Pineapple Head ([info]methedras) wrote in [info]worldofwarcraft,
@ 2008-03-26 09:44:00
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Warcraft 3 & Exp
Hey guys,

Whilst I do my best to read through WoW Wiki and get all the back stories etc, I always feel like I'm missing a piece of the overall puzzle when playing WoW.

I own both WC3 and TFT but I am only up to where Arthas' destroys Quel'Thalas. I was wondering, is it worth me just sitting down and powering through both games so that I am somewhat caught up? It's mostly that RTS doesn't appeal to me so much that I haven't gotten further, but from what I can tell, pretty much every key character's story is told between these two games, is that true?

Basically, I just want to see more about Illidan, the Legion, Kael'thas, Vashj and all that crap. Arthas is just an emo git, so I don't care too much about him. Haha.

In the meantime, can someone suggest a nice, streamlined UI package that is excellent for raiding? Right now, I'm a bit hodge podge with my add-ons and would like something neater.


Cheers.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2008-03-26 09:58 am UTC (link)
*chuckles about the Arthas comment* Hang on through it, wait 'til you have to deal with Grom and Illidan. Stupid jerks. *fistshake*

I'd personally consider it worth it, and while I'm not all that great at RTS games, I loved those ones. Warcraft II is why I'm even here (as hard as the game was for me), so I feel like I 'owe' it. The games do seem to tell the tale of the important characters in Azeroth.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 10:02 am UTC (link)
Well I completed WC1 when it came out way back when, but I really don't think there was much in the way of storyline in that. WC2 I started when I was younger, but got bored. I play it occasionally on my crappy work laptop when I am bored, but it doesn't seem like there is much storyline there either except for maybe the expansion? I don't know.

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[info]the__ivorytower
2008-03-26 10:14 am UTC (link)
Eh, I followed it well enough at the time. Warcraft III is much more linear, whereas Warcraft I and II had two not-entirely-true storylines.

I have an odd love for Warcraft I, despite the fact that it's slow and old.

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[info]arwenoid
2008-03-26 06:41 pm UTC (link)
I recently grabbed a copy of WC1 from work (I have NO idea why we had a copy of WC1 lying around, but it's mine now!) So. Pleased. If it wasn't for the new patch, I'd take a WoW break so I can play it. :)

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[info]xella
2008-03-26 10:34 am UTC (link)
If you're really in it for just the backstory (which I was), cheat codes are your saving grace—"whosyourdaddy" was the one that I used (makes you invincible and able to one-shot basically anything) but something where you just can't die might be better (in case there's dialog during combat that you might miss by making combat end so quickly, heh). It won't help you so much on timed missions, but there aren't a whole lot of those that I can remember.

I bought WC3 and TFT specifically for the lore and storyline, since I absolutely hate RTSes, and I was getting a little irritated at the "generic recap" that sites like Wowwiki would give. It worked out fine for me, but I haven't actually opened the game back up since I completed it, so :P

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 11:04 am UTC (link)
Hah oh I couldnt do that, I refuse to cheat in games, because what's the point then?

I'll still fight my way through it, its the resource building that bugs me.

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[info]puppy_tenchan
2008-03-26 11:58 am UTC (link)
[...] what's the point then?

The story?

But if you don't want to play only for the story, YouTube can at least offer you the videos (and maybe even the ingame scenes, I don't know, I never looked).

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 12:02 pm UTC (link)
Ahhh I'm just one of those gamers who feels that you should work for your rewards, otherwise I feel cheap and dirty. Haha.

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[info]arwenoid
2008-03-26 06:42 pm UTC (link)
hey, some of us LIKE feeling cheap & dirty...

wait, this isn't that sort of community. nevermind. :D

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[info]mcflynnthm
2008-03-26 10:53 am UTC (link)
What finally got me to give into WoW (since I have long disliked MMOs) was the fact that I loved the story from WC3 and TFT so much. So I'd say it's worth it. If you dislike RTS, though, I agree with the above commenter to use cheats.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 11:04 am UTC (link)
I don't completely hate RTS, I just find them a bit slow sometimes dependent on the game, or I get sidetracked by something else. I mean, I love Command & Conquer 3 it's a really fun game, but I get sidetracked by other games so often then find it hard to go back to them. =/

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[info]mcflynnthm
2008-03-26 11:06 am UTC (link)
I know what you mean; my copy of C&C3 is sitting unfinished :P Though Dawn of War managed to completely own me for a good long while.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 11:09 am UTC (link)
I so want to play it through, get some skills, and get online with it... but I do not have the time with WoW and leading a raid guild. =/

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[info]origamislayer
2008-03-26 11:18 am UTC (link)
I'm a big fan of Starcraft but WC3 just didn't do it for me. I just cheated my way through to get the lore once I started playing WoW. The neat thing for me was playing "The Founding of Durotar" and seeing how close they were to WoW. Question marks over quest giver's heads, kill x of y quests, quest rewards.... Worth doing just to see WoW .5

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[info]b33mboy
2008-03-26 11:36 am UTC (link)
if you want a ton of good lore and stuff. DEFINITELY read the books! War of the Ancients trilogy deals with Malfurion and Illidan. Rise of the Horde, Lord of the clans, background for the horde, Durotan and Thrall and Ogrimm and all that jazz + beginning of warlocks. all kinds of goodies to be found in the books.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 11:40 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I have the 4 book archive and Rise of the Horde. They're fluffy, but a good read nonetheless.

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[info]mr_eleganza
2008-03-26 12:39 pm UTC (link)
Yup, you should definitely play it if you have any interest in the lore...

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 12:41 pm UTC (link)
Seems to be the concensus. Man, I wanted my non-WoW time to be focused on Assassin's Creed, Bioshock and a billion other games. Hahaha.

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[info]entj
2008-03-26 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Well, I've got two for you from WoW Insider:

Sylvictus compiled two videos from Warcraft 3's cut scenes.

Rise of Illidan Stormrage


Rise of the Lich King

Enjoy!


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[info]pope_guilty
2008-03-26 01:11 pm UTC (link)
I recommend that all WoW players play through WC3 and TFT. They set everything up, like why the Blood Elves aren't part of the Alliance, why Kael'Thas is like that, etc.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 01:38 pm UTC (link)
What doesn't sit right with me is why the Blood Elves are waging war against their own so-called Lord of the Blood Elves. Is there something I missed, whilst playing my blood elf?

I mean shit, they still got statues of him all through Silvermoon.

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[info]pope_guilty
2008-03-26 01:51 pm UTC (link)
I'm given to understand that this is something you learn when you hit Shat (my only 58+ character is Alliance), but the Blood Elves back home don't know that Kael'Thas works for the Legion now. They see him as the messiah who will lead them to a better life in Outland.

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[info]acsway06
2008-03-26 03:56 pm UTC (link)
yes. the game is suppose to be viewed as a continuous story, even though everything still happens at the same time. once the blood elves of silvermoon got to outland to ally with kael, they saw him turned to evil, so they defected from him and became the scryers.

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[info]methedras
2008-03-26 04:01 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I figured that was how it was supposed to work. Kael'Thas exists in two locations at the same time... Paradox!

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[info]iwanttobeasleep
2008-03-27 07:20 am UTC (link)
YMMV but:

The problem with the WoW story is that it has to progress AND stay in the same place. New players have to see the story from the beginning of WoW, and the end game, as well as all the middle stuff, has to happen. Keep that in mind whenever you look at the lore.

The blood elves of Silvermoon and Azeroth do not know about what's going on in the Outland. They still trust in their prince and believe he is in the Outland, working to fix their mana addiction/withdrawal (which, arguably, he plans to do by reawakening the Sunwell, the 2.4 trailer establishes that he still has his people in mind when working with Illi, although he is also insane). If you really read the quest text and listen to some conversations in Silvermoon, you can see that some Belfs realize something is not quite right, but most are keen on getting to the Outland to rejoin him. They also don't know that he's working with a (half-)demon, and that draining mana from enemies to sate their addiction is more insidious than it seems. As you progress into the Outland you discover that Kael'Thas is actually working with Illidan, that the blood elves picked up on it, and split from him, forming the Scryer in Shattrath (if you're Aldor make sure to carefully follow the questline in Netherstorm with Kaylaan or whoever he is), then that the blood elves have teamed up with the demons, etc. Naturally, you'd expect that they'd send word back to Silvermoon, the statues of Kael would be torn down, and all that, but then there'd be no reason for the Silvermoon NPCs to be going "Hey there Level 1, start killing shit so you can join our savior in the promised land!"

Although now that patch 2.4 has hit and not only is Kael known to be evil, but he's chilling out not far from the Belf capital, doing mischievous things, Silvermoon would have to figure it out. . .I wonder if anything has changed there.

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