Purple Primate ([info]purpleprimate) wrote in [info]who_knits,
@ 2008-05-14 23:30:00
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The recent copyright issues
As the maintainer of [info]who_knits, I probably should have spoken up about the Doctor Who/ BBC/ mazzmatazz/ eBay/ knitting pattern fiasco much earlier.

I thought the whole situation was unfortunate and unfair but also a bit silly and assumed it would blow over and we'd have our patterns back up before the kerfuffle got to the point where Neil Gaiman might blog about it.

I don't think [info]who_knits should have an official policy about the privacy level of pattern posts (but if you are nervous, feel free to friends lock your entries), but I will be adding something to the userinfo/ F.A.Q. regarding profiting from patterns or knit items based on Doctor Who characters or props. That stance being: no profiting allowed.

The reason the BBC's reaction to the patterns is strange and unfair is that the person punished was not the person asking for money. To maintain our righteous indignation, it's important that there not be another example of an individual profiting from the sale of a Doctor Who pattern or finished item. I know no one reading this would think of doing such a thing, particularly at this time, but I thought the community's stance should be stated nonetheless.

I realize this is a confusing issue. People sell Tom Baker scarves on eBay constantly, and I've never heard of the maintainer of the (disappeared) doctorwhoscarf.com dealing with issues of copyright. I'm not certain where the BBC draws the line. Is new-Who is off-limits but classic-Who free game?

My bottom line is this: be careful, use your own judgment, if you're going to try to profit from a Who related knit item, don't do it in [info]who_knits.

Furthermore, although the BBC is within their rights to complain or request removal of patterns, doing so is not a smart way to encourage their fandom. I think they may need to be reminded of this in a playful, friendly way.

What do you think about [info]who_knits holding an emergency knitalong that results in many knit Adipose being mailed to the appropriate BBC office?

Please comment with your thoughts.



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[info]garpu
2008-05-15 03:45 am UTC (link)
Oh hell. Did the guy who ran doctorwhoscarf.com take down his site because of this? :(

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[info]purpleprimate
2008-05-15 03:52 am UTC (link)
No, I don't think so. It looks to me like the registration for the domain ran out and someone snatched it up.

The site that's there now looks like it was made in 1998, though. I'll email Chris (the guy who ran doctorwhoscarf.com) and find out what's up.

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[info]garpu
2008-05-15 03:54 am UTC (link)
I emailed him, as well as probably most of ravelry. Gah. I really hope he wasn't harassed. :(

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[info]purpleprimate
2008-05-15 03:59 am UTC (link)
I emailed him as well. Poor Chris! :D

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[info]elemsee
2008-05-16 04:11 am UTC (link)
Ditto. Which may explain why he hasn't responded to anyone :( Maybe he just panicked?

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[info]lt_kitty
2008-05-15 04:00 am UTC (link)
What do you think about [info]who_knits holding an emergency knitalong that results in many knit Adipose being mailed to the appropriate BBC office?

I'd love to, if I could find the pattern....


Edited at 2008-05-15 04:27 am UTC

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[info]chale
2008-05-15 05:53 am UTC (link)
There's several up on ravelry in the Who communities...and I printed out the pattern that started all this back when she first put it up on her site. So if all else fails, email works. :o)

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[info]russia_moore
2008-05-15 04:31 am UTC (link)
I'm literally in cold sweats. Doctorwhoscarf.com gone?!

I need the pattern! I lost my copy! I'm 70% done a scarf!

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[info]milady_vilya
2008-05-15 04:45 am UTC (link)
Which season do you need? I went and copied each season when all this started.

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[info]russia_moore
2008-05-15 04:49 am UTC (link)
Season 12.

I wish I had thought of doing that.

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[info]ladysarahii
2008-05-15 05:27 am UTC (link)
Oh yeah, I'm doing Season 12 and I have the second column copied, but not the third. Oh noes!

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[info]elemsee
2008-05-16 04:13 am UTC (link)
I spent about two hours combing through my cache last night looking for it to no avail. He had exchanged e-mail with me just last week and tweaked the diagram to reflect differences between 12 and 13 :/ Idiot me didn't save it.

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BBCr esponds
[info]milady_vilya
2008-05-15 04:44 am UTC (link)
There is now a video up: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/7400268.stm

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Re: BBCr esponds
[info]russia_moore
2008-05-15 04:54 am UTC (link)
Whoa now, did he say that they were "likely not up to" Dr Who's quality and then turn around and say they want to license them?

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Re: BBCr esponds
[info]jinxsa
2008-05-15 04:58 am UTC (link)
I think he has a peice of hypocracy in his throat.

Also can we say back pedal?

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[info]shartasha
2008-05-15 05:04 am UTC (link)
I love the idea of flooding BBC with as many knit Adipose as we can muster.

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[info]sharkshark
2008-05-15 05:13 am UTC (link)
Adipose definitely! And maybe even not just knit Adipose, all kinds we could make, probably. It would definitely be interesting. I wonder what they would do with them?

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[info]ladyfox7oaks
2008-05-15 06:05 pm UTC (link)
Use them- what else?

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[info]rustydog
2008-05-15 05:23 am UTC (link)
I like that idea as well!

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[info]chale
2008-05-15 05:52 am UTC (link)
I like the idea too! :o)

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[info]freyja
2008-05-15 06:00 am UTC (link)
can't we just blow them up?

oh wait, sorry. *stifle stifle stifle*

yes, i'm in for the knitalong.

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[info]russia_moore
2008-05-15 02:46 pm UTC (link)
Hey now, let's keep the evil plots to the online world, eh?

:P

(Pssst, I'm swamped with finals but we should do some end-of-the C/KAL rallying of troops... And now we can make it political!)

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[info]phantoms_siren
2008-05-15 06:04 am UTC (link)
I like the idea of mailing adipose to the BBC, would it have to be knit though?

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[info]mazzmatazz
2008-05-15 06:59 am UTC (link)
I should probably make another statement too, but I have to go to work right now.

Suffice to say - I am shocked by the craziness going on myself.

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[info]russia_moore
2008-05-15 02:47 pm UTC (link)
How are you holding up with all this? It really has blown up. Craziness.

Probably good you didn't release your real name to the public... I imagine that would up the crazy.

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[info]mazzmatazz
2008-05-15 11:42 pm UTC (link)
The support from so many people who don't even know me has been overwhelming.

Also, I have refused to deal with the press, and ORG really kindly fielded a lot of the interest for me. I will ensure they get something from any deal I do cut. :-)

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[info]russia_moore
2008-05-16 05:56 am UTC (link)
It's the least we can do to be there for you in these bizarre and trying circumstances!

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[info]robling_t
2008-05-15 08:40 am UTC (link)
I'm in, although I might totally crap out on making something new and just send them the old acrylic Four scarf, now I've made a replacement...

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[info]r_e_drink
2008-05-15 09:02 am UTC (link)
Definitely up for that – but how do we go about getting the adipose patterns?!

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2008-05-15 09:29 am UTC (link)
Love the idea of flooding BBC with knitted adipose (I might need to crochet). How about setting a date and getting lots of media coverage - I"m sure ITV would be interrested!!!

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[info]melfinatheblue
2008-05-15 12:38 pm UTC (link)
I'm in for making adipose. (Crocheting them, anyway).

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[info]lucifers_girl
2008-05-15 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Dude, all they would do is steal the pattern and start making their own. We would just be providing them prototypes!!!

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[info]lucifers_girl
2008-05-15 12:51 pm UTC (link)
I just watched the video, since when did they offer her a licensing agreement?

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[info]reedfem
2008-05-15 01:25 pm UTC (link)
They'd probably try to sell them...

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[info]rjdaae
2008-05-15 02:00 pm UTC (link)
I love the idea of the knit-a-long, and sending them to the BBC! I'd just have to make sure that the shipping costs to the UK weren't too prohibitive. (I'm a broke, starving artist D: )

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[info]rob_t_firefly
2008-05-15 02:13 pm UTC (link)
I fully support an emergency Adipose knitalong, and would be thrilled to participate.

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[info]garpu
2008-05-15 03:18 pm UTC (link)
And I'd get behind an adipose KAL, too. For those of us living in parts outside of the UK, though, should we send them to one person who'll collect them, then send them along? Shipping can be a bitch.

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[info]lainiest
2008-05-15 03:31 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't shipping them all to one person who would then ship them in bulk to the BBC cost twice as much as just shipping them straight to the BBC?

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[info]garpu
2008-05-15 03:34 pm UTC (link)
Hrm. Probably would, wouldn't it? knit adipose aren't *that* heavy, but a whole box would be.

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[info]lainiest
2008-05-15 04:34 pm UTC (link)
... Twice the shipping because you'd be shipping them twice, not because of the weight. :)

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