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Thursday, September 16th, 2004
9:42 am
[anotheryourself]
ch. 5

i want to talk about "good" racism/stereotyping, like, in the quote:
"Racism works in convoluted ways. The employers who thought they were complimenting Black people by stating their preference for them over whites were arguing, in reality, that menial servants-- slaves to be frank-- were what Black people were destined to be. Another employer described her cook as '... very industrious and careful-- painstaking. She is a good, faithful creature, and very grateful.' Of course, the 'good' servant is always faithful, trustworthy and grateful. U. S. literature and the popular media in this country furnish numerous stereotypes of the Black woman as faithful, enduring servant... Thus the one woman interviewed by Eaton who did prefer white servants confessed that she actually employed Black people '... because they look more like servants.' The tautological definition of Black people as servants is indeed one of the essential props of racist ideology."



why is it still so common to think things like that are okay? to not even secondguess stereotypes in any form?
Wednesday, September 15th, 2004
4:33 pm
[anotheryourself]
i made a brief cursory blurb for the community, please tell me what you think?

also... interests?
11:23 am
[anotheryourself]
is anyone else reading or going to read???

chapter 3:

lots of references to white people's blindness on racism. any thoughts on that?

i like her tying in of capitalism as an oppresive system. thoughts on solving things by their symptoms rather than their roots?

chapter 4:

there's the line that stanton wrote, about her mistrust of the vote of black men, because "degraded, oppressed, himself, he would be still more despotic," which is surrounded by lots of racist claims, but as a worry, what do you think? do you think that once a certain oppressed group gains power, they are necessarily going to try and stomp other oppressed groups? is that a capitalist thing? is this relevent to the discussion or just something i'm mulling about? are you reading this? what do you think the root is, and do you think women were in equal danger of doing the same thing stanton was afraid black men would do?

oh, the franchise as panacea for all things.

"Frederick Douglass remains the foremost male proponent of women's emancipation of the entire nineteenth century." t or f. thoughts? why do you think he was, if t?
Tuesday, September 14th, 2004
8:45 am
[anotheryourself]
finished chapter 2:

i'm really interested in the whole, "we'll get to your oppression after we've finished fixing ours" thing, which i've seen happen in so many different types of situations.

then there's the way that white folks had such a hard time even recognizing black folks as people... and also men thinking of women as weaker human beings who needed to be protected by oppression. and so i'm wondering what it is in people that makes them want to oppress so badly-- fear... or what?

then there's the "heroism of white women" aspect of this chapter. after a chapter on black women's strength in slavery, it's disconcerting, though maybe it's just me. obviously, white women had more power in women's rights and also race issues, so they would have done more because of that, but it's still interesting that it's like, "black women were beaten and their lives sucked, but these white women were great!" maybe i'm just sketched out by any kind of saviour figure idea...
Monday, September 13th, 2004
11:51 am
[anotheryourself]
just finished the first chapter, and want to start posting, though i'm not absolutely sure what all to say.

things that interest me are:

if there are more comprehensive female slave histories than at the time this was written, and what people know about them.

the implications of white folks reading them.

sexual equality is presented as a yucky thing, because it's only referred to in terms of the slave experience, but then the very last line is about female slaves passing on a legacy of strength, which includes an insistence on sexual equality. so i'm wondering how those things work together and... yeah...



it's been a long time since i've critically analyzed a book, and i'm just now remembering how hard it was for me to think of discussion topics in college... but maybe someone has some thoughts about this stuff??
Saturday, September 4th, 2004
5:42 pm
[anotheryourself]
the people who responded to sprkid's post about if people were ready said they weren't. should we move it to next monday... the 13th?

(seattle's public libraries don't actually have it, and the bookstores i've checked don't either, so i'm getting it from powell's, and it's not due to arrive till after the 5th for me, too.)
Wednesday, September 1st, 2004
11:28 pm
[hobbledehoy]
so. are you all ready to start discussing women, race, and class in three days?
Wednesday, August 25th, 2004
1:43 pm
[anotheryourself]
no one said anything to my last post...

so unless anyone objects (and feel free to do so), this is my unofficial official announcement of women, race, and class by angela davis as our book for september, and we'll start discussion on september 5.
Tuesday, August 24th, 2004
6:15 pm
[anotheryourself]
well, everyone who voted voted for women, race, and class by angela davis. would anyone be viciously opposed to that book?

big apologies for taking so long to post about this. i was out of commission for a few days and my computer continues to be. i was thinking we could start discussing on sept. 5, to give people a little bit of time to find the book?
Thursday, August 19th, 2004
11:55 am
[anotheryourself]
some thoughts:

first, i'd like to get a book decided on by the end of the week so that people could scrounge it up in time for september.

second, sprkid and i have been talking about the gender/sex makeup of the group and wondering if it's a problem and how to "fix" it, if it is. i'm one of the only boys here (i actually may be the only one??), and i wasn't even born one, so... i'd personally like to have some more boys in the group for their sake and for the group as a whole. blah blah blah. any other (clearer) thoughts on this, or suggestions as to where to "advertise" the group? i don't know the race or class makeup of the community, or if that's something we want to address. i'm just used to mostly dialogues between white college-educated females, and i'd like to move away from that, if possible.

third, about the books-- maybe we should start with something other than a biography in order to have a "background" for discussing those books. i think i've changed my stance from "something easy first so people will read!!!" to "something with theory first so that people will have that to work with when/if we look at bios and novels." questions, comments, concerns??

in a comment someone joked that getting us all to decide on something might be like hearding cats into a bag, but the problem is that i'm the catherd and also one of the cats.
Wednesday, August 18th, 2004
3:34 pm
[anotheryourself]
Poll #337759 answer the questions using "i" to refer to yourself.

i would be excited to read:

zami: a new spelling of my name by audre lorde
0(0.0%)
women, race and class by angela davis
0(0.0%)
black, white and jewish: autobiography of a shifting self by rebecca walker
0(0.0%)
white women, race matters: the social construction of whiteness by ruth frankenberg
0(0.0%)
the isis papers by frances cress welsing
0(0.0%)

i would hate to read:

zami: a new spelling of my name by audre lorde
0(0.0%)
women, race and class by angela davis
0(0.0%)
black, white and jewish: autobiography of a shifting self by rebecca walker
0(0.0%)
white women, race matters: the social construction of whiteness by ruth frankenberg
0(0.0%)
the isis papers by frances cress welsing
0(0.0%)

wait! why didn't you mention...

Saturday, August 14th, 2004
1:02 am
[anotheryourself]
of the books i posted, what would people be really anti-reading?

also, someone suggested this and so i am making an executive decision and saying you should read it, 'cause i have and i think it's good, and maybe we could talk about it?

and also figure out a book. 16 days till sept.
Friday, August 13th, 2004
12:08 am
[anotheryourself]
what kinds of criteria do people want as far as books? now, and in general? should we start with "easy" reading? and then, what counts as easy reading?

should there be a vote at some time?

do other people want to post, or are the comments getting read by people?

... any ideas for me as to how to better facilitate this discussion? you may have gathered i have no idea what i'm doing. i just want to read and talk about some books.
Thursday, August 12th, 2004
12:39 pm
[anotheryourself]
books that have been suggested are:

zami: a new spelling of my name by audre lorde
women, race and class by angela davis
black, white and jewish: autobiography of a shifting self by rebecca walker
white women, race matters: the social construction of whiteness by ruth frankenberg
the isis papers by frances cress welsing



there's also been discussion of possibly not doing theory for awhile (in the first book suggestion post).

thoughts on these books??
Monday, August 9th, 2004
1:10 pm
[anotheryourself]

should we be thinking of a book for september?  anyone have any books they reallyreally want to read soon that they want to throw out??

Thursday, August 5th, 2004
7:22 pm
[anotheryourself]
let's list potential books to read and discuss!
6:55 pm
[anotheryourself]
so... let's get this community off the ground. except i'm going to be gone in a few days for a week, but i still want to get some discussion going, so maybe we can be getting ready for reading when i get back?

first i want to apologize for deciding that this was the name, but i really like it. there hasn't been any clear love of any of the other options that people have thrown out and i didn't want to stall any longer.

next, let's talk about what we want this community to be. i'd originally had the idea for polls, and maybe we'll go to something like that, but let's discuss some stuff before we take them to polls.

one thing i'm really unsure of is how we're going to pick out the books. i'd originally conceptualized this community as a way to read and dialogue about the books that were suggested at the race in the zine community workshop at last year's portland zine symposium. i'd read a few, but still felt very much like i was living in a vaccuum as far as discussing the ideas brought up in the books. but i shouldn't just leave it to those. i think i'll do a separate post in a moment of book suggestions, but this post is more of a "how do we run the community" kind of thing. how will we decide the book for each month?

which brings us to the second thing: will it be a book a month group? will the books be divided in any way? i got out of college a year ago, and so i miss some of that structure, so a lot of my vision for the group is affected by that. one way that i was thinking was we could do a book a month, divide it up into sections so that every few days we could focus on a section. this way, we would stretch out the reading for a whole month so that slower readers or busier people wouldn't fall behind. at the same time, if a person did fall behind, ze could conceivably at some point catch up to a section at some point? (and of course discussion on a section shouldn't have to be closed once we're past it on the timeline) also, many books i've been looking at are collections of essays, so discussing them as a whole could potentially lead to problems. then-- do we want to have discussion/section leaders or should we "expect" people to contribute a certain amount for each section or month? i'd love to see everyone contributing, but the idea of force, especially in something as fluid as livejournal, seems icky. but yeah... i want to see lots of questions and thoughts flying about these books (i want everyone to think of it as their own (open) reading journal).

the third thing is the question of who we want to open the group to/encourage to join. i don't want to discourage people of color from joining, but i don't want to poke my nose into lj-poc-communities and tell them they should join. i'd like it to be more than an airing of white guilt, though.

what other guidelines do we want? what do we want to post on the info page?

so... tell me things.
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