Dragonwolf Dreamwalker ([info]sydneyrodriguez) wrote in [info]wow_ladies,
@ 2007-08-13 15:18:00
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Things I Learned from Video Games
I got to thinking about the topic about a week ago and found it interesting the things I actually learned or learned practical applications for. So, without further adieu...

Things I Learned From Video Games (in no particular order)


  1. Vocabulary. I know, I know, it's a video game, it can't possibly be a good place to learn new words, but it has, really. Where else do you hear the term mitigate? That was actually a word I was surprised to find outside the gaming world. In my Information Security class, no less, where some people were actually confused about what it meant (which is how this list got started in the first place).

  2. Diplomacy. Anything that forces you to deal with people in general in a more than primitive manner is going to teach you the finer points of diplomacy and negotiating. Give those general people a sense of anonymity and/or a perceived leadership role and you open up a whole new can of worms.

  3. Leadership. Nothing like motivating a couple dozen people to work together to accomplish a task, let alone doing it without conventional forms of communication, such as paper or whiteboards, or face-to-face meetings, for that matter. Hats off to those people that are able to successfully take a group of 5, 10, 20, or even 40 people and lead them to successfully complete a given task.

  4. The value of a savings account. This may seem somewhat absurd simply in the fact that pretty much everyone has had a real savings account at least at one point in time or another. It's interesting, though, if you have a savings account that you never withdraw from and try not to look at the balance of, you generally find yourself more able to save and reach a goal (or at least I do, anyway). My bank alt is the reason I'm so close to the goal in my game.

  5. Math. This one's not quite as obvious unless you delve into the theorycrafting threads in the forums, where the most minute details are explained in the kind of depth that puts a college calculus class to shame. It's here that I finally understood why programming is considered so math-heavy. Until that time, my knowledge of programming required more problem-solving skills than math skills. Take a look at what many people are capable of. I bet if you actually combined all the information in the forums regarding the math behind a given game, you would probably have it practically reverse-engineered right there.

  6. Problem-solving. How can you not have at least basic problem-solving skills after completing an endless number of quests and leading groups of strangers into dungeons you've never set foot into? Get into the details about the class/character you play, and you'll probably find yourself looking for ways to better that character. Then there's always the matter of getting your schedule worked around so you can raid and finally get that last piece of armor out of a given dungeon.

  7. Economics. What? Economics? What planet are you from? If you think about it, though, it's not much of a stretch. Any game where people interact and are allowed to barter or sell items to others (especially if given an organized system) allows for an economic system to grow. Not only can you learn Economics on a practical level, but you can see the effects of supply and demand and cyclical events on item prices at a much faster rate and on a much smaller scale than what you can achieve in the real world while still keeping the variables of the human factor. You can also study the phenomenon of varying Economies when everything but the people (and the state of the people) involved are identical.



x-posted to my own journal


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[info]ryumaxwell
2007-08-13 07:27 pm UTC (link)
This is all true. O.o

...most of it, I never really thought about. At least, not the economics, vocabulary, leadership, problem solving and diplomacy bits of it. I avoid theorycrafting like the plague because...well...I never took higher level math. So they start spouting math equasions and I go "oh god, just tell me what it means in ENGLISH" and cry.

Funny thing is, it doesn't teach manners. At least, not very well.

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[info]stickangel
2007-08-13 07:41 pm UTC (link)
Economics kicked my ass when botters started farming my cash cow in Nagrand then put it up at 1/3 of the previous going rate with no buy out.

The bots in question (I'm guessing were probably run by the same asshat) have been gone for a few weeks now and the prices are still not at what they should be.

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[info]ryumaxwell
2007-08-13 07:43 pm UTC (link)
I should really track them more than I do...I've noticed an impact though in the gem market (I was undercutting by like...3%, and now to keep doing so, I have to drop prices further).

It is rather amazing to watch the prices of things on the AH. And then compare them to what a website like...wowhead, or allakhazam have listed as the 'average' price.

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[info]kadaria
2007-08-13 08:20 pm UTC (link)
I wish it would teach manners. I'm more inclined to help someone who asks politly for help rather than noobs who run up and go "Can I have gold?"

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[info]sydneyrodriguez
2007-08-13 11:07 pm UTC (link)
I had some level 10 send me a tell like "1 gold me, thanks!". I'm just like, no /ignore.

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[info]attacking
2007-08-13 07:29 pm UTC (link)
this is a great list. i've personally learned mostly how to work on my diplomacy and tact skills when dealing with idiots or a group of total strangers. i've also learned how enjoyable it is to do things that i never thought i would enjoy or be good at - put together an instance run, tank said instance run, try PVP, and manage a guild.

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[info]meruru4
2007-08-13 07:37 pm UTC (link)
On the subject of vocabulary, I was surprised to find out innervate is a real word meaning: 1) To supply (an organ or a body part) with nerves. 2) To stimulate (a nerve, muscle, or body part) to action. How very strange.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2007-08-13 07:46 pm UTC (link)
So many people have pronounced it 'in-ven-erate' that it makes me weep.

You actually learn a lot of neat words from roleplaying too. Fun fact, Enervate is a spell. It means basically the opposite of innervate.

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[info]abazoe
2007-08-13 08:24 pm UTC (link)
Haha, until you typed that I honestly did pronounce it invenerate. I had to go back and read how it's actually spelled to figured out the correct pronunciation. D'Oh!

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[info]ninjita
2007-08-13 07:50 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I saw the word eviscerate used in a non-WoW context and it was kind of strange since to me that word just means "painful rogue attack."

(Eviscerate: to remove the entrails from; disembowel.)

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[info]soapygirl
2007-08-13 07:47 pm UTC (link)
One thing I learned is navigation. I used to be terrible with directions and driving places but somehow learning how to get around Azeroth and Outlands has made me better at finding my way around the big city where I live.

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[info]ryumaxwell
2007-08-13 08:49 pm UTC (link)
Hah! Me too! At least when it comes to reading a map. I can find my way around with a map now.

So long as I'm going the right way to start.

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[info]fierydream
2007-08-13 11:37 pm UTC (link)
^ Hear, hear! I used to have a horrible sense of direction and lousy map-reading skills, but now - hand me a map and I can make my way around an unfamiliar city. :D

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[info]kadaria
2007-08-13 08:18 pm UTC (link)
8) How to improve my reflexes.
I was born by c-section and was not rubbed down after delivery. As a result, when I was a kid my coordination and reflexes were always a little off. To help this my parents enrolled me in a bunch of different sports and allowed me to play video games (most of those games were educational anyway). In college when I was in a fitness class with my roomie we had to do a reflex test as part of our overall fitness. We both had some of the highest scores in our class and we both play a multitude of video games.
While I think the sports I play have something to do with this, I think my hand eye coordination has improved greatly thanks to games like WoW. I play a healing class so I have to react quickly based on the little green bars and hit the right keys to get the desired effect.

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[info]ayashi
2007-08-13 10:02 pm UTC (link)
My twin sister also had bad hand-eye coordination :) We both were born by C-section but I think the core of the problem was her medical issues at the time. She hasn't had any tests on it, but the doctors applauded her playing of video games since we were really little, saying it would help :)

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[info]almare
2007-08-13 11:30 pm UTC (link)
Out of curiousity, what does a c-section have to do with reflexes? o.o I've never heard this before...

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[info]kadaria
2007-08-14 03:26 am UTC (link)
Apprently the connection lies in how much stimulation you get on your way out. Naturally you recieve a lot of stimulation via your mom but c-sections miss that. Now it's common to rub a c-section down after birth.
I'm not sure what the exact connection was but that was what we were told. I also had no other medical problems at that time.

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[info]rollergirl
2007-08-13 08:30 pm UTC (link)
It's kind of sad but very true.

Assuming you actually see the world outside of Azeroth, you can actually learn a lot that'll help you in work/&c.

WOW IS WEIRD.

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[info]fayoreix2
2007-08-13 08:38 pm UTC (link)
Great list!

I still stink at math, but other than that a lot of this is true for me as well.:D

I've become more comfortable with dealing with random people in real life from MMORPGs, and I've certainly learned my fair share of tolerance from them as well. Ever since Runescape.:D

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[info]minx_alibis
2007-08-13 09:06 pm UTC (link)
That list is very true. People look at MMOs, like WoW and go "it's just a computer game". It may be but it does so much more than that.
One of the things playing MMOs has helped me with was typing. I only type with my two middle fingers and sometimes thumbs, but can now type 40 WPM. :)

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[info]vitainpalus
2007-08-13 09:15 pm UTC (link)
You should xpost this to [info]worldofwarcraft. I agree on all those points, and at least in an odd way, it can teach kids to "manage money" right? :)

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[info]teniblue
2007-08-13 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Math

The saddest part about all this is that a lot of kids are too busy to learn math in school. Math overall in U.S. schools sucks donkey balls, and we are getting our asses handed to us by college grads from countries like India and Chinese because of THIS. In Japan, kids in grade are learning what they cover in high school here. And people wonder why we can't find enough good American-born coders. /sadness. [PS: I work for a large software company.]

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[info]teniblue
2007-08-13 10:39 pm UTC (link)
"Kids in grade school."

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[info]sydneyrodriguez
2007-08-13 11:16 pm UTC (link)
I think a lot of it has to do with a) the more "liberal" upbringing (most people here are deathly afraid of spanking their child, vs people in other countries who aren't afraid to whittle a reed switch down to an inch on the kid's hide) and b) the way math is being taught vs what interests the children.

The way math is taught in the US sucks. To put it simply, it's a very dry subject to anyone that's not completely fascinated by numbers, especially when the numbers are all that's taught, instead of the practical applications that actually grab the student's attention. Like I said, check out the WoW forums and you'd find some people that are really good at math and problem-solving. I found a Gargoyles fandom thread that was discussing how it would be scientifically possible for a Gargoyle to stay aloft. It was like walking into college A&P, Physics, and Biology classes.

Now, if only our public school systems were able to spark interests like that.

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[info]12_drakon
2007-08-14 03:39 am UTC (link)
There are some very strong cultural reasons, too. Life in poorer countries requires certain fluency with "everyday math" or "street math". Growing up in Eastern Europe, for example, kids would go shopping since the age of five or six. There would usually be a sizable line, and every shopper would have to check prices and change quickly; shop workers tried to cheat a lot, and slow calculations would not be tolerated by others waiting in line ^_^

There are also certain ideas of what's acceptable in a society. It's considered OK even for an otherwise educated and well-bred American to say "I don't do math" or "I am horrible with math." In some places of the world, it would be about as well received as a strong smell of sweat is in the US >_> Or, say, as somebody confessing of not being able to read.

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[info]fierydream
2007-08-13 11:40 pm UTC (link)
Also: typing. You learn to type very very quickly in pressured situations, when you need to convey information asap or the group will wipe. It's great. (Or you just chat during boss fights in between clicking Starfire, like I do...)

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[info]12_drakon
2007-08-14 03:30 am UTC (link)
Time management. From fractions of seconds for shot rotations, to months for guild progression. I got much better about dealing with time, in general.

Dealing with feelings. This game's been very therapeutic in many ways ^_^ I am not sure it goes under "learning" - maybe rather "development" or "growth"...

Some, for the lack of a better word, truths about life. Separation of friendship and progression, for example (good friends rarely make good game partners). Some groups fail for no apparent reason, and there is nothing anyone can do. Any game will have an end for every particular gamer; one can only hope to leave gracefully.

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[info]__amelioration
2007-08-14 06:49 am UTC (link)
I would say it taught me Patience!!
I hate waiting for most everything but usually goals in-game require it. Such as grinding for a mount or working together, with 9, 24, or even 39 other people to achieve a common goal.

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[info]ladywinterheart
2007-08-14 09:09 am UTC (link)
Since english isn't my first language, during these years of gaming I have expanded my vocabulary and learned tons of phraces and... Become quite fluent.
As a preparation for english exam I usual play some 'english heavy' games, like Soul Reaver (if you're familiar with that series you know what I mean) and such.

I doubt I'd ever become this fluent without games.

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[info]cinematic_scope
2007-08-14 06:55 pm UTC (link)
/clap

brilliant imo.

Mind if I still it and spam it on my guild boards? I'm guessing they'd highly enjoy it

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[info]sydneyrodriguez
2007-08-14 09:59 pm UTC (link)
I don't mind, all I ask is that credit goes where credit is due.

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[info]asciident
2007-08-14 10:10 pm UTC (link)
This post spawned http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/08/14/things-i-learned-from-wow/ :)

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[info]odanu
2007-08-17 10:48 pm UTC (link)
I'm a co-blogger at Feminist Gamers. Can I trackback and quote you for an article?

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[info]sydneyrodriguez
2007-08-17 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Sure. Like I said to another who wanted to use it, just give credit, though it sounds like you already planned on doing so. :)

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[info]odanu
2007-08-17 11:10 pm UTC (link)
thanks

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