Tracey ([info]traceace) wrote in [info]wow_ladies,
@ 2008-05-13 16:23:00
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Bleck.
So non-fun things happened today in WoW.


A warrior guildie asked to do the heroic for the day, and I offered to come along, because ramps can't be too hard, right?

Yeah, wrong.

He turns out to not be such a great tank, which I could forgive because whatever, you know? Some people don't know they're not prepared. It gets bad only when our (female toon) healer drops because we died on the second pull because the pug hunter pulled the pats. He starts LOLing in party chat about how she clearly is PMSing and we were better off without her because she'd probably keep crying about things being unfair.

I said nothing - despite how rude it was, and how I knew he knew I was a girl too. Not because I wasn't offended, but because I really did not feel like starting things. I try to be as drama-free as possible, and had figured if he did it again I'd speak to my GM about it. Still, I eyetwitched to my fellow guildmate and party member in a private about it, and without me asking him to he called him out about it and promptly shut the kid up.

So we get another healer, and we wipe again, because he dies. I announce if we die again or have any more interruptions (as we spent a good bulk of time with people leaving or unannounced afks) I was going to get going, since I didn't feel like paying for a high armor repair build. Sure enough, we die, and then the hunter leaves with barely any warning. My friend goes, and I go after him, because there's no way I'm sticking around just for the warrior.

Then the fun starts!

My guildmate had signed off under his rogue, and warrior started to badmouth both me and him as bad guildies for leaving. Around the time he starts insulting the rogue, he's on under his warrior who is also in the guild. He hears him making fun of him and it promptly starts a nice big fight in gchat. I try to stay out of it as much as I can, only confirming anything my friend was saying and trying to cool him down in private messages, but it's when he casually brushes off the fact he insulted females when my friend called him out on it again in gchat that really got me going. I as well as another member told him he can't be so casual about insulting people because of their genders, especially when we're pugging with other guilds, since it makes our guild look bad. He pretty much says 'idc'. Great attitude, right?

Luckily, an officer was on and saw the whole thing. Apparently this warrior has been spoken to before, and she promptly told him to learn to watch his mouth and guild kicked him. He apparently told her he'd be talking to the GM about this and I told the officer I had screenshots of him brushing off the fact he had been an ass about the gender stuff.

I hate bringing stuff like this into gchat. I really do. I actually apologized to the officer for keeping it going and not bringing it into a more private setting, but there was no way in hell I was going to let him keep insulting my friend for calling him out on his actions when he was the one who started the whole gchat thing in the first place.

I kinda love my friend a little more now, though, that's for sure. XD


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[info]egnirysdetcejni
2008-05-13 09:00 pm UTC (link)
Eh, things like that you can't avoid in gchat. Especially if someone else started it. I think you were in the right for sticking up for your friend, though.

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[info]zelasmetallium
2008-05-13 09:07 pm UTC (link)
One thing I like about my guild is that our guild master's wife is also in it and plays a LOT so everyone knows that they have to be respectful of women. :)

That is a pain, sexism in WoW is actually really interesting. I have a friend who rolled a female Belf and masqueraded as a female in-game, while simultaneously playing a male Belf, same class and everything, and the treatment he got between the two was staggeringly different. A lot of people were VERY nice to him as a female if he asked for a run or something but would tell his male character to leave them alone. On the reverse, though, he would dualbox sometimes and would get whispers on his male toon "Hey, let's kick the girl bro." and stuff if he PUGed. It was actually really interesting.

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[info]traceace
2008-05-13 09:26 pm UTC (link)
The co-GM of our guild is female. If she had been on, she probably would have destroyed him. >_> Hell, the MALE GM would have kicked some ass, and I already know he'll be pissed once he hears about this.

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[info]dolendae
2008-05-14 12:00 am UTC (link)
Ditto about feeling extraordinarily lucky to have found a guild that doesn't tolerate that sexist stuff. Our GM is female, our co-raid leader is female (her fiance is the other raid leader), half the officers are female and about a quarter of the remaining members are female. Sometimes the guys tease the girls in raid for being more dirty than them. ;)

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[info]blue_scarab
2008-05-13 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Ugh. Go go officer, though.

I am somehow reminded of something I saw while browsing guild recruitment notices on the forums earlier today. A newer guild on my server has a huge set of posts on their forums about being serious about applying for one of their raiding spots, to really think about how you are coming across, to take the time to write out full-sentence replies. At the end of their 'sample application', written by their GM, is the question, "Anything you would like to add?" His sample reply? "friends dont let freinds (sic) hump fat chicks".

WTF.

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[info]mandrake1981
2008-05-13 09:23 pm UTC (link)
My guildies are very respectful of women. Not because we are girls and that we could be PMSing and thus they have to walk on eggshells, no. Genuine respect.

Even better, often my priest friend and I get whispers about food buff and potions, people not ready asking for us to lent/give/sell them some. I don't mind giving stuff I don't need away, don't get me wrong. But I farm for my stuff and I don't have days to farm talbuk meat..

So the GM told us to mention whenever someone would smooch stuff from us and they'd get EP-.. he doesn't like people to take advantage of Uisge and I and the fact that we are very, very, very generous.

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[info]traceace
2008-05-13 09:25 pm UTC (link)
Oh, my guild is too. Which is pretty much why everyone jumped down his throat when they heard about what he did. My GM is going to LOL at him if he genuinely thinks he's going to stand up for him for doing that BS.

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[info]rachelsummers77
2008-05-13 10:04 pm UTC (link)
You, your guildmate/friend and the officer are to be commended for not putting up with such nonsense.

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[info]jazberry
2008-05-13 10:18 pm UTC (link)
Ah what a jerk! I am glad your officers and GM seem to be so down to earth and kickass. I hope they squish him so hard he never treats another woman(or human for that matter) with such disrespect ever again.

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[info]letiwolf
2008-05-14 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Eww, drama.

I'm glad your guild doesn't tolerate that kind of shit, though. That is a plus from the situation.

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