katy ([info]ceruleanswirl) wrote in [info]x_grrrls,
@ 2005-10-23 17:17:00
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this is for [info]cutie_pie_kels who doesn't want to hear the truth. (i decided to cross post this as well.)

straight edge is not your mother. it's not always waiting there for you with open arms when you want to come back. straight edge is not forgiving. it is not for the weak. it is not for the uninformed, the ignorant, or those who are simply bored with everything else. straight edge is NOT to be confused with simply clean or sober.

straight edge is a one time pledge that lasts for life. it's a a commitment, and that means FOREVER. the whole point of modern day, what-we-know-to-be straight edge is STRENGTH. it means deciding that drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and fucking around are simply NOT for you, and STICKING TO THAT, forever. if you've claimed once before, and succumbed to the weak bullshit that you ONCE claimed to be so against, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME BACK. PROPS if you decide to go clean, be sober, wise up, whatever, but straight edge does not allow for second chances. if it did, the entire concept as we know it would go completely out the window. STRAIGHT EDGE WOULD NO LONGER BE. CLEAN would be left. SOBER would be left. INTELLIGENT, perhaps, would be left, but straight edge.. would no longer exist.

i don't know about the rest of you, but i am sick and fucking tired of all of you new kids coming into the scene with no real understanding of what straight edge actually means. OUR COMMUNITY, OUR MORALS, OUR IDEALS AND OUR SCENE; ALL OF THOSE THINGS ARE BEING MOCKED ON A DAILY BASIS.

straight edge is not a security blanket. it's not for you fucking kids trying to find yourselves. those of us who know straight edge take it pretty seriously. if YOU'RE serious, i say you're welcome to inform yourself of what it means to take all of this on, but if you're not, then please, spare us the bullshit, and go home.


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I'm on a half way thing
[info]counterfeit_x
2005-10-23 09:54 pm UTC (link)
Yes I've tried weed and drank. I was 12 and stupid i never got drunk or high. I just tried them to see how it was and i hated it. As soo as i found straightedge i decided to be straightedge. I dont see a problem with that. I just had my 15th birthday and Ive stayed clean. I havent met this so called Crowed of Straightedge kids brining down the scene the way i see it is let them be and think what they want they are kids some will stick with it being the strong some will fail and fall into a life of shit but i dont think trying a way of life is mocking that way of life.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-23 10:12 pm UTC (link)
i find it really difficult to read a gigantic run on sentence such as that one.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-23 10:16 pm UTC (link)
p.s.- i'm not completely certain what your point was supposed to be. not trying to be an ass here; i just plain can't find your point.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]counterfeit_x
2005-10-23 11:01 pm UTC (link)
My point is they arent mocking you. They are just trying different things its normal. Get over it.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 04:51 am UTC (link)
it's an indirect form of mockery. perhaps you do not understand what i mean.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]spiggyo
2005-10-25 01:29 am UTC (link)
let them be and think what they want they are kids some will stick with it being the strong some will fail and fall into a life of shit but i dont think trying a way of life is mocking that way of life.

i think the point is pretty clear.

what i dont understand is *your* point. youve already made your opinions pretty clear to everyone in this community, why do you need to repost a longer and more inflamed explanation? you are entitled to your opinion, but if youre looking for people to back you up, i think what youll find here is that we support each other, rather than outcasting people arbitrarily based on some mythical 'rules'...

you do make some interesting points, but the way you express them makes it pointless to debate with you.

i also dont understand why you are still in this community, when clearly we fail to meet your standards.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-25 02:55 am UTC (link)
i've been a part of this community for years. it's habitual.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]pajanada
2005-10-27 05:54 pm UTC (link)
Cerulean, I hate to break it to you but you lost edge long age for your screamingly obnoxious trolling.

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Re: I'm on a half way thing
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-11-03 01:02 am UTC (link)
i lost edge long age? whaat?

i don't troll. i converse, and these happen to be boards, so it takes up a lot of space to have a decent conversation or debate.

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[info]dorkybex
2005-10-23 10:08 pm UTC (link)
what about the kids who are not even legal to drink the in the U S of A is it edge or just obeying the law? those are the kids i am sick of. oh wait..

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-23 10:13 pm UTC (link)
legality is nothing. in fact, statistics prove that kids who are UNDER the legal drinking age drink more often than those who are OF legal age.

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[info]dorkybex
2005-10-23 10:16 pm UTC (link)
yeah but are you just to worried you might get caught and break the "law" or are you actually edge?

and statistics can prove what ever you want them to prove. so dont show me statistics they lie.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-23 10:30 pm UTC (link)
if statistics lie, then how about my personal experience? how about the part where i just asked 9 people on my aim buddy list and 8 of them agreed with me.

i don't care about breaking the law. tell that shit to someone who HASN'T been in jail two times.

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[info]dorkybex
2005-10-23 10:51 pm UTC (link)

WOAH!!! your aim list. no. way. Those statistics have to be true. i mean if your friends on your aim list. Sorry I've been so wrong.

oh wait.

IF i were to go to a University and ask how many people drink underage and then to a Seniors home filled with Mormons. Chances are that yes the statistics will prove that underage kids drink more.

IF on your list... you have 8 underage edge kids. and one kids over the drinking age that drinks often. then YES! your statistics prove that... but just because these kids agree with you means nothing? what do they know. where do they get their numbers? Why do they agree with you... because they are underage and edge their opinions are bias. Also don't tell me that it was a 50% split down the middle cause i dont care. i am just proving to you that statistics lie.

so yes statistics can prove whatever you want them to prove.

I agree there are a lot of people just jumping in and out of the edge scene and back into it. but who cares. is long as it means something to you the others shouldn't care. just chill out.

and wow i am so impressed you've been to jail twice. I still think that for the most part kids who are underage are just obeying the law. You can't even obey simple laws of your state who says you are going to obey the rules to edge (which you've have so kindly wrote for us in the above post.)?

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 04:53 am UTC (link)
you're just trying too hard now, aren't you?

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[info]dorkybex
2005-10-25 03:29 am UTC (link)
See my experiences have been and these are not statistic's for the record.

I've seen a lot of kids underage to immature to even know what they are getting into when they claim edge. Especially the ones who haven't tried anything. Then one day curiously kills the cat for the lack of a better expression. They realize their mistake and realize that its a life they don't want to lead and these are the kids that are still edge after the age of 22 and they get to college and see all the pier's drinking/getting stoned and what not, knowing as a fact thats not the life they want to live. I am not saying that people can't claim edge and stand strong their whole lives with out touching anything. I am just saying that some people actually need to experience it know its not for them. However i do not agree with people claiming edge for a month, drinking, claiming edge, repeat over and over. I just think that some people need a little bit more to reason then a hunch they don't like that life style.



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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-25 01:13 pm UTC (link)
because of course since i haven't been to college yet (even though i am not going, anyway) i haven't had smoke blown into my face countless times and beer and other alcohol offered to me nearly every weekend for the last who knows how long.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-25 01:14 pm UTC (link)
i don't need to be in school to be exposed to that shit. i live on my own. with three roommates (who are all underage, mind you)... and my house is full of beer bottles every weekend.

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[info]dorkybex
2005-10-25 02:01 pm UTC (link)
no one said you didn't have beer offered to you or smoke blown in your face. I said thats my personal experience from what i've seen from kids who are to young/immature to make a decision.

This girl is 15 and your are barking these "edge rules at her" like your some sort of edge captAin. Why don't you just chill out and be nice to people explain what straight edge is to you and you dont agree with her decision and don't get so pissed off about it. When you get so angry about it, it gives the rest of us a bad name and rep. A lot of news press has already given edge kids the "gang" label and call us violent. I am sure someone has mentioned this before. but this site is suppose to be informative not negative.


anywho i only started arguing with you because i was bored and well i have work to do.

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[info]screechingj
2005-10-23 11:02 pm UTC (link)
i love how you act as though straight edge is some elite club [and you're the president].

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[info]isavedspanishx
2005-10-24 01:06 am UTC (link)
I'm straight edge, and I think that what you said is bullshit.

Look at you talking about edge as if it's some elitest club that only the few, the proud, can be in. We're not the fucking ARMY. In fact, I don't even believe that it should be referred to as "WE". We means that you're in a club and doing it for other people. Possibly for fear that if you do sell out that you'll get beat up or shunned because of people like you.

What happened to straight edge being a commitment to YOURSELF. To be drug free, pure, but not displaying it to the world because you know inside who and what the fuck you are.

What happened to straight edge being a positive thing? Promoting people being drug free, being happy for people who have decided to change their ways?

My mistake. I guess I'm in the wrong "CLUB". Cause I'm in this for myself. No fucking bands or edge shirts prove shit unless your attitude reflects what you believe.

I don't know about everyone else, but I'm sick of the fucking elitest edgers who create the cults and "run" the shows, making it miserable for anyone else who doesn't necessarily share the same views on how to live their own lives.

Grow the up fuck up.

As for Cutie Pie Kels, I don't know if returning to straight edge just because you had an epiphany one day is such a good idea. There's no need to broadcast your decision to "return back to edge", it's not that "COOL"? Why don't you just be drug free silently? Pass on things when people ask you without even sharing that you're edge? You don't need what has turned into a club to back up your personal decisions. People here obviously don't respect you more just because you told them that you want to be edge again. How do you think people in real life will react? Re-think that.

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[info]jendotcom
2005-10-24 01:43 am UTC (link)
well said to the first part. i do understand that there is a community of kids who are straight edge and that there is some solidarity in that. however, straight edge is not the fucking high school cheerleading squad where you have to audition and be approved by everyone else to get in, to see if you're cool enough to join. the point of the community aspect is to commune with like-minded individuals, not pit yourself against them in a battle of who knows (or thinks they know) the most about straight edge.

i know it can be frustrating when people seem to not completely undertstand something that is dearly important to you, but you need to keep in mind that they still deserve respect and that you are not better than them. by that, i mean that you can of course rationally argue and disagree with people, but there is no need to be a downright unwelcoming asshole, discouraging people from becoming straight edge because of your attitude.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 04:56 am UTC (link)
i don't want to discourage people from being straight edge. i want to discourge people from taking it lightly. i also want to discourage ignorant people who don't care to take the time to understand straight edge from becoming straight edge.

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[info]cutie_pie_kels
2005-10-24 06:12 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree with you.....

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 12:41 pm UTC (link)
if there is no "we", then what are these straight edge communities?

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[info]isavedspanishx
2005-10-24 06:40 pm UTC (link)
A place for support and questions from all people.
A learning experience if you will.
You don't necessarily have to be edge to post in here.

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[info]spiggyo
2005-10-25 01:40 am UTC (link)
i agree this should be a place of support.

but earlier you seemed to have a negative attitute towards cutie pie kels 'broadcasting' about her choice to be edge. i hardly think posting your decision in a community specifically focused on straightedge counts as broadcasting. maybe she *is* drug free silently, and just wanted some people to back her up, to not necessarily TELL her she made the right choice, but support her enough to KNOW that she did. i dont think that is what we are doing right now.

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[info]cutie_pie_kels
2005-10-24 06:10 pm UTC (link)
I agree with you!!! This community is making out that once you have been down the wrong road you can't ever be edge again. ( so not true). I wanna be true to myself and be clean and I wanted to share it with other members of this community thinking there would be some people saying " go girl" ( korny but that all I could think off). I guess I was wrong.

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thanks katy
[info]kreenut
2005-10-24 04:01 am UTC (link)
i think this post is for many people in this community who don't want to hear the truth. i don't know how/why you are getting crap for this entry and your comments on the last post in question. you are absolutely right (and very nicely written).

i've been thinking of leaving the community for awhile now, i think this post (and the prior) have solidified the desicion. sxe grown-ups perhaps for this grrrl. 'i'm getting too old for this crap'.

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Re: thanks katy
[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 04:55 am UTC (link)
the sxe_grownups community is a good place. not very active, though.

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[info]cutie_pie_kels
2005-10-24 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Look this seems to be all my fault here. Well I wanna do this for myself, I've seen my mom turn into an alcoholic and its heartbreaking, I'm only 15 I pretend to be asleep when she comes in drunk. The drinking age in ireland is 18 but my mom lets me drink, but I don't want to, it ruins everything. as for drugs I have watched my friends just waste there life, I remember how happy they where before they got into all that, they think there happy now but they aren't. I'm not trying to mock you and I'm sorry if it comes off like I am, but I also don't see how you can tell me if I can be Straight edge or not, correct me if I'm wrong but there is no rules. You don't join straight edge you become straight edge and thats exactly what I'm doing.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 11:14 pm UTC (link)
there ARE rules.

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[info]counterfeit_x
2005-10-24 09:54 pm UTC (link)
I Agree with you 150%

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[info]dear_endeavor
2005-11-09 12:58 am UTC (link)
i think it's lame you made a post bashing some 15 year old kid on the internet.

yea, re-claiming edge and selling out is pathedic. especially when you watch all these newly found proud kids comming back. but some people can deserve secound chances sometimes. i am not supporting what she did, or saying it's okay.

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[info]_staygold_kid
2005-11-22 02:36 am UTC (link)
You're probably 20 but you still need to grow up.

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