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gruul's lair, loot rules

25-man loots
Assignments aren't totally done as far as I know but I wanna get the loot system we came up with out of the way.

Loot is going to be more rare in 25-mans - unlike 10-mans like Karazhan, it is unlikely that most people will get something. IF nothing gets sharded, still only about 1/4 of the raid gets something, unlike Karazhan where it is likely that at least half if not more of the people in the raid will walk away with an item (or two or five as we've had happen sometimes)

So we wanted to come up with a fair way to distribute loot to EVERYONE whether you can raid every weekend or only every once and a while. We thought that Suicide Kings best suited our guild's needs for this.

The system is detailed below the cut and your comments and questions are welcome!

If you find something confusing, potentially unfair, etc, please mention it. I would love for this to be as solid as possible before our raid starts tomorrow :)



Suicide Kings is based off a list - we are going to have 5 lists. A master list and one for each role in a raid (Tank, physical dps, caster dps, healer).

Everyone who is raiding with us will /random 1000 to be put into order in the Master List. All people who have raided with us before (at level 70) will also be added into this list. If you are not present at the raid, an officer will roll for you (we'll be taking care of all of this in the "public" eye when we form up our Gruul's Lair raid for the first time so everyone can see this is being done fairly).

The order will determine the hierarchy of the list. Each person in the raid must decide a list they want to go on. You may only go on one list! The exception to this is feral druids, who MAY choose to be on both "tank" and "physical dps" at the same time. These lists determine the loot you are allowed to roll on. Feral druids, with a typical spec, can be both a bear and a kitty 100% (unlike say, a fury warrior who "can" tank or a protection paladin who "can" heal). However, that doesn't mean feral druids can walk away with all the loot. When a feral tank OR dps item drops, if they choose to take it, they drop to the bottom of both lists. (The order in these separate lists is determined by the master list, which I hopefully have illustrated down below in my tables)

We do ask however that if you, as a feral druid, don't particularly enjoy tanking or DPS, that you don't put yourself on both lists. It is one thing to be a feral druid like Kelsin, who seems to spend equal amounts of time tanking and DPSing, and quite another to be taking loot from a rogue who always does DPS if you actually prefer to tank and almost never DPS. (It's the same way in the opposite direction, if you prefer to DPS I would prefer you only put yourself on the DPS list so you aren't collecting things you'll rarely/never use over tank druids who would use it) Just please be considerate!

When you choose to take loot and go back to the bottom of the list, it is called "suiciding"... lol :( So if I were at the top of the list and a healer item dropped, I "suicide" and take it. I don't know if that's because you are jumping off your position in the list to a watery doom at the bottom or what XD

To explain that, here we are with an example omg:

(Let's pretend Poly wants on both the physical dps and the tank lists)

Let's pretend this is a 10-man raid where we are using this loot system (for the record this loot system is only meant for the 25-mans, free roll in 10-mans is fine most people walk away with loot anyway). I just don't want to type 25 names for my example.

I'm going to bold Polyxena because she is my guinea pig for this example.

Master: 1. Alaphrei 2. Miramis 3. Alessia 4. Kelry 5. Polyxena 6. Sumire 7. Kurai 8. Kaitling 9. Darania 10. Kaymeth ...etc

Tank: 1. Alessia 2. Polyxena 3. Kurai

Healer: 1. Alaphrei 2. Kaitling

Caster: 1. Miramis 2. Darania 3. Kaymeth

Physical: 1. Kelry 2. Polyxena 3. Sumire

A leather DPS item drops! Kelry is a hunter so she can't take it (we will still be restricting items by armor class except in special circumstances which you can read below). Poly is #2 on the list and she can choose to either hold out for a tanking item, or she can take this DPS item. Let's pretend she takes it. The list now looks like this:

Master: 1. Alaphrei 2. Miramis 3. Alessia 4. Kelry 5. Sumire 6. Kurai 7. Kaitling 8. Darania 9. Kaymeth 10. Polyxena

Tank: 1. Alessia 2. Kurai 3. Polyxena

Healer: 1. Alaphrei 2. Kaitling

Caster: 1. Miramis 2. Darania 3. Kaymeth

Physical: 1. Kelry 2. Sumire 3. Polyxena

Really, the separate lists are only so you can see "these people may compete with me" and so we as officers know (and your fellow guildies know) what sorts of items you will be rolling on. That way being #10 in the list doesn't seem so bad when you are only #3 on the tank list.

New example

I am going to do a new example now, a 10-man raid but we'll have 12 people in the loot system to show how this works.

The bold people are NOT in the raid.

Master: 1. Alaphrei 2. Miramis 3. Alessia 4. Kelry 5. Sumire 6. Kurai 7. Kaitling 8. Darania 9. Kaymeth 10. Polyxena 11. Syribo 12. Keranna

Tank: 1. Alessia 2. Kurai 3. Polyxena

Healer: 1. Alaphrei 2. Kaitling

Caster: 1. Miramis 2. Darania 3. Kaymeth

Physical: 1. Kelry 2. Sumire 3. Polyxena 4. Syribo 5. Keranna

A spell dmg dagger item drops. Miramis isn't present, so it goes down the list to Darania. Darania does want it, so she takes it.

Now the lists look like this:

Master: 1. Alaphrei 2. Miramis 3. Alessia 4. Kelry 5. Sumire 6. Kurai 7. Kaitling 8. Kaymeth 9. Polyxena 10. Syribo 11. Darania 12. Keranna

Tank: 1. Alessia 2. Kurai 3. Polyxena

Healer: 1. Alaphrei 2. Kaitling

Caster: 1. Miramis 2. Kaymeth 3. Darania

Physical: 1. Kelry 2. Sumire 3. Polyxena 4. Syribo 5. Keranna

Notice how Keranna keeps her spot in the master list as #12 - Darania won something but she goes to slot #11 because otherwise Keranna would be moved forward by Darania winning something. Keranna cannot move forward in the list unless she attends raids. This prevents Keranna from not going to raids for a couple of weeks, then coming back and being #1 on the list and getting anything she wants.

Darania moves to last on the caster list, and Kaymeth moves forward, but Miramis will retain her #1 spot in the caster list and the #2 slot in the raid until she raids again and loot drops. She earned this spot and may keep it until she obtains loot (or until she moves forward due to someone else getting loot)

Alts
Loot for alts and loot for your alt if you were "forced" to bring your main (ie we are low on healers so Kelry needs to take Kyrielle) is still being decided. However, plain old alt loot will probably be a non-issue for a while because we don't intend to bring alts for a while unless they are needed.

Off-spec
Off-spec loot- An item is about to be sharded. Say it is a healing item, all the healers have it or do not want. People who want it for off-spec may roll for it without losing their spot in suicide kings but can't get anything else that night. However this still acts like it does in Karazhan now - if Miramis wins a healing staff that no one wants, and then a leather caster helm drops that only she can use, she can still take it - sharding loot because of fluke circumstances is FTL! But even though the staff didn't affect her position in the list, the caster helm will!)

Items may not go free role for on-spec even if it isn't their best armor class. If I want to suicide for a cloth healing robe that is fine, but I can't free roll for it as an offspec item. HOWEVER armor class items are still foremost except for in the exceptions (ie miramis can roll on cloth). So Alaphrei may not suicide for a cloth healing robe if Sythrel wants it.

New people!
New people enter at the bottom of the list. It sounds kind of crappy but that's the most fair thing, and you will still be able to get items no one else wants. You eventually will climb to the top and be able to get things, I promise!

DotA Friends
DotA friends will go through the list just like we do. No differences whatsoever!

Last example! Priest/druid/warrior token drops in a raid. Here is the current list:

Master: 1. Alaphrei 2. Miramis 3. Alessia 4. Kelry 5. Sumire 6. Kurai 7. Kaitling 8. Darania 9. Kaymeth 10. Polyxena

Tank: 1. Alessia 2. Kurai 3. Polyxena

Healer: 1. Alaphrei 2. Kaitling

Caster: 1. Miramis 2. Darania 3. Kaymeth

Physical: 1. Kelry 2. Sumire 3. Polyxena

Because this deals with multiple classes it is hard to see exactly who gets priority on the token - Miramis and Alaphrei are both #1 in their respective sections. However, Alaphrei is #1 in the master list, so she gets the item and drops down.