Richard ([info]elnerdoricardo) wrote in [info]worldofwarcraft,
@ 2007-09-26 08:55:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
Happiness is...
Knowing the materials for all the new items that came out yesterday (Soul Essences FTW!) and stockpiling them for weeks.

I made at least 1000G yesterday selling Small Prismatics, Soul Essences and Primal Airs.

Lesson of the Day: *Always* capitalize on the need of people who must have it now.

Thanks for getting me within 1K of my epic mount! :D

(Post a new comment)


[info]thermalnoise
2007-09-26 01:52 pm UTC (link)
So I shouldn't have vendored the 3 Soul Essences from Kara last night?

Good thing I have a stockpile on a bank alt.

(Reply to this) (Thread)

[info]elnerdoricardo
2007-09-26 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Definitely not.

Shadowprowler's Chestguard is a Feral Druid Epic Chest that requires, I shit you not, 16 bolts of soulcloth. What's that, like 104 Soul Essences?

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]thermalnoise
2007-09-26 02:41 pm UTC (link)
Funny how Primal Shadows are still under 15 G a piece on my realm. I actually bought a stack of 5 this morning for 50G (gotta get my Subtlety enchant). I bet Soul Essences still aren't worth auctioning, either.

Maybe this weekend that will swing the other way.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]heinous_bitca
2007-09-26 02:25 pm UTC (link)
/weepz

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]particle_man
2007-09-26 02:41 pm UTC (link)
So you not only shadowloot chests by exploiting game mechanics but you also rip off your fellow players by overcharging them on the AH?

Mind letting me know which server you play on so I can avoid you?

(Reply to this) (Thread)

[info]elnerdoricardo
2007-09-26 02:48 pm UTC (link)
LOL!

Supply and demand, you noob!

People were HAPPY to pay what I was charging for these items. I couldn't keep them in the AH.

And Blizzard THEMSELVES have stated that looting the chests on the stairs is NOT exploiting, but a "creative use of mechanics".

Go troll somewhere else, thanks.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]particle_man
2007-09-26 03:13 pm UTC (link)
I'm not trolling. Just pointing out that some people have no conscience at all and you seem to be one of them.

If it was just "creative use of mechanics" then Blizz wouldn't have changed it so you can no longer do it. You've got to be an idiot to think that they designed it so that a rogue can solo the chests in an instance that normally takes 5 people.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]elnerdoricardo
2007-09-26 03:17 pm UTC (link)
Blizzard changed it because of people like you who cry foul that someone else can do something you can't.

Sorry, why do we have stealth if we can't use it to our advantage?

Less QQ.

And no conscience? IT'S A GAME. LMAO.

Go read up on free market economies. The market will pay what the market can bear. That's as basic as it gets. People were more than willing to pay an elevated price for an item in demand. If you don't get that, then while I may have no conscience, in your opinion, you have no intelligence.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]particle_man
2007-09-26 03:24 pm UTC (link)
No, Blizzard changed it because they didn't intend for a single person to be able to get to the items in the chest. They designed it to require five people and want it to take five people.

I understand free market economies quite well. I also understand profiteering and that's what you're doing. I'm sure you see nothing wrong with it and in WoW there really isn't but the same activities in real life is often illegal and it is the morality of the act that I disagree with.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]elnerdoricardo
2007-09-26 03:32 pm UTC (link)
And? Do you think they really intended for a Druid to be able to solo Outlands instances?

There are tons of places in the game that ended up not as Blizzard intended. Alterac Valley is a PRIME example. You think Blizzard intended AV to be a huge zerg rush to the boss?

There's nothing immoral with what I did. I provided an in-demand item at a price that was elevated above normal.

You make it sound like I quadrupled the price!

To make it clear: I was selling Small Prismatics at 8G BO a piece.
They normally sell for 5G.

The people selling Large Prismatics were selling them at 30G a piece.

But seriously, I don't have to justify anything to you. I did nothing wrong, I provided an item to a group that wanted it. I stockpiled items well in advance of the patch on the speculation that there would be a run up on them.

That's called taking a risk to realize a return.

It's as basic as it can get. I made the initial investment, and used that to effect a nice return.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]cultureofdoubt
2007-09-26 04:04 pm UTC (link)
'I also understand profiteering and that's what you're doing.'
I think you need to expand on exactly what you mean by 'profiteering'.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]devryguy
2007-09-26 04:24 pm UTC (link)
It's a game and the people aren't out anything except imaginary money which they willingly parted with for something they wanted, not needed (which is why it isn't profiteering)

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]mr_eleganza
2007-09-26 03:24 pm UTC (link)
Supply and demand indeed.

Just out of curiosity, I created alts on a few different servers just to see how AH prices differ, and they differ wildly (as one might expect).

Surely if people felt he was overpricing them they'd go elsewhere or farm the items themselves...

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]particle_man
2007-09-26 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Farming the item yourself sounds like a great idea until you go where the items drop and there's already a bunch of people like him there working as a group and jumping on everything that spawns. Something that should take an hour ends up taking 4 or more to put together because of it.

Look, I don't actually have any problem with the OP. It's more the attitude of the guy that that Blizz shouldn't have fixed the Arcatraz chest exploit because they're entitled to them just because they can stealth or that it's all right to charge (for example) 30 gold for a mid 30's green because the stats are excellent. It makes it impossible for someone just starting out to get anywhere without a 70 or two feeding the alt gold.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]elnerdoricardo
2007-09-26 03:40 pm UTC (link)
First off, it's Mechanar, not Arca... so at least educate yourself before speaking.

Secondly, I implore you to find somewhere where I said that Blizzard shouldn't have fixed it. Go ahead, look. You won't find it.

My opinion: yes, chest farming "disrupts" the economy, at least, how Blizzard wants it to be run. Massive price depressions mean people can buy much more for their gold, which means faster gearing up and faster progression through content, which obviously is not want Blizzard wants. Should they have fixed it? From their side, I know exactly their reasons, and they are perfectly logical, macroeconomically. Micro, though, it's a pain to the people who were legally using their talents to earn gold and items.

And as far as farming, well, tough cookies, pal. Why do you think you're entitled to those mobs over anyone else? What's stopping YOU from getting a group of 4 and doing the same thing? What's stopping YOU from going somewhere else and farming something else?

I see a lot of projection towards me. Lumping a lot of different things into one...

Low level greens? I sell everything via Auctioneer scans, which means something gets sold for what the market determines is fair, and gives me a fair price for what I'm selling.

Don't like that Shadowfang sells for 200+? Well, you only have the lvl 19 twinks to blame for that.

And I didn't start playing until months after BC was launched, and my wife months after that. And neither of us had ANY problem farming, making gold and leveling. In fact, both of us had more than enough gold at 40, 60 and 70 to pay for our mounts and training, with gold to spare. So much for the last sentence in your reply.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]mr_eleganza
2007-09-26 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Don't like that Shadowfang sells for 200+? Well, you only have the lvl 19 twinks to blame for that

Personally I don't mind Shadowfang selling for for 200g but what I do mind is going throught SFK 10-15 times on my hunter trying to get it and it doesn't frakking drop.
*pout*

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]cultureofdoubt
2007-09-26 04:09 pm UTC (link)
And also, noone needs any of the twink weapons to progress. Quest rewards and instance drops are just fine for levelling. No need to go spending money at the AH. So yeah, if people are prepared to pay the money for such items, I see nothing wrong with selling them at that price.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]mr_eleganza
2007-09-26 03:54 pm UTC (link)
With about 9 million(I think?) players, yeah, you're gonna have overlap where people are gonna be farming the same area.
Are they any less entitled to it than me?

I know what you mean about starting out. My first main was a tailor/enchanter and never had any money.
Since then my toons have always been miners/herbalists/leather workers and I've never ben short of money when starting out so I could get decent gear in the beginning and then just live off what drops.
Inflated AH prices? Doesn't bother me.

In any case, until you hit the higher levels you get so much good stuff from quests that it's rarely worth it to buy weapons/armour from the AH unless you're trying to complete a set IMO...

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]leopardeternal
2007-09-26 04:04 pm UTC (link)
Don't get mad at the sellers for taking advantage of what the buyers are willing to support. The buyers are the ones who have control of the market, especially in an Auction format. If your unwilling to pay the prices offered, find another way of getting the items you want, which will take time. If the sellers arn't selling, they'll lower their prices. If they're selling quickly they'll raise their prices. The Buyers have control by paying the prices offered.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]st_rev
2007-09-26 05:17 pm UTC (link)
There's no such thing as a true or fair price. There are only agreements between a buyer and a seller.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]cadey
2007-09-26 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Since the patch notes were released on PTR, about 3 weeks ago, all of this information HAS BEEN KNOWN. If you wanted to find out, all you had to do was copy a toon onto PTR and find out. You can read up on MMO Champion, WorldofRaids, probably WoW Insider, and Curse to find these things out. Elitist Jerks more than likely had something as well. This information has been known for some time now.

If someone wanted the stuff badly enough, all they had to do was FIND OUT and if they did not want to pay the prices on the AH, they would stockpile the mats themselves. What the OP did was simply take advantage of a sudden increase in demand, which is what any sane businessperson would do. The people that bought the auctions did so of their OWN FREE WILL. They could have gathered the mats themselves, but they did not. The small prismatics, if you are not an enchanter, would be difficult, but they could be obtained.

Just because you're paying the prices on the AH because you didn't bother to do your homework beforehand isn't the sellers' issue.

For the shadowlooting - Stealth, Sap, Vanish, these are all standard rogue tricks. There was no exploiting involved. It's basically the same as a Hunter soloing instances.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]fordarkness
2007-09-26 07:12 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't it be an "exploit" for any player that knows how to use game mechanics to solo anything? (playing poke the silly comment about it being an "exploit" to use your skills in ways that Blizzard originally didn't foresee, not directing this at you, the commenter I'm commenting on, but it brought the idea in my head, hence why I'm commenting here!)

What about that level 63 elite mob that ate my ass in Zangarmarsh... was it an exploit that I kited it to a town and had the guards help me kill it? Technically, that's soloing and I got a blue drop out of it that I sold for 65 gold.

Blizzard can't create a fix for every possible way to play the game and using your skills to take advantage of it isn't wrong. It may seem unfair to those that play a class that's not capable of doing such things, but if they're that put out by it, there's nothing stopping them from creating a toon of the same class and leveling it to do it themselves.

I'm working on my rogue because I want to experience the fun in stealthing into instances for phat lewts on my own. It's also one of the reasons why I *love* my hunter and her ability to solo mobs and instances that classes other can't.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]bowzerblack
2007-09-26 06:34 pm UTC (link)
LOL wow just wow.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

[info]ktknievel
2007-09-26 02:48 pm UTC (link)
None of my servers had a price rise, I was really hoping the price of Small prismatic shards would have gone up.

Well, that's not entirely true. Primal Shadow prices have been wonky for the last couple of weeks and yesterday showed a couple people putting them into the AH for 40g each, but no one is buying. Soul Essence I still can't sell no matter how hard I try. I'm hoping this weekend will bring more people to the AH!

(Reply to this) (Thread)

[info]glenngunnerzero
2007-09-26 04:46 pm UTC (link)
Depends on the server and the faction really. If it's a server with a majority of guilds post kara I doubt it will and Alliance side tends to have more guilds in the Higher raids except probably on PvP servers.

(Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

[info]ktknievel
2007-09-26 04:58 pm UTC (link)
Oh trust me, I know. I've been playing the AH as a mini-game for longer then I care to admit. I was just very very surprised that the usual price hikes didn't happen this time as they usually do across my servers.

(Reply to this) (Parent)

Create an Account
Forgot your login or password?
Login w/ OpenID
English • Español • Deutsch • Русский…