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"Otis" Discussion 
30th-Aug-2006 01:28 pm
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A few things about the "Otis" episode. First, let me begin by saying I loved the episode and thought it was great, but some things stuck out.

1. Bellick would have had union representation at the DOC meeting, if he so requested and he seems like a union man to me. He could not be fired just like that. There's a process. The union could appeal the decision and go to arbitration. This would take months. The DOC could put Bellick on leave without pay. I'm not saying the arbitrator would rule in Bellick's favor. I'm just saying that it wouldn't be over like that.

2. Aren't phone calls between attorney and client privileged? What if an inmate told his attorney where the body was buried and the police had recorded the call and found the body based on that converse and then used the found evidence against the inmate? I don't think that's kosher.

3. Bellick and his mother remind me of Norman Bates and "Psycho."

4. I was hoping Bellick would off himself.

5. Doesn't Pope know that if their situations were reversed, Bellick would not have quit? Plus, selling PI was just the tip of the iceberg on what Bellick was doing in FR.

6. I hope Pope had a backup anniversary present.

7. I so wanted Michael and Lincoln to get LJ. I think they should have knocked Mahone out. They should have had mace or something to temporarilty incapacitate him. And for M&L to say that LJ would be escorted by an unarmed person--maybe in Illinois, but not anywhere else that I know off. I know in my county, inmates are escorted to court by armed sheriff's deputies.

8. Lincoln would not have been told when and how LJ would be transported to a court hearing. Even the inmates don't know. I mean, an inmate knows if h/she has a court date, but they will not know exactly when the deputies will pick him/her up. It's called security, for the deputies and inmates.

What are your thoughts?

Comments 
30th-Aug-2006 05:59 pm (UTC)
7. I so wanted Michael and Lincoln to get LJ. I think they should have knocked Mahone out. They should have had mace or something to temporarilty incapacitate him. And for M&L to say that LJ would be escorted by an unarmed person--maybe in Illinois, but not anywhere else that I know off. I know in my county, inmates are escorted to court by armed sheriff's deputies.

In my state too. But lately the inmates have been able to overpower them and go on rampages! Anyhoo, I also really wanted them to get LJ. I thought Michael should have shot tried to shoot Mahone, or knock him out or something! It really frustated me to see them have to give LJ up that way.

Doesn't Pope know that if their situations were reversed, Bellick would not have quit? Plus, selling PI was just the tip of the iceberg on what Bellick was doing in FR

I think Pope was just trying to be a stand up guy. He obviously doesn't realize all the shi* his CO's are in to and doesn't have any idea what Bellick is capable off. ITA, that Bellick would not have done the same for him.
30th-Aug-2006 06:09 pm (UTC)
I guess they don't want to commit any heavy duty crimes, like shooting an FBI agent. Michael didn't even want to shoplift.

I am glad that LJ got a little something in at Mahone though. And that ride to Arizona is not going to be fun. Driving it in a personal car would be long, but LJ is going to be in a transport van, with handcuffs and shackles. Hopefully it has a/c. At night he may be booked into local jails.

30th-Aug-2006 06:01 pm (UTC)
I hope Pope had a backup anniversary present.

hahhaah i was thinking the same thing..
30th-Aug-2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
Or maybe he's going to bag up all the sticks and give it to her saying, "This was the Taj."
30th-Aug-2006 07:07 pm (UTC)
2. Aren't phone calls between attorney and client privileged?

As far as I know, yes. I never even thought of that - good thinking.
30th-Aug-2006 07:21 pm (UTC)
And why isn't Mahone bothered by the fact that LJ's lawyer was murdered? Obviously LJ didn't do it. Doesn't he think it's strange that all these people are suddenly dying around LJ and Lincoln?

I hope LJ is able to get a good lawyer. I'll be his guardian and hook him up with a good lawyer. His mother, stepfather, Nick and Veronica are dead. His father and uncle are fugitives. He's got no one. His grandfather should surface or at least hire a lawyer. It's his fault LJ's in this mess!!!

So did LJ ever have his hearing? Was his crime moved up to adult court? It probably was. 16-year-old murder suspects are usually tried as adults.
30th-Aug-2006 07:32 pm (UTC)
I have no idea! You would think that Mahone would take a moment to think about that, and how convenient it is that people around him are dropping like flies.

See that's what I'm confused about - LJ was going to the courthouse to have a hearing, they tried to get him out, and then suddenly he was being put in a van on his way to Arizona. Which makes no sense :\
30th-Aug-2006 07:53 pm (UTC)
Why is he going to Arizona? Does Illinois not have any jails? The way it works where I live is that if you're held without bond or haven't met bond, you stay in a county jail (the county of where the crime occured) until after you're sentenced. You have to get at least a year and a day and be sentenced to state DOC, otherwise you stay at the county jail to complete your sentence. (I used to work in Records Office at the county jail.) It's going to be very expensive to transport LJ to another state, especially one so far away. And how is he going to make his court dates? Or is he going to go to court in Arizona? And what about his lawyer in Illinois? LJ going to Arizona makes no sense at all. This isn't a federal crime, which might precipitate an inmate being transferred to another state, but that doesn't usually happen until after they're sentenced.
30th-Aug-2006 09:04 pm (UTC)
And I think you should add #9: How would Mahone know Lincoln's voice? That could have been anyone. He never said anything that would imply he was his father. That has bothered me for three weeks now, but I didn't have anyone to talk about it with!

I will be back to further discuss the matter. Right now I've got to go to dinner with my mum. :o)
30th-Aug-2006 10:30 pm (UTC)
Okay. Where is everyone?
30th-Aug-2006 10:51 pm (UTC)
I'm here! :)

Did your bf watch the episodes with you?

I think maybe Mahone was taking a shot that the voice was Linc or Mike or someone connected with the escape. Who else would be calling LJ? But still, a call from one's attorney should not be taped!!!!
1st-Sep-2006 12:22 am (UTC)
2. they were able to record lj and linc's phone conversation because they already knew the person calling lj couldn't have been nick because they knew nick was dead. they're aloud to tape lj's conversation with a random caller especially when its likely that his father would call.
1st-Sep-2006 12:26 am (UTC)
But when did they find out Nick was dead. The police found Nick an hour before the phonecall, but did Mahone know Nick was dead then and bugged the phones on the off chance Linc would call. Or were the phones already bugged and someone said, "Nick Savrinn called LJ 1500." And someone else said, "Hey, I read a police report that Nick Savrinn was found dead at 1400." Either way it's a little suspscious. And wouldn't they have to get a court order to bug the phones?
1st-Sep-2006 12:33 am (UTC)
i dunno if mahone would need a court order to bug the phones, but since when does something being illegal stop official from doing something in this show? i think mahone was probably notified about nick's death immediately. anything having to do with anyone in the borrows/scofield (what's lj's last name?) is relevant. mahone's pretty smart and he's determined to be one step ahead of michael so i wouldn't be surprised if he tapped the phone just in case one of them called lj. who else would call him if nick's dead?
1st-Sep-2006 12:53 am (UTC)
LJ's last name is Burrows, like his father's.

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