Rufus Honker IV ([info]rufushonkeriv) wrote in [info]worldofwarcraft,
@ 2008-04-22 21:17:00
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Thought on Warrior Commanding Shout.
Does anyone else find Commanding Shout a little useless in general use? I don't raid - it might come in more handy there - but I've always found it a little annoying. You have to remember to keep applying it every two minutes, which I often forget - plus you need rage to cast it, meaning you need to build some up through bloodrage or fighting to cast it.  It only ups the maximum HP, not actually healing - making it pointless in soloing.   The least they could do is bump up the duration a little - pally buffs are ten minutes, and even that seems short.

Personally, I think they should change Challenging Shout or add a different talent that could be more helpful. I was thinking a shout that puts the effects of Last Stand on nearby party members (not necessarily the Warrior themselves), to give the Warrior a little more time to snag aggro or hold things for the healer to get his stuff together.

Thoughts?

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[info]eeepeeep
2008-04-23 01:34 am UTC (link)
Obvious troll is obvious.

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[info]royalcartouche
2008-04-23 01:38 am UTC (link)
Improve duration on all shouts to at least 5 minutes, preferring 10.

Commanding is king for tanking warriors in PVE, as well as PVP. It's really not bad.

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[info]royalcartouche
2008-04-23 01:39 am UTC (link)
Preferably* :(

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[info]tchernobyl
2008-04-23 02:13 am UTC (link)
donnie~
But yes, agreed. It's a major warrior complaint that our shouts are so short...

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[info]ghostlight
2008-04-23 11:03 am UTC (link)
Let me know when you have to keep two to four of them up at a time, and they only last two minutes because the duration was buffed -_-

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[info]snugglesofdoom
2008-04-23 01:39 am UTC (link)
To quote WoWWiki.

"This is the highest health bonus buff cast by a player, but due to it's short range, duration and rage necessity, it is often overlooked. This, when combined with the various Fortitude spells, Blood Pact, Gift of the Wild and Blessing of Kings can boost a player's maximum health considerably. In raid instances, this is ideal for the Main Tank to withstand a Boss' melee damage."

The more health you have, the more likely you are to survive.

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[info]snugglesofdoom
2008-04-23 01:40 am UTC (link)
Also agree that the buff timer should be increased :))

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[info]shootingstars
2008-04-23 01:50 am UTC (link)
Exceptionally useful in raid. End of story.

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[info]manicdee
2008-04-23 02:16 am UTC (link)
Commanding Shout — like all stamina/health buffs — is useful purely for the sake of giving your healers that little bit of extra time to get a heal off before someone falls over dead.

A last-stand-ish shout would be a bad, bad idea. Mr. Rogue will simply think, "oh hey, I have more health! I don't need to bandage yet..." because as we all know, the rogue class is entirely played by DPS-happy mouth breathers. But you get my point?

When I'm tanking a 5-man or heroic these days, I'll use Battle Shout. When tanking boss fights, I sometimes use Commanding Shout where the boss hits slowly but for a lot of damage, or in the case of Quagmirran where he does a lot of damage in a burst, but the healer has a chance to catch up if only I'd stay alive for that extra half a second.

So Commanding Shout, like other Stam/HP buffs, is great for content that you aren't over-geared for. It buys your healer those few essential fractions of a second to catch up.

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[info]dac
2008-04-23 03:28 pm UTC (link)
don't hate on the sacrificial rogues

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[info]asciident
2008-04-23 02:45 am UTC (link)
It's nice in a number of situations, even if it isn't great for solo play.

And yes, all shouts' duration should be increased.

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[info]tridus
2008-04-23 10:05 am UTC (link)
Obviously you don't tank. :P

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[info]tokudama
2008-04-23 12:31 pm UTC (link)
It is love in raiding, and yeah, the duration should be increased.

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[info]reservoir
2008-04-23 12:49 pm UTC (link)
I love Commanding Shout. It's awesome in raiding and for certain heroic boss encounters where every bit of health helps.

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[info]spartonian
2008-04-23 01:43 pm UTC (link)
1000+ extra health is great. It's exceptionally helpful in PvP and in AoE happy PvE fights.

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[info]paradox0220
2008-04-23 04:00 pm UTC (link)
This shout is very useful in arenas. I ask my warrior (warrior/druid team) to always put it on first. That way double DPS (dreaded mage/rogue especially) have to eat through a bit more health.

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