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    Behind the Lines: The Process (#1)

    Okay, so let's ease into talking about development with some context.

    What goes into being a developer? Well, our responsibilities are pretty straightforward, but there's a lot of nuances to the job. We have a lot of creative control, but we also have a responsibility to put out the best stuff we can. It's our obligation to create stuff that will find an audience and genuinely enrich each game and make it easier and more fun to play, not just vanity projects that are what we'd want to do anyway. Optimally, there will be overlap: you will want to do projects that will also be useful to the majority of players, Storytellers and fans. If there isn't overlap, then either you're going to burn out doing projects you don't enjoy, or you'll put out niche products that are of great value only to people who like exactly what you like. Neither is good at all. That's why it's actually a challenging job, not just a hobby we get paid for. (But it is a good job, and we do enjoy it.)

    I could devote an entire post to the pitch process. I probably will, though this won't be it. Most of our day-to-day work is the shepherding of projects from a basic idea that has been laid onto the schedule into reality. For now, it's just important to know that pitching projects and picking projects is something that a lot of people participate in. Everyone in the company has a voice, and every book we put out has at the very least been conceptually mulled over by the whole crew at IPD&D in a meeting, even if that process is as quick and simple as Rich saying "This looks like it'll be an awesome supplement, I'd like to see you do it" and a general chorus of "Yeah, absolutely." More often, new ideas are added and a developer gets an even better feel for how the book can succeed. For example, an order book like Adamantine Arrow usually requires little extra discussion if we've already done a few and they're successful. On the other hand, Rich wanted to see five Changeling supplements where I'd conservatively planned for four, and subsequent discussion revealed a neat way to divvy things up so that we had five fully-fleshed ideas where four were. So basically, your pitch may not look quite the same when you've run it past all those people you see mentioned every Monday Meeting, but it comes out better for it. It's kind of like being part of a movie studio, only everyone here really likes good games more than everyone out at Hollywood likes good movies. And in no small part thanks to the recent merger and the reorganization of IPD&D under Rich, this is more true than ever. We're mercifully not governed by "suit-think," and I think the overall level of love and desire for quality shows in the books.

    So it's time to get a book started. Therefore, you start out with an outline. If it's a new RPG (like, say, Scion or Changeling), this is a very involved process, involving game bibles, proposed mechanics, weekly or bi-weekly meetings, an ever-evolving document, initial rules testing, and the like. If it's a supplement, the developer can write it on their own. This can be a bit of a complicated process, depending on how high-concept the supplement is. The outline for Changeling: The Lost was over 7500 words; the actual Changeling bible was over 16,000! To put that in perspective, that's about the same number of words that went into the first few Vampire clanbooks back in the day (yet the actual final product was almost 10 times as many words). Thankfully, a supplement outline usually runs only 2000-3000 words. Let's focus on supplements for now, as they make up the majority of our projects, and therefore a more accurate view of a developer's average day-to-day work.

    Roughly about the same time as you're finalizing the outline, you're wrangling authors: calling up regular freelancers, maybe trying out new ones, seeing who will be available and for how many "K". (Which of course means "thousand words," but we speak of it as if it were a unit of currency. Which it actually is, technically speaking.) The average Changeling supplement is about 105K; a fatty like Silver Ladder, more like 143K. Way back in the day, as I said above, a pre-Revised Tribebook might run around 25-30K. Author selection can involve other developers as well, as you see who's available, who's working on other stuff, and how this one guy you haven't tried before worked out for somebody else. It is not quite like sports team owners trading players. But close.

    Once you have your authors, you plug them into the outline, send it around, draw up contracts, and send them around, too. Usually at this point we like to encourage email discussion between authors, so that they can compare ideas and make sure to avoid duplication. Also, the conversation is usually jazzy and uplifting, as you would expect from a bunch of clever and literate people working new ideas over. (There are also fewer swears than at the average Monday meeting.) At this point, the book is technically out of your hands for a bit, though you need to ride herd and be available to answer questions and the like. Don't relax, though. After all, you're working on the outline for another and the text for a third at the same time. More on that later.

    The text comes in! Hooray! Pay schedules are submitted, redlines begin, there is rejoicing! Maybe. Sometimes text doesn't come in on time. Sometimes it doesn't come in at all, which is thankfully rare but boy howdy is it memorable. You may have some negotiating with authors here. You may have to utter dire threats, the worst of which may involve Rich. (We invoke Rich when things are getting so bad that the entire schedule may be affected. Rich has so much to do that he likes it when things can resolve themselves without him. He does not like it when he must be called in to "fix things." Kaiju noises are heard.)

    When redlining a first draft for revision, you may put a lot of red in the text. Authors should not be alarmed if a text drips with virtual blood. This is not abnormal, though obviously things are going great if there isn't as much need: the outline was clear, the author is in tune with your intent and is writing what you want, and they're writing it well. This is great when it happens. If not, well, you can offer corrective advice. This is good. An author who isn't told that they shouldn't be capitalizing "willworker" in a Mage context will probably continue to capitalize it. I should note that although there are some serious egos in the business, many more are deflated by the process of writing something that a developer turns out to say "I can't use this as is" or even "I can't use this at all." It can be mortifying. I've been there, myself; I co-wrote or wrote a couple of Vampire: the Masquerade supplements for Rob Hatch way back when and he was damn blunt about his criticism. Good thing, too; the books came out better for it.

    (Side note: Development is a lot like being required to make the trains run on time. Make of that what you will.)

    Okay, so final draft comes in. (Or doesn't; see above. Dire threats may ensue again, as might last-minute write-it-yourself. Fun.) Now it's time to fix everything that didn't get fixed by redlining, as well as to get everything in the proper format via style tags. The mechanics get the hairy eyeball here again, worse than before. You assemble all the drafts into a series of files that can be sent to editing and to Production, and in order: title page, fiction, opening credits (are they correct? Did you list all the books mentioned in the text in the credits page's legal text?), contents, and then chapters in order. If anything needs to be written by this point, be it a missing fiction fullpage or 15K of text, you better write it yourself. (Side note: You can plan in advance to write sections of a book. Usually you don't get paid for this sort of thing, it's just part of your job. I think. Maybe I screwed myself out of a payment somewhere...)

    Do you need quotes to open the chapters? Authors can supply them, but we don't insist on it. If a couple are missing, dig out the Bartlett's, go trolling the Internet, dig out one of your books to go looking for this quote you remembered reading last year that might be applicable, or open a file where you might have saved interesting pull-quotes for later. You'll need back-cover text, too, with the ISBN and stock numbers. This is the most intensive part of the process, and usually is allotted about a month. After all, this is where you need to get it right (though you have one final chance).

    Also, when the final text is due to editing, art notes are also due to your art director. In the case of core rulebooks, it may have been even sooner for part of them; you probably had to contract out some of the art well beforehand, for marketing purposes, for the sake of the bible, and to make sure cover art for the first supplement will come in on time. The art notes process involves a document in which you outline the book by word count and chapter (so they know how many pieces to contract and where), provide a list of how many portraits, symbols or "template art" figures you'll need, and generally offer some advice on the book's tone and what would be good to illustrate. It also involves creating is a set of the final text files, with passages underlined for the artists' use. Need a portrait? Underline that "Description:" section of the text. Want to drive Rich crazy? Devise a need for a lot more symbols or glyphs to draw, like for bloodlines or lodges or Legacies or Entitlements or Courts. (There were about twenty or so for him to do over the holidays break for Lords of Summer. Merry Christmas!)

    The book is at editing and art notes are away! Hooray, it's out of your hands! But you're not done. There's still the proofing stage when the book is mostly through Production, in which you should go over the laid-out text and make corrections as necessary. Like fixing those page XXs. Not too hard these days, since you can just search for them, but it can be time-consuming, particularly if you have one of those authors that really likes to refer elsewhere. You can tell they like to put in "see pg. XX" a lot if you find yourself changing a "see pg. XX" to "see below" because the material referenced is so close by, it's on the same page. You get two passes at this level of correction, too; one before the typesetter makes changes, one after the initial run.

    The book goes to the printer. After this, you will get a physical proof back, that you also need to look over and approve (alongside Production, who are freaking workhorses and deserve some attention in one of these LJ posts themselves). Once it's back from the printer, it's time for any "on publication" pay schedules to be submitted, and then warehouse requests for author copies to be sent out.

    And you're done! At this point, you start watching out for feedback, posting errata as need be, and generally taking some satisfaction that you have in your hands another printed book that you can call "yours," at least to some extent. Total elapsed time: Probably about a year from outline to shelf date, plus however long it was between initial pitch and outline. We do this six to eight times a year, staggered appropriately; one book at the authors while another's being outlined and another is in development.

    This isn't the end of developer duties, of course. There are other obligations, from supplying one-sheet text and participating in the process for other developers' core books or even board games, to fan contact, which may include things like… uh… writing a livejournal post. We don't work in a vacuum, as you've already noted. But as the books we make go, that is generally the developer's part, and it's the core of the job. It's a lot of work, particularly when you're juggling several books (and possibly even multiple lines) at once. But it is definitely rewarding, and every developer here (to be fair, everyone at White Wolf) is immensely grateful that you and people like you allow us to do this kind of work to make books for a living. Thank you, and I hope we do right by you in the process.

    Now that you know what we're doing, next time we'll talk some more about the how. If any of what you read above prompts more questions, awesome; let us know. Next week: either we'll talk about the math and the fudging and the ratio of each, or the how and why of pitching ideas. Tune in to find out which!

    — Ethan


    --
    Ring Name: “Bad Ass” Brian Glass
    Hails From: James Madison University, VA
    Angle: Tweener; can be talked into either side
    Style: Técnico/high-flyer
    Entrance Music: “Make the Logo Bigger,” Burn Back
    Working the Crowd: Throws savory bacon into the crowd
    Foreign Object: A busted up hockey stick
    Finishing Move: Broken Glass (top-turnbuckle falling fireman’s carry)
    Comments
    nearside From: [info]nearside Date: January 3rd, 2008 05:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Great stuff.
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Thanks! Be sure to let me know if I ramble on for a few weeks without covering anything you'd particularly like to see discussed.
    nearside From: [info]nearside Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Sure thing - I think most of the readers here would agree, though, that even the ramblings would be fairly educational :)
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 3rd, 2008 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I guess that explains all the "see page XX"'s that appear in the books.

    It doesn't however explain the "Muslims did such-and-such centuries before the birth of Christ" bit in the Ordo Dracul book. Which is to say, you might want to invest in some better fact-checkers (since, in this example, Islam didn't exist till the 7th century CE). ;)
    innocent_man From: [info]innocent_man Date: January 3rd, 2008 06:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
    GOD DAMN IT.

    How many freaking times do I have to explain this?

    I know when Islam was invented. I think what happened was, I wrote the first part of that sentence, got up to change my daughter's diaper or something, sat back down and finished another sentence that wasn't the one I'd started.

    Yes, it's embarrassing. Yes, the developer and/or the editor should've caught it. Yes, it would have been nice if I'd been given redlines for that book, because I tend to catch shit like that when I'm reviewing the text before turning the final draft in.

    But it's nothing to do with "fact-checking." I knew the facts. That paragraph is a particularly humiliating typo, that's all.

    Pant, pant, pant.
    From: (Anonymous) Date: January 3rd, 2008 06:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I'm pretty sure the guy who developed Dark Ages would know when Islam was invented. ;) I remember reading Ordo Dracul when that bit came up and I knew it was just a boo boo. And yeah, working at home with an infant can totally suck at times.
    innocent_man From: [info]innocent_man Date: January 3rd, 2008 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Actually, working at home with my daughter was surprisingly easy. She was always content to sack out on my lap while I was writing, and she was never a particularly fussy baby.

    Now, at age three, she has great trouble sleeping at night and is often up with nightmares, but that's another issue...
    eddyfate From: [info]eddyfate Date: January 3rd, 2008 06:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Commenting as both an established freelancer and frosh developer, I know that mistakes have crept into my own writing over the years, and more than a few made it to print (such as transistor technology in the 1940s or putting the completely wrong version of a spell in MET: Awakening). Ultimately, game companies produce a ton of content on short notice, and while we all try our best to catch everything, the numbers game means that mistakes are going to get through, and it's hard because no one can see the dozens and dozens of mistakes that are caught in the revision process. I know I personally just cringe and try harder to catch more mistakes the next time, while accepting that the next one is waiting around the next corner to pounce.
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:32 am (UTC) (Link)
    Oh, there are TONS of mistakes in the WW books, but those are mostly grammatical: mission punctuation; extraneous words or letters; missing content; sentences or sentence fragments which blend into one another, etc. As irritating as they are, and as unprofessional as they seem, they are pretty minor, easy to overlook, and insignificant when compared to the value of the finished product.

    It's the historical/factual things which irk me.
    wwricht From: [info]wwricht Date: January 4th, 2008 02:06 am (UTC) (Link)
    Uh, seriously, if you're going to make a post like this you need to be able to step up and provide some concrete examples. As anyone who follows our LJ knows, I'm not about making excuses for or being satisfied with editing errors, but "TONS of mistakes"? I know you mention further on that you don't have your books handy, but you need to back that up. And the first printing of Changeling the Lost doesn't count. ;)

    We can't improve if we don't have specific examples-

    Thanks-

    --richt
    bringeroflight From: [info]bringeroflight Date: January 6th, 2008 11:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Well, I'm sure you know about the hilarity in the (from memory) Lancea Sanctum book where one of the side bars goes on to have one of the internal notes from the design team discussing how to set up the sidebar in question...
    From: (Anonymous) Date: January 4th, 2008 12:24 am (UTC) (Link)

    Woah

    Uh, calm down, man. I'm sure you got some flak for that, but its a pretty reasonable comment. You made a pretty simple mistake, but it wound up being a big one. My muslim friends were apalled by it too, as were my Catholic friends. It happens. And I'm sure you were pissed off at yourself and at the editors, and I'm sure you're tired of people bringing it up, but that poster didn't know you and it sounds like they didn't know you'd ever explained it before. So calm down.

    And it IS a fact checking issue. The book contained a wrong statement. Something was stated in the book which was untrue -- when you write about history, especially when it's something that controversial, you're going to have to expect some flak.
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:44 am (UTC) (Link)

    Re: Woah

    Thanks, I think?

    I guess the fact of the matter is, you might know what the facts are, but if the book you write says something else then your actual knowledge is irrelevant. That's not what people read. I might know everything there is to know about the Second Temple period, but if I publish a paper in which I've accidentally written that Herod was a Libyan, then I'm going to catch hell for it. In the end, we have to explain what happened as many times as people read our works and ask about it.

    Look on the bright side: you get paid whether you make mistakes or not!

    Edited at 2008-01-04 12:49 am (UTC)
    From: (Anonymous) Date: January 4th, 2008 12:25 am (UTC) (Link)

    Woah

    Uh, calm down, man. I'm sure you got some flak for that, but its a pretty reasonable comment. You made a pretty simple mistake, but it wound up being a big one. My muslim friends were apalled by it too, as were my Catholic friends. It happens. And I'm sure you were pissed off at yourself and at the editors, and I'm sure you're tired of people bringing it up, but that poster didn't know you and it sounds like they didn't know you'd ever explained it before.

    And it IS a fact checking issue. The book contained a wrong statement. Something was stated in the book which was untrue -- when you write about history, especially when it's something that controversial, you're going to have to expect some flak.
    innocent_man From: [info]innocent_man Date: January 3rd, 2008 06:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
    However, your icon is awesome.
    nearside From: [info]nearside Date: January 3rd, 2008 08:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Your current icon takes just a second. Lando as Bender. My brain!
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:49 am (UTC) (Link)
    As is yours.
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 08:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Have page XXs been a problem lately? I know they were classically, but much like feeble indexing, they've been something we've been trying to work on more fervently for quite some time. An old joke, but one would hope a joke that's no longer accurate.

    As for fact-checkers, well, we're them. Unfortunately, investing in a professional fact-checker isn't something that is quite budgeted the way it would be for a journalistic publisher, though it would be nice to have some bookish person in a musty archive you could go to. Heck, I'd just like the musty archive. Those places are terrific.
    digitalraven From: [info]digitalraven Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I've not noticed it. Admittedly, that's because we've been putting in actual page numbers from published books where we have access to them, which cuts down drastically (I dread to think how many XX's in The World of Darkness rulebook I left in The Rage).
    mythicfox From: [info]mythicfox Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
    As for fact-checkers, well, we're them. Unfortunately, investing in a professional fact-checker isn't something that is quite budgeted the way it would be for a journalistic publisher, though it would be nice to have some bookish person in a musty archive you could go to.

    Not to sound snarky, but I sometimes wonder where the fans get their ideas about how much cash companies have to throw around on fact-checkers and the like. My friend, Sean, was the guy who wrote the Sangiovanni chapter of Bloodlines: the Chosen, and about half of the fan feedback he got on it was how he should have hired professional translators (or consulted the Good People of the Internet(tm) to help him, despite the fact that this was for a competition at first and an NDA'd project later) to help him pick a name for their signature Discipline. While 'Cattiveria' has a nice ring to it, it didn't actually have the exact connotaions in the original Italian that he'd been led to believe. (Although I've told him that if the biggest problem anybody's actually had with the chapter was the name of the Discipline, then odds are it came out pretty well.)
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:02 am (UTC) (Link)
    Oh, I understand elements like that. If there had ever been fact-checkers, I would assume they'd been ditched when the WoD stopped being so intimately connected to historical events.

    It might just be the academic in me though, the one who put years into Religious Studies, Classical History, and Jewish Civ. and is expected to have 100% accuracy in my references without the luxury of even considering hiring a fact-checker. But it's still hard for me to hear people insisting that something they're getting paid for, something they're selling, shouldn't have to meet the same standards a High School freshman essay is expected to meet. That's my own personal bitterness though.

    Edited at 2008-01-04 12:54 am (UTC)
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 4th, 2008 01:45 am (UTC) (Link)
    I don't think anybody's insisting that we shouldn't have to meet those standards. We're not proud of our mistakes. I don't think we're even dismissive of them. When they show up, the best we can do is admit it, and either offer an explanation (which may seem like we're making excuses) or offer no explanation (which can be read as "We don't owe you an explanation!"). I think we do owe an explanation, so even if it looks like we're making excuses, we'll tend to offer them.

    As game publishers, we assuredly cover more subject matter than we are academically qualified to act as authorities concerning; that's what the demand is for. The audience as a whole wants to see us cover lots of things, from history to folklore to weapon information to geography, all of course with the setting "twists" that make the books more useful for their games than academic works would be. A splatbook might reference Roman-era military conquests, Chinese pop culture, Italian cuisine and Argentinian geography all in the same book, and it's probably a given that nobody working on the book is an expert in all of those things. And unfortunately, errors do slip through; White Wolf isn't the size of our fanbase, and so it's easier for the few of us on a project to miss out on an error that at least a few of the book's few thousand readers will notice.

    It's not really something that we think should be the way it is. We do try to run stuff we're unclear about past people we know who know more about that sort of thing; World of Darkness: Military is right now undergoing some extra attention based on the comments of some enlisted readers, and I've tried to flag down the appropriate fans to double-check some German or Portuguese (specifically, the Brazilian dialect) that was going to go into a book. But we are definitely without fact-checkers, and few of us are experts on all the subject material we are asked to cover in a game: though we do try to better ourselves with each book.
    bringeroflight From: [info]bringeroflight Date: January 6th, 2008 11:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Have you thought of appealing to the fan base for individuals with relevant qualifications (and, you know, actual qualifications rather than armchair professors) or experience in certain fields of work and creating a database of people to check stuff with?

    You've probably got enough fans who'd do it for a name check.
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 7th, 2008 03:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
    We actually do this when we can; particularly if a book is all about a particular topic, and therefore we could identify what the most important qualifications for fact-checking would be. World of Darkness: Military is undergoing some of that, for instance, with a double-check from folks with military experience.

    The trouble is, problems also arise in books that cover a wide range of topics. Take an order book for Mage; theoretically you could run one chapter past a history professor, another past a philosophy professor, and the whole book past a sociologist to check for cultural inaccuracies. We don't really have a system going where we can build in extra time for that level of checking, particularly for every book: and every book could use it. Though things are looking a bit brighter for us sales-wise, we still need to hit deadlines regularly and be able to get books out fast enough to react to the market.

    Hence, why the developer must take it upon himself to be the primary fact-checker, and shoulder the burden for errors. If we can arrange for an additional pair of eyes or two, we'll do it; but we'd need a bit more breathing room in the schedule than is really possible to have the ideal variety of qualified fact-checkers looking over every book.
    bringeroflight From: [info]bringeroflight Date: January 7th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
    True, that can be more problematic. And of course, maintaining such a network then becomes problematic when you need to get God knows how many contracted writers contacting people...
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:03 am (UTC) (Link)
    Maybe it's just been the books I've been picking up, but it's been a pretty regular problem as far as I've seen.

    On the plus side, it's usually no more than two-to-three per book.
    digitalraven From: [info]digitalraven Date: January 4th, 2008 12:23 am (UTC) (Link)
    Which books are those, out of interest?
    the_pangolin From: [info]the_pangolin Date: January 4th, 2008 12:28 am (UTC) (Link)
    That I can't recall. I don't have them on me right now (I'm out of state) but off the top of my head, I remember it happening pretty regularly in the Mage books and the Vampire ones. I only bought the core W:tF book, but I think it happened there too.

    Again on the plus side, I don't remember it happening even once in the Promethean line.
    allamistako From: [info]allamistako Date: January 4th, 2008 09:06 am (UTC) (Link)
    The only book I remember seeing some "Page xx" in recently was "Sanctum & Sigil", but I havn't been picking up all that much...
    From: (Anonymous) Date: January 4th, 2008 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
    The Roll of Glorious Divinity I (for Exalted) had an p. XX error on page 123.
    wisenboi From: [info]wisenboi Date: January 3rd, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Thanks for a breakdown of the production process. Semi-related to that, 143k words equates to roughly how many pages, with or without image constraints on top of your standard margins?
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Generally, a 224-page World of Darkness book runs between 140 and 145K, given the amount of art and graphics that is essential to our house style. It might be different for Exalted or Scion; things like header size and layout style do mean that the average words-per-page varies by line, particularly when you're talking non-WoD stuff.
    wisenboi From: [info]wisenboi Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Cool, that sounds/reads about right. Curiously, I've noticed so far that the Free Council book seems to be on the light end of the order books released currently. Was there any particular constraints that had kept it down in page count and/or was it given to the nature (historically and otherwise) of the FC?
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I couldn't say personally, not having worked on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was simply an experiment with the "don't be afraid to do different things with books" policy that Rich is keen to impress on us. I went more toward the larger side when plotting Adamantine Arrow and Silver Ladder, just because it seemed that folks were preferring the larger books.
    sindaran_ainu From: [info]sindaran_ainu Date: January 3rd, 2008 07:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Talk Math! I love Math!
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Perhaps I shall. Who can say?
    jedi_mario From: [info]jedi_mario Date: January 3rd, 2008 08:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Man, this is awesome. Makes me consider applying for a job with WW or another RPG company. Gotta finish college first, though. =O)

    I really look forward to your and Rich's posts every week. Looking forward to your next one, Ethan!
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Thanks! We should eventually settle into a regular Monday (Meeting)/Wednesday (Development)/Friday (Rich) schedule, and then I would not be surprised if we conquer more from there.

    Also, your icon is made of exceptional. We approve of deathknights in this house, and of that art in particular.
    wisenboi From: [info]wisenboi Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Nobody loves Zoidberg :( .
    jedi_mario From: [info]jedi_mario Date: January 4th, 2008 12:36 am (UTC) (Link)
    That's because Arthas is the pimp of all Deathknights. =OD
    nightspear From: [info]nightspear Date: January 3rd, 2008 09:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I do enjoy these posts, they help me explain to people that writing a gaming book is not just some nerd in a dark office typing away at an old Commodore 64. *grins*

    Also, why does Brian throw bacon into the crowd? I would have thought he'd poke people with his walker. >.>
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
    No, sometimes I put the overhead light on.

    I'm not sure why Brian is currently associated with bacon, and he sounded like he wasn't either. It's easier to throw bacon into the crowd when you're in the ring, though, unless you have a really long walker.
    digitalraven From: [info]digitalraven Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
    So basically, your pitch may not look quite the same when you've run it past all those people you see mentioned every Monday Meeting, but it comes out better for it.

    I noticed the same thing. When working on Æternal Legends, having Malcolm there to critique my pitch, then my outline, and the redlines was a huge help. Without it, I'd have wakka-wakka elves with pointy ears and a fetish for trees. With it, I got the badass children of Gods and men.

    If you've only got one person looking at a pitch, as you have with most indie games, then you might get a stronger vision of what the game "should" look like, but you lose out on all the genius that other people can bring to the creative process.

    (There are also fewer swears than at the average Monday meeting.)

    Until Aaron and I start disagreeing, at least. ;)

    I'm hard at work on one of the 6th game supplements, and it's very interesting to see what's gone on to get to the point that I can write, and then what's going on with the words I submit between the cheque and the final printing date.

    It's also weird seeing the differences—and similarities—between relatively large press and very small press.

    I would have a question, but all it'd be is my whinging about giving the writers Word templates with the styles, so I'll shush and let interesting people talk.
    cernunnos From: [info]cernunnos Date: January 3rd, 2008 10:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
    I have to say, I really love the fact that you guys are doing these livejournal posts. It's really great to get the behind the scenes viewpoint.


    A question for you, although I think I may already know the answer.

    Is there a reason you haven't released PDF versions of the books with the books? Like, if you buy a copy of the book, there's a cd with it, or a download or something?

    Personally, I don't like marking up books with bookmarks and notes, however it's easy to do in a PDF format with no lasting damage.
    I figure the only reason it's not done is due to piracy issues...

    Edited at 2008-01-03 10:17 pm (UTC)
    From: [info]eskemp Date: January 4th, 2008 01:15 am (UTC) (Link)
    To be honest, I can't answer that one. I would guess that it's a matter of the alternative publishing arm still growing, and us still figuring out what's possible for us to do reliably and well. I do know that the PDFs Production creates for the printers aren't the same things as the ones DriveThru creates and sells, so there's an added step there that I have no real personal experience with.

    Drop Rich a comment on his next post, or check the comments of the last (I think it might've been brought up there); I'm sure he can give you an answer I can't.
    ipsi From: [info]ipsi Date: January 5th, 2008 09:39 am (UTC) (Link)
    The one biggest difference is that the Back cover is the second page - that's not really very handy for printing. I'm a bit surprised though. I would have expected them to be basically the same. Well, I would probably have assumed them to be different formats (is it actually PDFs for the printers?), but if they're the same format I would have assumed they'd be the same thing for both printing and DriveThru.
    eddyfate From: [info]eddyfate Date: January 5th, 2008 03:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
    PDFs created for printers are formatted differently. Some of the things I've noticed are that they are larger (both in page size and in file size) and contain "crop marks" to tell printers where to cut and to allow for a certain amount of bleed if the printer cuts slightly differently. What's worse, it appears that PDFs have to be formatted differently even between printers! I'm looking into ways to expediate the process and cut down on grunt work for our production folks, but at the moment it's all at the experimental stage.
    ipsi From: [info]ipsi Date: January 5th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
    That's a pain. Good luck on making the process easier... If I were trying, my initial attempt would be automated scripts to do everything, assuming it's consistant and logical. If it's not, then you're a bit screwed :(.
    bringeroflight From: [info]bringeroflight Date: January 6th, 2008 11:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
    Yes, yes they do. I worked in a printing firm for a short time, and incorrectly formatted PDFs made us cry.
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