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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:9932</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Breakfast thought</title>
    <published>2008-07-28T17:57:35Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-28T17:57:35Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Right before I ate breakfast this morning, I asked for some spiritual insight. It is ironic how I can ask something assuming that it 'might' happen later in the day and find the prayer answered immediately, with certainly. I had barely finished praying before I thought of guilt. I have things to feel guilty about-- even terrible. Regrets, sure. A red-flag went up, since this seemed like a place I had been before. The words of my best friend came ringing out from the caverns of my memory: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Guilt is a useless emotion"-Thom&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It's something that I have contested him on, for the sake of contesting. Could it really be so useless? He and I went as far as to distinguish it from regret, which was entirely useless, and feeling repentant. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...something new came to mind this morning when I considered the focus of guilt versus a truer repentance. Guilt is, by nature, retroactively focused toward an event we are responsible for. A truer repentance is really proactively focused. It's something that, rather than abhorring that unchangeable past event, avoids at all costs committing the act again. True repentance precludes guilt. It prefers prevention to punishment.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It is easier said than done, however. We pay lip service to being free from punishment but it's actually a concept that mankind adores. We generally mix up our own desires with God's. We think that God punishes and that we want to avoid being punished. I don't think that's the truth of the matter. Search your feelings: would you rather take the punishment and keep indulging in the offense? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...I think that guilt is our way of punishing ourselves to bandage the cognitive dissonance between our ideologies and our behavior. Rather than resolve the dissonance, the guilt enables us to pretend we're living our ideals and that the deviance is an anomaly.</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:9633</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Truncated from my journal</title>
    <published>2008-07-18T02:35:11Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-18T02:35:11Z</updated>
    <content type="html">"Have any of you heard of uncertainty reduction theory?" the instructor asked us this morning in Organizational Communication. I raised my hand--I knew it from Interpersonal. The point was that employees would typically rather have BAD news than be left in the dark...would rather know they were being laid off in a month than waiting for the axe to drop. The worry inherent in this uncertainty is destructive to organizations. While I was meditating, I remembered uncertainty reduction theory. We want to be certain of things and that is justifiable. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We have an appetite for certainty. I happened to be getting hungry at that point, so I took the opportunity to compare my appetites. Is it not true that, day to day, hunger tells us to nourish our bodies? Is it not also true that, day by day, an unchecked stomach will destroy the body? At least we know when we are full when we begin to satiate our hunger. Certainty is something slippier. Sure, it is natural to seek useful information, even as much as we can get, but there is a point at which we run out of data. There is no more. We might know the bus is coming but we do not have a GPS unit in that bus. When we have gathered all the information that we reasonably/possibly can, then our appetite for certainty turns against us--- it goes unchecked and devours us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And I'll give you people a little tip: you can't know it all. Certainty is beyond what we can fathom. If we do not hold that appetite in check, it can only take us AWAY from truth. Worry is the frustration of that craving for certainty.  Worry breeds fear, bitterness and distraction. &lt;br /&gt;I also came to the conclusion---- just like people can eat great quantities and NEVER EVER get the nutrition they need to stay healthy because all the junk they consume is totally lacking in vitamins----that craving to be totally certain about every little ambiguous moment can prevent us from being certain of the things we OUGHT to be certain of and, with Faith, we may indeed become sure of. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Any thoughts?&lt;/b&gt;</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:9439</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>A Thing to Think About</title>
    <published>2008-07-09T13:19:41Z</published>
    <updated>2008-07-09T13:22:47Z</updated>
    <content type="html">When we talk about the Sacrifice of Jesus we fixate on the crucifixion. Certainly, Jesus's death was a part of his Sacrifice but I believe it is a mistake to characterize this act as the entire Sacrifice of Jesus. Jesus made the Sacrifice in the desert (Luke chapter 4) long before he walked the road to Golgotha. Carrying the cross was the conclusion. When the Adversary tempted him, Jesus Sacrificed his life not to death but to ministry--which his death was a key component in but not the ultimate point-of. If it were, why Rise? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Jesus's Sacrifice was abandoning the idea of a normal life to begin a ministry. He was rejected by his home town and the religious leaders but continued to live as a single, transient man doing the Father's work. Even if you do not believe Jesus is the Messiah, you cannot deny that this is a greater Sacrifice than just living the way he wanted until his crucifixion. Without the ministry, the crucifixion doesn't mean much. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What I am saying to you is this: serving God is a lifestyle, not a single great act. Am I correct?</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:9167</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Epiphany</title>
    <published>2007-09-26T12:18:45Z</published>
    <updated>2007-09-26T12:18:45Z</updated>
    <content type="html">...I just realized, I may have had an epiphany that could cause me to be ostricised from the larger Christian community. I was walking back from the music building thinking about belief and I said to myself "That's it"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;I believe the secret to the Christian faith may actually lie in the teachings of an early, radical, Jewish-Christian teacher.&lt;/b&gt; His name was Jesus and he lived right around the beginning of this religion as we know it. &lt;br /&gt;I've delayed revealing this revelation because I know it runs against the grain of our society. For example, this Jesus's teachings are in direct opposition to the branch of Christianity our esteemed President, George Bush, believes in-- you know, the one that condones bombing cities as long as you save unborn babies. It's also in opposition to some Christians' general ethic~~ which dictates that churches are better if they're large and contain people of similar origin. Not to mention, these teachings go against human nature in general.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Never the less, I think these teachings may be worth exploration and even enhance my faith. ...I never was one for big, bomb-loving, excuse making bodies anyway. I might have to radicalize my faith. I hope none of you mind if I start to beg to differ sometimes. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel like religion should be a spiritual thing. I know that's unconventional... but... oh well...</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:8748</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Back to Spirituality... (an attempt to nutshell it... maybe?)</title>
    <published>2007-08-26T20:27:31Z</published>
    <updated>2007-08-26T20:27:31Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Last school year was set apart from the previous two years mostly because, by last fall, I had become much more sure of who I am and what makes me tick. Granted, my self-hood remained ambiguous even then and remains in process. Never the lesss, I started off last year not in a position of fear and searching but in a more settled state. As some of you may recall, I became a little more distant and self-sufficient. Of course, spirituality is at the center of all my development-- whether I know it or not. I needn't elaborate for pages... the topic weaves through this journal. &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp;&amp;nbsp; Last year, I returned from Kinawind fairly confident that I was 'repaired' or something of that nature. I very quickly became enamored on this idea-- so much so that the focus of my life became NOT connecting with God and building spirituality but showing people that I was 'fixed' of all my problems from spring of 06. Clearly, and I don't care what you believe of our creator, that isn't what God had in mind. So... God and I had a more touch and go relationship. He touched me and I went in the directions that made sense to me at the time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That brings us to this May-- I knew I would be working at Christian camp ... &lt;a name="cutid1"&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;div class="ljcut" text="{Continues}"&gt;I remember a particular thunderstorm the scared the spit out of me-- I would have journaled all about it had it not been for my slow computer connection in Cass. I got lazy and didn't bother. The long story will have to be skipped. I ended up in the middle of a huge field with my dog as a rather impressive thunderstorm rolled in. I discovered a sudden awareness of God. I thought of him each day as an abstract and a memory-- but watching the dark clouds as they cruised over the fields shooting out lightening really made God concrete for me (oh like you can only imagine...).&amp;nbsp; Yes, I understand the science of the thing... but when you're dealing with something as random as lightening you can't help but wonder: "Isn't the Big Guy the only one who could save me if the physics are a toss-up--- or strike me?" &lt;br /&gt;Of course, it's mostly the trauma of knowing your life is in danger--- it shakes the heart. God obviously didn't send a T-storm after me... but I do wonder what possessed me to walk that far from home... and wonder also about the ways the Spirit moves in people when they are shaken. {Music does that sometimes...}&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I couldn't help but recall how, months earlier , I'd felt God was sending me off to Judson Collins with a specific purpose-- help maintain the staff. In hindsight, it might have been a message like the oracle gives in the Matrix: tell him what he needs to hear. On the otherhand... that was spot-on! There were problems on the staff... of a breadth I never managed to approach though I wondered many times how I might. In any case, I entered staff training with a different attitude than I might have otherwise. I was a little more go-getting because of the way I understood my mission. I chose to believe I had been called-- called by the wind to apply to Kinawind (I mean that-- I heard a gust of wind and mysteriously thought of Kinawind and why I should go. God induced? You know I think so...) and called by circumstance to be elsewhere in the conference. &lt;br /&gt;I suppose I already had a lot of what it took in me to do my job-- but I pursued it ardently. I nearly said zealously... but I think ardently describes my feelings more than my behavior. I kept myself reigned in externally... but internally I tried to stay focused. I threw myself into quiet-time with a special seriousness... trying desperately to make-up for any connection I had lost. I found my passion for the Word remained, buried under the excuses I pile ontop sometimes. The bottomline, if I might skip there, was that I did get a faith reinforcement and a stronger sense of God.&amp;nbsp; Not to mention, I was fighting like heck the temptation to think much about my girlfriend at home---- or fall in love with my co-worker. &lt;br /&gt;I get a 50% score.... lol... oh well... &lt;br /&gt;Yes, I found myself drawn to Christie for several reasons. It was during my week deliberating on that matter-- when she and I were co-counseling for some reason; the first week of all-- that I had a defining moment. *lightbulb* *starts playing "Defining Moment" by Newsong* Early in the morning, I woke up a little worried. I was exercising fairly good discipline at the time, so I began to pray and meditate before the kids woke-up. I was pensive-- about normal things like running the programming and about 'special circumstance' as well. I opened up my devotional booklet, finally, and smiled almost immediately. The scripture was from the book of &lt;b&gt;Nehemiah&lt;/b&gt;. Nehemiah is one of my favorite Bible-guys aside from Jesus. Nehemiah was away in captivity, cup-bearer to the king of Persia, when he heard that Jerusalem was in poor shape. What did he do? He took action-- first he prayed to God about it and THEN he got his BUTT IN GEAR. He went to Jerusalem and got the wall-rebuilding project rolling. Not only that... he brought ethical and moral reform with him. The guy listened to God and put it into action-- he was fearless. Not just fearless of the sword, fearless of using his discretion and telling people what they needed to hear instead of what they wanted to hear. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After reading the passage from Nehemiah and reflecting on Nehemiah, I felt a subtle feeling coming over me. It wasn't the "fire" of the Spirit that I'm also familiar with-- reassurance of God's overwhelmingness. This was more like the Peace-- but not just rest. I interpreted this Peace as an "I am with you" from God. I chose to believe it. I could have wished it away, I'm sure... I'm sure I have before. It means taking up your 'pack' and acting less like Jonas(who ran the other way) and more like Nehemiah. I said "I buy it". That was one of the few days we had a down-pour of rain. Exigiencies were popping up left and right. As much as I wanted to believe that God had simply reassured me because he loved me, it seemed as though he wanted to prepare me as well. I came to the conclusion that it was because he loved me that he sent a clearer sense of his presence...&lt;br /&gt;...then I thought more and more about it and became encouraged in new ways. I knew he must be with me at all times if I choose to connect-- but was extra present on a day where He knew I would need to "know".&amp;nbsp; The more important realization was this: God being with me didn't mean that I was going to everything perfectly. I think we make that mistake and when something falls through a bit we go "Well...shucks... God wasn't in me after all!!!" &lt;br /&gt;I decided "God is with me if I totally fuck-up. I, as well as He, would prefer I did not-- but God reassured me that he had my back so I know that I should be bold and trust He'll pick up the pieces when things go bad". That's right: God is with you in your fuck-ups. Never the less... I was trying extra hard not to get out of control and make any situation worse. I just believed that God had given me the power too be effectual--- at the end of the first week, I politely criticised our program director infront of the whole group. The rest of the summer, I struggled with my feelings toward that program director... &lt;br /&gt;Perhaps the strongest evidence I was on 'the path' this summer was the kind of resistance I encountered-- and the rewards as well. It was highstakes and I knew it. I braced myself for it... I coped or even more than coped. I fully believed~ I possessed confidence. &lt;br /&gt;So many stories to tell-- would you believe me if I told you? If I made out my hero's tale for you? Maybe if I told you about the low times, you would believe me... I was a far cry from Nehemiah. At the same time, I knew I was headed in a direction like his... it was a good feeling: to be on a mission from God.&lt;br /&gt;*cue the Blues Brothers music* ... *okay, you can cut it now* &lt;br /&gt;It is hard to argue with a thunderstorm-- I requested one for my testimony, the second to last week of camp. He sent it-- in spades. It poured seas only minutes after I had finished speaking.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When I came back to Cass, I lost myself. I let my prayer and meditation slip away quickly. My music slipped too... my everything slipped eventually. Eight days after my return, I felt symptoms of my depression come upon me. My girlfriend scooped me up and did the best she could with me-- we even went and got devotion books (hers is in the mail right now). I think that she would agree, along with my father, in saying that I can only handle unstructured time for so long... I need a mission. &lt;br /&gt;Now that I have returned to college, what will my mission be?&lt;br /&gt;Will I restore my discipline and make that basic connection again? I have plans to...&lt;br /&gt;Will God bring me back into service as a leader or some other significant capacity? I pray so...&lt;br /&gt;Will I have to be in people's faces like Nehemiah was sometimes-- and like I was a few times this summer? I don't want to... but... you know how it is... &lt;br /&gt;...Will I put my life's mission in God's eyes first? WIll I reconnect with the larger community of people who feel called to something?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This morning, God knew I was coming to UUMC. Two of my favorite hymns were played; the sermon? It was about 'standing up straight'. &lt;br /&gt;After my three weeks of doldrums and reticience, I'm ready to stand tall again. I pray the same for you and ask that you pray to God on my behalf for it. It, in this case, being whatever it takes to make me present with God. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...hey... I should post this to the Wesley_Lounge, shouldn't I?</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:8512</id>
    <author>
      <name>just alex for now</name>
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    <lj:poster user="poor_cinderalex"/>
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    <title>Let's Get It Started In Here</title>
    <published>2007-04-19T20:30:21Z</published>
    <updated>2007-04-20T00:26:03Z</updated>
    <content type="html">This community has been inactive for far too long. I am here to revive the discussion. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So here's a question: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;How do you pray?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;ETA: Certainly, depending on how you define prayer, you could, even should, always be praying, in everything that you do. But I know that I'm not usually consciously directing my words and actions towards God. (Maybe I should work on that. ;)) What I'm asking is this: when &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; decide to communicate something to God, how do &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; do that? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you pray with words? Your own words or Jesus' or a psalmist's? Loudly? In a whisper? Inside your head? Do you write? Or sing? Or dance? Or play an instrument? Do you go for a walk? Do you light a candle or dribble a basketball? Do you paint? Do you pray while you drive? Before you eat? In bed at night? Do you read the bible? Do you clear your mind and meditate?</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:8208</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Testing the Waters...</title>
    <published>2007-02-13T03:37:54Z</published>
    <updated>2007-02-13T03:37:54Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Here's a broad discussion question:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;How do we avoid complacency and ineffectuality as Christians? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;That can open a number of doors and I purposely will not elaborate. Let's see some signs of life.</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:7963</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>In a different tense...</title>
    <published>2007-01-31T14:00:35Z</published>
    <updated>2007-01-31T14:01:47Z</updated>
    <content type="html">&lt;font color="#ff99cc"&gt;&lt;font color="#ffffff"&gt;Jesus said something wise once, which came to be called the Golden Rule. It's not a principle unique to Christianity--- but something central to it.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;"Do unto others as you would have done unto you." &lt;font color="#ffffff"&gt;Treat people how you would like to be treated... in the future. &lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ffffff"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ffffff"&gt;How about this, though: &lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff99cc"&gt;&lt;font color="#993366"&gt;"Do unto others as you would have&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt; ^had^&lt;/font&gt; &lt;font color="#993366"&gt;done unto you." &lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font color="#ffffff"&gt;I only changed the tense, you see--- now it's how you would prefer to be treated in the past. Think a second... it's a little more specific. Now there's no hypothetical because that is the way you actually prefer to be treated under those circumstances--what-ifs aside. That doesn't work in all cases&lt;br /&gt;BUT&lt;br /&gt;...how many times do we see people struggling through something and think (or even say) "I had to go through that too... welcome to the school of hard-knocks" or "yeah... I dealt with that too... good luck with all that" or "Quit whining... it will toughen you up." Didn't we wish, at the time, that someone would have coddled us a little? Or didn't someone, perhaps? &lt;br /&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;Treat others both how you would want to be treated (in the future) and how you wanted to be treated when times were hard for you in the past.&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/font&gt;</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:7709</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Drifters Club (baby)</title>
    <published>2007-01-19T18:37:46Z</published>
    <updated>2007-01-19T18:42:23Z</updated>
    <content type="html">*NOTE: Any references to the OED are not assaults on anyone's intelligience, just the exercise of a new found appreciation for word choice. Call it me being a more intense English major.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I happened to write a meeting down on the wrong date--- and so found myself at 300 Bessey Hall without cause. On the walk back to Old Hort to get my bike, the song "Trademark" by Reliant K shuffled to the surface (pun intended... I have an iPod shuffle). It's a song about what I have come to call 'the drift'. &lt;br /&gt;At first I was tempted to define the drift&amp;nbsp; as a&amp;nbsp; 'movement of prodigality' (in reference to the &lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50189312?query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=prodigal&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10&amp;amp;sort_type=alpha&amp;amp;result_place=1&amp;amp;search_id=K6L6-1tFBPX-8017&amp;amp;hilite=50189312"&gt;prodigal &lt;/a&gt;son) but that refers more to extravegancies in ones material means and I don't mean that--- though that might find its place in some people's drift. I'm refering to the push-pull we experiene between spiritual &lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50274376?single=1&amp;amp;query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=vagrancy&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10"&gt;vagrancy&lt;/a&gt;&amp;nbsp; (not to be confused with '&lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50274377?query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=vagrancy&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10&amp;amp;single=1&amp;amp;sort_type=alpha"&gt;vagrant&lt;/a&gt;' the noun but to imply our affair with &lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50274379?query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=vagrancy&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10&amp;amp;single=1&amp;amp;sort_type=alpha"&gt;vagrantism&lt;/a&gt; ITESELF) and striving for the divine. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think that everyone can agree that there is never a spiritual balance point of any kind--- some state of spirituality that can remain stagnantly good. The closest is the *&lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50068258?query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=dogmatic&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10&amp;amp;single=1&amp;amp;sort_type=alpha"&gt;dogmatic&lt;/a&gt; ignorance of possibilities that you find in atheism... or a coma. There's often more to be learned from a &lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/50044523?single=1&amp;amp;query_type=word&amp;amp;queryword=comatose&amp;amp;first=1&amp;amp;max_to_show=10"&gt;comatose&lt;/a&gt; person (about listening, at the very least). &lt;font color="#ccffff"&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;that was meant light-heartedly, even though it's true.&lt;/font&gt; In any case, there is no balance point: it's like a car whose alignment is off. There's a little or a LOT of weave going on during any give name (given day... I need a break... woo... darn this work!! lol). Humans are not perfect nor stable. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* I promised myself I would not rant on larger issues... it's just too much... lol...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Seriously, before I get onto a passionate tangent, I would like to state for the record that it is natural and inecapable to be continuously drfiting between the lines on the road. I think that best thing we can do for each other is.... talk through it!!!&amp;nbsp; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, all tangents aside,... &lt;b&gt;*bangs gavel* Welcome to the drifters club!!! Any comments?&lt;/b&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:7493</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Dove on the shoulder...</title>
    <published>2007-01-17T15:04:22Z</published>
    <updated>2007-01-17T15:04:22Z</updated>
    <content type="html">We all do it. Jesus did try to warn us, in the parable of the sower, that we would sometimes be "choked by the worries and cares of the world" as if by weeds. I'm the same as anyone else and my focus drifts away from Spiritual matters (sometimes for long periods of time) only to come back during an over-long dinner prayer... hoping the connection isn't lost. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In this way and others, Faith can become ambiguous for us (I'm usually not sure how to define it, so I'll leave you to do that, reader). Even in the presence of soul, intellect and emotion... we are still in animal bodies, walking through a buzzing world of stimuli---and 'things to do'. It's like swimming under-water in a murky river--- even with a diving mask, one see mostly shadows of this spiritual universe. Or perhaps it's like a foggy night in an unfamiliar place--- an unsearched patch of woods or swamp-- where from moment to moment the range of our vision is 10 feet,&amp;nbsp; 30 feet, 10 again, and six the next as the mist gobbles up the air and then disperses again. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A friend and I were talking about Faith and I mentioned something about a 'clear moment'. My friend was almost offended at first and stated that she had never had that clear moment where she became Christian. I wonder if I surprised her when I said "me niether... not that moment". Infact, I'm skeptical of those testimonials. I don't remember a clear, lightning bolt moment where I first became Christian. I didn't see the Dove of the Spirit descend from heaven. For me, it was a few months later when I woke up one morning and realized that the Spirit had come down. Veiled in the sense, swimming in the&amp;nbsp; murky water, hidden behind the fog.... I didn't quite know it was happening. I knew something was happening, but it was only later that I achieved a quiet and ordinary moment of clarity where I went&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"I'm a REAL Christian now... as of a couple months ago, I suppose... I guess being re-born can be like being born--- you don't really remember."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what is the clear moment I mentioned? I had a moment in mind. It isn't the Dove descending from heaven moment. Those happen all the time but we're like octopi missing a meteor shower... muscling open clams beneath the surface of the ocean. My clear moment wasn't seeing the Dove descend....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;My moment was glancing at my shoulder and seeing the Dove perched there... with a pile of poop underneath that said "Yeah....... I've been coming here for a while now... .... coo!"&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One night at Pentwater, I searched outer space for God... I searched a lake Michigan beach. I opened my senses to God... &lt;br /&gt;...and it was probably my senses that distracted me. God can come through the senses, but he doesn't live in them. &lt;br /&gt;It was later that night that I finally prayed "God... if you're not there then I'm going to just live and die thinking that you are..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...and it was at that moment that the strangest look came across a certain peer minister's face... and he asked me to pray. &lt;br /&gt;"Oh" I thought "That would be God... and he wants me to talk back!"&lt;br /&gt;(it was as if a dove came and pooped on Nick's head... haha...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let's open up the lines: does anyone else have a Dove-on-the-shoulder-moment when you realized that God was already &lt;i&gt;'in da house?'&lt;/i&gt;....&lt;/b&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:7307</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
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    <title>Stimulating Discussion Tonight...</title>
    <published>2006-12-12T02:15:39Z</published>
    <updated>2006-12-12T02:15:39Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Rather than a rant, I'm going to take a non-directive tactic tonight and encourage you all to volley some thoughts. Granted, some may be in the midst of finals... this should be up long enough for everyone to take a good crack at.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;What's 'The Devil' mean to you?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some brief thoughts: &lt;i&gt;When I slowly lost the belief in a singular person-like entity that was the devil, I never really replaced my trite "devil-concept" with a more sophisticated one. I lost a great degree of vigilance against "evil" (after all... what was evil?)&lt;br /&gt;Recently, I've decided that I believe in the devil as a subversive consciousness that pervades space--- but not time. If such a consciousness were omnipresent in time--- assuming that God brings balance to all the universe--- it would see it's quest to distract humanity as pointless. Being present only in space, this corrosive and conscious force can cling to a sliver of doubt--- and take many of us down with it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Although the idea of a devil with horns is trite, I think that the personification of this pervasive force may help us to seperate it from ourselves (at least temporarily). It also fosters less of a sense of "I'm not good enough" (and subsequent despair) when we stop to think that there might be a subversive force we need to guard against. I'm saying that we're all capable of being on good behavior for stretches of time, but, if there really is this evil and pervasive force that might cause us to falter, we should be working hard to be aware of the effects (bad fruit)&amp;nbsp; it might have. (As opposed to the effects of God's consciousness, which are fruits of the spirit... yummy!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Does that make any sense? &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Don't be shy ^^</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:7154</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>Free-will vs. Predestination? Please... wrong on both counts...</title>
    <published>2006-12-08T05:38:16Z</published>
    <updated>2006-12-08T07:43:43Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Let me spin this for you... I'll just start from my meditation today and not even try to be overly philosophical.... maybe ;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here are two things that get in the way of prayer: getting too task oriented and being afraid of appearing pious. The second of these things gets in the way of other things, even though that awareness keeps us from hypocracy (kind of like something that is too often in excess).&amp;nbsp; Too few times, I think, do we consider prayer from a relationship orientation. It occurred to me a week or so ago that, much like men who under-value small talk in their relationships, we under-value prayer in the day to day. We feel like we need a reason. The reason to pray is TO pray... relationship health is in those small and mundane conversations that happen regularly. It's the fact that we engage God in a thought dialogue that truly matters... .... ... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for worry of piousness? It's always good to be aware of your own motives and of the way we're communicating Christ to others. However, not being able to pray in front of one's roomate would be ridiculous!!! Especially when your roomate is as understanding as mine! Yet, I've found myself limiting my prayers to a very low profile sort... more than just quiet, but invisible or non-existant. Even after exposing him to TOM VICTOR, of all people, I continued a covert prayer life in the presence of my Christian roomate. &lt;br /&gt;Today, I decided I needed some serious prayer time. It start off very good--- with reinforcing what I thought about relationship oriented prayer... making prayers as if I was taking spiritual vitamins---- and I was getting down to business when I felt myself drifting more and more. I started praying out loud at first, but I was tired and eventually conked out on the floor, still sitting cross legged. I woke from my stupor just as my roomate walked in. So... I told him the truth. I went as far as to reflect to him about my prayer attitude. Almost awkwardly... not with pious confidence but with frank feelings. I was communicating my actual prayer attitude... it was not a pious show, it was an honest utterance. Something in my heart was right after this. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This was all more fresh in my mind earlier, but I had to go to work. However, I believe I'm locating many of the main points. I'm going to lay this really heavy one on you now because I just can't contain it. This whole debate about free-will versus pre-destination. For those who believe in God's plan, the notion that God would 'play dice with the universe' along with our hearts and minds is unacceptable. Indeed, I've seen the uncanny in action many times. So, I have to believe in God's control and interation. However... I'm no Calvinist. I don't believe people are 'pre-destined' to be saved--- that means others are predistined not to. Plus, that takes all the challenge out of the Great Comission. Jesus didn't say "Go find those who are already predestined to understand my message." Nope... "go and make disciples of all nations."&amp;nbsp; I certainly can't believe that God has total mind control of us... or else He's much more cruel than we've given him credit for. If He caused us to think the way we do (That is, if God 'predistined' our thoughts for understanding)&amp;nbsp; then wouldn't He make our thoughts pure? This notion that God predestines certain people for understanding is a great way to shirk the call to discipleship......&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...and it's based on the fallacy that God operates IN time space when he obviously operates AROUND time space. All time is at once to God, one unit. Past present future. He's everlasting because his beginning and end and middle are all one point, at least I think so. He's TIMELESS!!! So, the entire concept of a PRE destiny seems misleading to me. It takes away the "live" notion of the universe--- the universe as interactive. It basically places us in a closed universe. *buzzer* Open universe... &lt;br /&gt;If God were not interactive then prayer would be POINTLESS. We'd be pre-programmed and have no need for any of thisGod-relationship stuff. We certainly couldn't expect our prayers to be GRANTED when everything is already set. Even if one were to argue that "the prayers were predestined..."... I'd tell them that amounts to the same: prayers predestined to not be answered. Why pray? Why would a Calvinist pray at all? (well... besides for the display...) &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This archaic concept of the predestined, along with the notion of free-will resulting in chaos, will/should never be an issue. I came to a unified theory today... one that explains a little more than my belief in the 'divine nudge' of God on&amp;nbsp; the mind (inputs to the system that's already going... not that I don't believe in that, but that's just part of it... from what I see... not that I'M God... right God?). (I had this worded better before... stay with me....)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The interaction between your consciousness (will) and God's consciousness (will)&amp;nbsp; is your destiny. God's will is united with the will of all other people's consciousnesses...&amp;nbsp; He is the unifying consciousness. That's why prayer is for real--- it's not just a letter to God, it's the expression of your DESTINY in the spiritual realm. It's being meta-reflective on the dialogue that is actually going on between God's universe and you as an entity with a SOUL. I could expand, but I think I'll not clutter that with words.....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...and I've rediscovered why I should have been reading my Bible all along. You knew that would happen: someone made for texts and spiritualilty. I don't remember if I was reading when I had the revelation. I believe I was. It was actually a vagrant thought that gave birth to the epiphany. It was the thought that Isaiah's prophesies of Jesus were not predestination!!! Yes... how blasphemous, right? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How dare I suggest that Jesus have an awareness of those scriptures, right? He's supposed to be fulfilling them in a vacuume according to the mind-set of predestination. Otherwise, wouldn't his knowledge of the scriptures confound the results? Couldn't Jesus very well have read the scriptures and been like "This is what the Messiah is supposed to do and be... I'll just follow the script". After all, his folks could have told him about a remarkable birth (perhaps) and from there he could have decided "I'm going to be the Messiah". In that case, wouldn't Jesus be consciously choosing to be the Messiah?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You bet your sweet butt it is!!!&amp;nbsp; I'm about to jump out of my skin I'm so excited. I thought "Couldn't Jesus have just done what the Messiah was supposed to do based on what he read?" Then it dawned on me: if you follow the recipe you don't get a copy, you get the real thing, folks. Jesus followed the Messiah recipe... therefore he became the Messiah. No one else did it right... he chose the path, he dialogued with God daily, he did all of it inspite of knowing that it meant SUFFERING. God saw it happening all at once and made sure it all worked out: Isaiah, a sinful Israeal, a girl named Mary.... rag-tag fisherman. &lt;br /&gt;Jesus's interaction with God the Father and His Holy Word is what made him the Messiah... destiny in a relationship with God. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*wraps up quickly*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And there's only reason that this is going to be scary to you: it means that your interaction with the father is your destiny. We niether are free from God's consciousness nor are we simply along for some cosmic ride. It's a relationship that determines our destiny. &lt;br /&gt;.....this is a good time to apply that heavenly Mother model, eh Alex? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One last thing: how am I possible going to justify this notion that the flow of destiny could have been mutual between Isaiah's text and Christ's life (not predistination, but God's simultaneous reality where the text is aware of Jesus's doings and Jesus is aware of the text's implications) ?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My name sake hit this one on the head, of course!!!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;John 1:1 --- In the beginning, the Word already existed. He was with God, and he was God....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;font size="1"&gt;(pssssst: he IS the Word!)&lt;br /&gt;Woo... Holy Spirit tingles... yay... &lt;/font&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:6764</id>
    <author>
      <name>I_like_birds</name>
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    <title>give thanks</title>
    <published>2006-12-04T15:48:36Z</published>
    <updated>2006-12-04T15:48:36Z</updated>
    <content type="html">&lt;div align="center"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;font size="2" color="#ff6600"&gt;Dear God,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you. I am sorry that I have been too busy for you. I know it is a lame excuse but sometimes &lt;br /&gt;things happen and I push you aside for a few days. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Love, One of the coolest kids on the block&lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;div align="left"&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:6568</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
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    <title>The Ministirial Continuum (1... I guess)</title>
    <published>2006-12-02T20:10:29Z</published>
    <updated>2006-12-02T20:10:29Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Most of those who read this are going to be familiar with Christian teachings, and following such philosophies as well. Coming from this mindset, there is an understanding that those who call themself Christian are asked to produce the evidence of this in some way. The understanding may be only, however, that there is SOME way that the fact of one's 'Christianity' is going to become evident. From there a number of opinions bubble to the surface--- some arising from things Christ said himself and others coming from (seriously) God knows where. I'll be the first to tell you that not everything you see in a church has anything to do with Christ.... in any institution representing something higher there is an amount of 'noise' created by human short comings, confusion and... all manner of what nots. Example... &lt;u&gt;Higher concept&lt;/u&gt;: &lt;b&gt;Stable Government&lt;/b&gt; &lt;u&gt;Noise:&lt;/u&gt; &lt;b&gt;Politics and parties.&lt;/b&gt; The noise, however, is a tagnent for the purposes of this 'musing' of mine (not really an essay nor an article but a think session) . The noise of Religion is one excuse that non-Religious people use as an excuse to deny any sense of spirituality... &lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;which to me is like&amp;nbsp; denying that&amp;nbsp; you have a body because you're dissatisfied with healthcare or have been mistreated by a hospital. &lt;/font&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Get in line... hospitals have screwed me over....... and 'churches' have done that to people too. It's not God's fault we screw up church any more than it's Hippocrates's fault health care is messed up. &lt;/b&gt;The primary difference between issues of health care and those of spiritual care is that we as citizens are not really part of the hospital/clinic system anyway. As Christians we are actually part of *tada* Christ's church. [God... I know you're in here... I hope I'm doing this right...] Though that seemed like a tangent to me at first... I think its a useful illustration. "I'm not a doctor or nurse... what the heck do I have to do with health-care?" Well... probably nothing. Society picks these people--- doctors, nurses, specialists--- along strict categorical lines. It's relatively rigid compared to the actual people who fulfill these roles and are complex human beings. But, though religions might be man-made attempts at spiritual institutions (and the best we got, ladies and gents), the actual spiritual realm itself is NOT a man-made institution---- that's God made and operates according to the rules of his infinity.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;u&gt;An actual thesis:&lt;/u&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;b&gt;I belive pretty firmly that God does not determine your role based on strict categorical lines. Let's not limit Him that way... God is not &lt;font color="#3366ff"&gt;bin&lt;/font&gt;&lt;font color="#ff0000"&gt;ary&lt;/font&gt; like that. He doesn't say "Minister here... Lay-person over there". &lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's back this up a little--- where the heck have I been all this time? I'm noticeably missing from LiveJournal, but especially from this lounge. This is explainable in part by the recognition, on my part, of what I would show by emptying my thoughts here. I would show that I was called by God and He had a role for me. I've known this for some time. I'm also not stupid--- that means responsibility. Like any man, I'm going to gravitate toward ways of showing my 'Christianity' that seem comfortable for me. In other words, I'm a victum of the 'current' as I call it. I don't even totally understand it myself, so I won't even try. The current is the way we drift when we know that going against the current is more rewarding but takes effort. The truth about life might be against the current (if you'll excuse my important tangent). &lt;b&gt;That doesn't mean that dissenters are the future, or conservatives either... that means that people who pride themselves on being 'liberal' are just following that current and conservatives another. Either way, they're doing what's become comfortable for them and not really reaching for truth. Sorry, habitual liberals. If it makes you feel any better, I think you're closer than the habitual conservatives&amp;nbsp; (personal opinion).&amp;nbsp; &lt;/b&gt;(tangent concluded...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point is, we have this natural tendency. I would have rather maintained the very loose personna that I'd adopted coming out of highschool. That meant not coming here and revealing to everyone that deep inside of me was someone who thought deep thoughts about spirituality and had opinions and... really shouldn't be so messed up. To be brief, I'd done a good job of lowering the bar for myself and I wasn't about to get in here and raise the bar up. I used the excuse of not wanting to make anyone feel like they didn't have a right to this space. I watched the space go unused though--- I didn't do anything to stimulate discussion. I didn't poke Alex about starting discussion either &lt;font color="#ff00ff"&gt;&lt;b&gt;*jabs Alex*.&amp;nbsp;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/font&gt; This group is, perhaps, just one example,&amp;nbsp; but a particularly good one for me... all things considered. This is the place where I should have shown evidence not just of Christianity but of &lt;b&gt;discipleship: acting according not only to general principles but a distinctive call into God's service. &lt;/b&gt;(wow... that's a brand new definition... but I like it awfully well!!!)&amp;nbsp; Lemme try this... and these are not supposed to read like truth, but see if they ring true:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Christianity: &lt;/b&gt;Behaving according to what Jesus told all of us. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;Discipleship: &lt;/b&gt;Behaving according to what the Holy Spirit is telling YOU. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Challenge: people frequently will justify their own drift over what the Spirit is telling them... hence, I find myself on another important tangent (which I need to badger myself about) which is the notion of spiritual discipline. There's a lot of noise in our own heads... and prayer and study are the key to getting the garbage out of the way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However, I meant to approach an important escape strategy we use to ignore the urgings of the Spirit: a binary model of ministry. *hiss* Oh you know what I mean--- clergy over here and lay-people over there. The pastor is supposed to fit neatly into a particular personna and the rest of us are just people who do whatever we want because... we're just normal people. This has very little to do with the priesthood Jesus laid out...&lt;b&gt; because Jesus never laid one out at all!!! &lt;/b&gt;When he gathered up the most educated religious leaders he... no... actually he didn't do that. He went and got some FISHERMAN and taught them about what it meant to live the followers life. Infact, Jesus did more to THROW DOWN a binary structure of ministry than support it. The temple curtain was torn, folks. Ministry is not binary--- and not so much Christianity in general either, though that's a topic for another day. I would have ranted here in October about the Wells hall nuts, actually... and no doubt I'll do that in the spring. Wussies can't handle this weather, I guess.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The convenient way of thinking is to see people who are called and people who are not called. "Pastor X is called by God... I'm not very much like him so I must not be." "I don't know if I could live that lifestyle... I guess I'm a 'lay-person'". I want to take the term lay-ministry and throw it away, honestly. I know that's very Quaker of me, but you'll&amp;nbsp; get used to it. Take it and throw it away... that makes it sound like you're a moonlight minister or something. That sounds like someone who volunteers to roof houses on mission trip and comes home and says "I'm not a roofer, it was just a mission trip." I respect those who are not called into seminary and into local parishes... and other forms of more intense involvement, but I want to take the term of "lay ministry" and throw it away. Keep the concept, but get rid of that escape hatch term!!!!! That's like saying discipleship is a night-job. I can't stand that... especially since I BOUGHT INTO IT. I might not be called to be 'ordained' (though I probably am, and I'm going to have to accept that...), and most of you probably won't be called to be 'ordained'.... but you're ordained by God for something. You're not night-job disciples if you're disciples at all. The role of disciple is no night-job.&amp;nbsp; (I didn't expect to attack the term lay ministry, but okay... that's another good one, Father... it is an escape term. Not an escape term for those who are answering a call, but for those who know their call is more than they've done...) Let's take a jump here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;By imposing a binary model (minister/non-minister) people can justify not achieving God's discipleship goals for them. Go ahead and grumble, I can hear it--- 'are you saying that God wants to make us do something, cuz I dunno if I'm comfortable with that.' Take a number... welcome to humanity. God loves you too much not to have goals for you. I wouldn't be in college if my dad hadn't pushed me. I thought it was going to be too hard leaving home and I was scared. Don't you dare grumble about being pushed before you see what God can do! (whoa... dude... yes... ).&amp;nbsp; I thank the Good Lord every day that He gave me a dad who wouldn't let me vascilate about pursuing an education. &lt;br /&gt;And not everyone who goes to college finishes college for the same reason or does post-graduate work to the same extent and the same area. It's complex. How much more complex is God's call to discipleship. Certainly more than a "pastor/lay-person" model. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To sum it up (since I'm getting wordy) I think denying the continuum of ministry possibilities and roles is a pressing issue. It's one that I mean to expand upon... next time.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(Well, I suppose it was ambitious to try to cover this in one entry... if I was going to work in those oh-so tasty tangents. I was surprised by the 'quit your whining' tangent. I didn't see that coming... I think it was aimed at myself. Infact, I'm sure of it... but take heed!!! Yes... take heed...)</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:6380</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
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    <title>The Universe</title>
    <published>2006-10-15T21:31:31Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-15T21:31:31Z</updated>
    <content type="html">I think about this pretty frequently, and then neglect to say anything about it. It's only my belief abou how God runs the whole universe (to put it ironically).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I know many of my contemporaries are under the impression that God has one plan for the world- a grand plan, with every detail sketched out. Every move you make pre-determined... every interaction carefully scripted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then we run into questions like "Why would God let this happen" "Why did God let sin come into existance?" "When are things going to get better? Why is God demanding this pain?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Others of my contemporaries see the universe as chaotic. Outside of natural forces, its a free for all, right? Just playing out however... not random but as close as it gets. It's so much easier to think of it that way, at least on the mental level. Then, everything is subjective and all at once nothing is wrong. It's intoxicating... and whatever paradigm you engineer is fine for you. It's all chaos...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can I put this simply? NO. None of that...&amp;nbsp; I can't believe that a scripted universe turned out this way. I cannot... this universe is not carefully scripted to every last detail... I can't swallow it. Not with all the relationships going on: us with each other, us with God, us with ourselves. That sounds like a lack of faith, doesn't it? Oh yeah... but I can't believe in the chaos either. Why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because God keeps pulling things out. He balances the equation. He makes it work. So, my faith is in God... this is not chaos!!! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And it is NOT orchestrated note for note. Can we really support that paradigm and expect people to believe it when all things are considered? We do sometimes... that there is one way!!!&amp;nbsp; I believe that only one way &lt;i&gt;happens&lt;/i&gt;. If the universe is one continuous event, then there is only one path it is pursuing... which is the path that it IS following. That doesn't mean there weren't possibilities. Chew on this: have you wondered if the ruin of the universe was possible? Or how about the damnation of all people for sin. Or this: that it was possible we'd be saved from sin by never coming into it. Or take your pick of alternate fates... weren't the possible? &lt;br /&gt;Every time Duke Ellington's band started to play, wasn't it possible that something would go terribly wrong? That Cutie would blow sour or that nanton would collapse... or what have you? Everytime... and what's more, Ellington never had the notes written out... not every one of them... not EVERY one of them... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you hear me? Improvised. And yet, not chaos... the chords were always laid out in advance. The direction, and even the theme were carefully written. The Duke was a genius and a pimp to his core... and isn't God infinately greater than even Duke Ellington? What I'm saying is that I believe the universe has some of this in it:&lt;br /&gt;~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~[X number of bars]~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~&lt;br /&gt;The wavy line... where the musicians play for the director. Why else are we here but to be unique and to effect the score in our own way? Why else are we hear but to interact, react, and be impressed by creation and each other?&lt;br /&gt;When things work out, sometimes we think that "that's the way things were meant to be". Well, now that it's happened... yes, it is. But how many infinate paths could have led to that moment? How many other possible scenarios could have happened if a different path were taken? Sounds like chaos...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That's why my faith is in God as the surpreme band leader... even better than a deaf Beethoven frantically waving his baton, God can LAY HIS FINGERS TO THE IVORY like Basie, Ellington, or Hancock. I believe in a God who is allowing for this grand riff break (we call it life) and continuously interacting with it to produce outcomes. I don't think He had it all figured out to every detail at some point before--- I think from God's side of time, everything is '&lt;i&gt;during&lt;/i&gt;' anyway. --- that's far too linear for me!!! I believe God is interacting with creation now... and that we do screw things up and God's inputs make things to work out in uncanny ways. Why else does prayer work? Where is inspiration without this interplay? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If I might be bold, life isn't beautiful if it isn't ALIVE in time space... is it? No no... &lt;br /&gt;And what of prophesy? That boggles my mind... it's a show of how much control God can really have. The chords are laid out... it's chilling. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I take it by now you've had enough of my ranting. I just think that it's a stronger faith that can accept that there is only a cue sheet and that God STILL pulls things off. If it is true, then that's a credit to a LIVING God who's much more than a painter who makes his creation and sits back to admire it. He lives in it, just like the Duke was inseperable from his art.</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:5982</id>
    <author>
      <email>pearlbeyondprice913@yahoo.com</email>
      <name>kat</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="redial913"/>
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    <title>explore</title>
    <published>2006-10-05T06:05:55Z</published>
    <updated>2006-10-05T06:05:55Z</updated>
    <content type="html">I am exploring different options to seek more positive additions to my life. I never realized that there are so many different people who share my same views and what others can consider not a proper way of looking at life.But now I know I am sane. Thanks.</content>
  </entry>
  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:5864</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://community.livejournal.com/wesley_lounge/5864.html"/>
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    <title>I don't care if I suck...</title>
    <published>2006-09-26T04:17:26Z</published>
    <updated>2006-09-26T04:17:26Z</updated>
    <content type="html">I always promised myself I would never take over this community and use it as a personal sounding board...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;...that being said, it needs some stimulating, and I think all of you need to hear me make a declaration tonight:&lt;strong&gt; I don't care if I suck. &lt;/strong&gt;Now if that isn't a revelation, I don't know what is.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In May of this year, I heard God's call to be a worship leader for the Wesley Foundation. I had no idea it would actually happen--- nor that things would turn out quite the way they are. There is still a long way to go, and worries and cares are piling up. It seems like just when we're gaining some momentum something is thrown in my face.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Exactly a week ago, I decided I needed to go in a different direction for the sake of the band. I put down my trumpet and decided to pick up bass. I practiced a few times by myself and everything was going along swimmingly. Tonight, my amp refused to work for two hours. I thought I had a bad cord, and so I tried every cord in the church. No, it was indeed the amp... but by the grace of God I got it to work right before rehearsal started. I was not very vocal leader tonight,&amp;nbsp;though. As always, I just wanted things to fall into place. I try to be minimalist and avoid being in people's faces. I just wanted to play the bass and see how things went. But it wasn't tuned to the piano, and the piano player decided to bring her own music so I hadn't a think to read off of. I was shooting in the dark the whole time... and I heard about it too. It did not go unnoticed. No matter how hard I tried, I just couldn't get anything to come out right.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;I finally did get to practice a little before I made&amp;nbsp;a tear filled journey home... I had a Tom Izzo day dream (I always have those when I pass Breslin center). I wished that things had gone better. I wished that God hadn't called me at all. I tried to be minimalist and so I ended up not having enough energy. I tried playing a new instrument because I thought it would be better for the band and I messed things up. I tried to be a good steward, so I coiled up all the cords I had tried--- and then some. And when I tried to lay my burdens down on a friend, I was told that I was being 'me me me'.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well, maybe I was... but holding my feelings in sure doesn't help. I explode later, and many can testify to it. So what am I to do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am to faithfully suck at bass, like I was called to do. I am to endure the sour looks... and with a smile on my face. Why? Because I told God I would do this... and its about HIM. That's the real Heart of Worship. &lt;strong&gt;I don't care if I suck&lt;/strong&gt;--- at bass or at being a leader or any of that. I'm going to do what was asked of me... and I'm going to invite everyone to join me and &lt;strong&gt;I don't care if we're out of tune and sound awful.&lt;/strong&gt; I think we should be beyond such worldly notions of what sounds good.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think if we're trying our best, that sounds like praise to God. So, I don't care... I'm going to do my thing, the way I was asked to. That's my new philosophy... and I'm not going to let anyone stop me from praising God in front of that tiny congregation.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;I don't care if I suck... you should be able to see that I love God even more than music. And I hope I do.&lt;/strong&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:5493</id>
    <author>
      <name>just alex for now</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="poor_cinderalex"/>
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    <title>Look! It's a Question!</title>
    <published>2006-04-24T19:21:19Z</published>
    <updated>2006-04-24T19:21:19Z</updated>
    <content type="html">I remembered suddenly how much I enjoyed asking questions on this community. So, here's a new one! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's your favorite Bible story? (And when I say story I mean &lt;i&gt;story&lt;/i&gt;, like I want plot here, people. None of this favorite, most inspirational verse stuff.)</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:5135</id>
    <author>
      <name>Brian S.</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="kra_tos"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://community.livejournal.com/wesley_lounge/5135.html"/>
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    <title>Faith and Homosexuality - An Update</title>
    <published>2006-04-17T13:38:00Z</published>
    <updated>2006-04-17T13:38:00Z</updated>
    <content type="html">&lt;b&gt;A few weeks ago, I wrote here about my struggle between my faith and homosexuality.  I sent a copy of what I said here to the college ministry pastor at my church.  Below is his response.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Brian, what is up?  Not too much here.  Sorry it has taken me so long to&lt;br /&gt;get back to you.  With being out of town and then Easter coming up we&lt;br /&gt;are busy as ever here.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for being willing to open this discussion with me.  It has been&lt;br /&gt;great having you as part of our college ministry, and this will in no&lt;br /&gt;way impact my view of you, or the way I relate to you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You mentioned that you aren't sure if homosexuality is sin, but even if&lt;br /&gt;it is "Romans 6:23 tells us, "For the wages of sin is death, but the&lt;br /&gt;gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord."  Which is true,&lt;br /&gt;all sin leads to death, and Christ's death and resurrection has paid the&lt;br /&gt;penalty of that sin and offers us eternal life, and those who embrace&lt;br /&gt;that truth can have life eternally.  But Christ's death on the cross is&lt;br /&gt;also not a free pass for us to live in sin (Romans 6:1-2).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One of the things we strive to do at NorthRidge Church is teach and&lt;br /&gt;adhere to the clear truths of scripture.  One of these truths is that&lt;br /&gt;the practice of a homosexual lifestyle is contrary to God's will.  It is&lt;br /&gt;not bigger or worse than other sins, but it is living apart from what&lt;br /&gt;God has laid out for us.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;All people are welcome to come and worship with us.  The doors are open&lt;br /&gt;for all to worship and to hear our Pastor speak God's truth.  There are&lt;br /&gt;no barriers-to-entry for worship.  There are no security guards who&lt;br /&gt;check us at the door against a list of 'OK sins' and 'not OK' sins.   &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;Sin is simply us living independently from God and living out of His&lt;br /&gt;will.  As Christians, we are called to lovingly, directly, and&lt;br /&gt;confidentially confront known sin that we see in others who profess to&lt;br /&gt;be Christians.   If I have a known drug addiction problem, I should&lt;br /&gt;expect to be challenged and offered help to reject and overcome this&lt;br /&gt;sin.  If I have a known sexual issue outside of my marriage, I should&lt;br /&gt;expect the same.  If I have a known lifestyle that is scripturally&lt;br /&gt;wrong, I should expect the same.   Scripture commands Christians to love&lt;br /&gt;one another and to hold each other accountable for the way we reflect&lt;br /&gt;Jesus Christ to the unsaved world.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;NorthRidge Church will not bring someone into membership if there is&lt;br /&gt;known sin in her/his life.  We will seek to lovingly reconcile the&lt;br /&gt;person to an appropriate life in Christ where she/he can then experience&lt;br /&gt;the full blessings of a God-honoring life.   We truly love the person;&lt;br /&gt;we reject the sin.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I encourage you to attend and worship with us at the college ministry&lt;br /&gt;and NorthRidge Church.   We will continue to speak God's truth to every&lt;br /&gt;part of our lives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If you have any questions or comments do not hesitate to ask.</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:4937</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://community.livejournal.com/wesley_lounge/4937.html"/>
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    <title>How it all plays out...</title>
    <published>2006-03-28T03:01:57Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-28T03:01:57Z</updated>
    <content type="html">You know, everyone once and a while I notice how God's plan might be making sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do any of you have times when you've looked back and seen how maybe God was coordinating and working hard to make sure that no matter what you did things would have a chance to work out? Have you ever felt like God was making sure that you had every chance to over come what seemed insurmountable? &lt;br /&gt;Or, just a time when you saw that maybe God had a sense of the ironic- in a good way...?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Please, share. Think about how the plan might be playing out...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for me, I am blessed to know that people tend to love me more than myself, and God has given me lots of them and they're all the best kind.</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:4648</id>
    <author>
      <name>Brian S.</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="kra_tos"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://community.livejournal.com/wesley_lounge/4648.html"/>
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    <title>Faith and Homosexuality</title>
    <published>2006-03-26T16:52:44Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-26T17:46:38Z</updated>
    <content type="html">By Brian Smith&lt;br /&gt;kra_tos@livejournal.com&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Since October, I have, with my family, been attending a non-denominational church here in Plymouth.  For the most part it has been a rich experience.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But there have been a few parts of it that bother me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We began attending the church during a series on the Ten Commandments.  One of the early weeks was a discussion on Exodus 20:14:  &lt;i&gt;"You shall not commit adultery."&lt;/i&gt;  The Senior Pastor, a brilliant public speaker and someone very well connected with the Bible, gave the traditional warnings about faithfulness to one's wife.  But then he spoke to sexual integrity as a whole, and referred to the abomination of homosexuality as stated in Leviticus.  I took it as a challenge to find out what my place within that church was.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found my place a few weeks ago among the members of the church's college ministry.  The past two weeks have included incidents that have led me to question the motivation of the people I surround myself with, and led me to contemplate the marriage between faith and homosexuality.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Last week, a fellow college student was discussing a paper he had to write regarding homosexuality, and how he derided homosexuality in the paper as a sin "...but they are good people."  I stood alongside, watching this happen, and was silent.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This week, I was riding home with someone I've known for several years, but have just rediscovered in the church setting.  We were talking about the church and she made a comment on how southern boys rock.  And I said, "Yeah they do."  And she turned around at the red light, giggling insanely as if I had just made this amazing joke.  And again, I said nothing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I am left this morning to examine myself, to wonder why I was silent.  To wonder why I didn't say anything, why I didn't stand up for who I am.  I am a good person.  Why must I hide my true self to make it a step closer to acceptance?  Would someone with less self-esteem than I feel even worse about himself than I do now?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think God and gay have a place together.  They are not mutually exclusive to me.  Because of what I have been through in my life, I feel that God has indeed been watching out for me.  EVEN IF (and I'm not saying I believe that it is) homosexuality is a sin according to the Bible, the Bible also teaches us that Jesus died on the cross to absolve us of our sin and adopt it as His own.  So those who say that homosexuals are going to Hell do not understand the Bible themselves.  Romans 6:23 tells us, "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Jesus Christ our Lord."</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:4545</id>
    <author>
      <name>aka_kiwi</name>
    </author>
    <lj:poster user="aka_kiwi"/>
    <link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="http://community.livejournal.com/wesley_lounge/4545.html"/>
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    <title>Distracted</title>
    <published>2006-03-15T07:14:03Z</published>
    <updated>2006-03-15T07:16:11Z</updated>
    <content type="html">I knew I should have shut down my instant messenger before getting to my work for Science tomorrow, somehow instictively I knew what I should do. Unfortunately I didn't listen. Eventually I was distracted by a message window. I was still watching video for an observation paper so I figured I would talk until it was done since I could do both at once. Then I got sucked in.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was talking with a really good friend and everything seemed normal. I figured he was kinda stressed this week as he declared he needed another weekend away and I may very well be looking forward to another visit before the school year is out. Tonight that started to worry me. I almost wonder if God told me not to turn off my messenger so I could picking up the warning signals that something isn't right. Like I said, he is a really good friend, we've talked about everything under the moon and some things over it. So as the conversation went on with him flags started going up that said things like "TROUBLE" "BEWARE" "SOMETHING IS WRONG HERE" and "ESCAPE ROUTE AHEAD". Needless to say I am pretty worried.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The content and reason for these thoughts isn't important. The fact that I feel like I wasn't getting through and that for once he wasn't willing to tell me what was going on is. It is frightening to think that he can't talk to me about this and that I might not be able to help. What he is thinking about doing would be a big change or scenary, school, and social life. Part of me wonders if that includes me as well. Does this process of getting away from everything and his feeling of "nothing is going right" include me?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel pretty inadequate right now and I don't know what to do. I would like to this that the person I confide in feels safe doing that with me. It has been that way for a while. What happens if he does make this change and disconnects from me as well? Will he be ok? Will I be ok? Of my peers he is probly the person I trust most in this world, he is always there to listen and help. What will happen if I can't confide in him anymore? I certainly don't trust guys easily,but that's a completely different long drawn-out story. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In short this thought of change and disconnection is scary and distracting me from my work, I still haven't finished that dumb paper yet. Any trust I am able to have for guys my age is because of him. Will that change if I no longer have him to confide in?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am probably over-worrying and over-thinking things, but I am pretty sure I need to right now. I don't know. I could use some advice, some direction, some help, and whatever else. That is why I am posting here instead of my regular Live Journal, because I know each of you will see it and I trust and respect your opinions. Wow this got long, but please take the time to read through and respond with anything that might be a help.</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:4150</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <title>The Tricky Prodigal Son/Kid Issue...</title>
    <published>2006-02-27T19:22:38Z</published>
    <updated>2006-02-27T19:22:38Z</updated>
    <content type="html">&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;lj-cut text="The Prodigal's Song"&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;The Prodigal's Song (Petra)&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I'm only happy when I'm with you &lt;br /&gt;And living life the way you show me &lt;br /&gt;Whenever I'm apart, I grow a colder heart &lt;br /&gt;I only feign my love for you &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And if a day goes by without speaking &lt;br /&gt;I love like I don't really need you &lt;br /&gt;But in my heart I find I recognize the lie &lt;br /&gt;My every breath I draw from you &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I still find you true, pulling me back to you &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;(Chorus) &lt;br /&gt;To you I will run &lt;br /&gt;The prodigal son &lt;br /&gt;Coming back home again to you &lt;br /&gt;Open your arms &lt;br /&gt;And into your heart &lt;br /&gt;I'm folded in love again with you &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And every moment that I've wasted &lt;br /&gt;Chasing after my own dreaming &lt;br /&gt;I know you will forgive and wipe away the tears &lt;br /&gt;For all the lonely foolish years &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;And I will try to be true, living each day with you &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;All that I am &lt;br /&gt;And all that I have &lt;br /&gt;And all I can be &lt;br /&gt;Is found in you&amp;lt;/lj-cut&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Most of us know the story of the Prodigal Son (you can find it in Luke Chapter 15)... and if you don't that's okay, it's pretty easy to understand. The younger of two sons goes astray with half of his father's fortune. He blows it on gambling, hookers, and booze (I assume... some of those may be involved...) and when he comes back his father welcomes him with open arms and throws him a nice party. When his older brother complains that his brother doesn't deserve to have the huge party, the father says 'Relax... you'll still get your inheritance. It's just important to me that I found your brother. Its reason to celebrate...'. And we agree: its better to accept that lost sheep back into the fold. The thing is... we still think that the younger brother is a doosh-bag. C'mon! Don't you think he's a total doosh? You know you do... you don't want to be him. You don't want to be the child that doesn't come home until he's in trouble...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I kinda look down on the idea, myself... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;&amp;lt;I love the footprints in the sand story. Where the guy is walking with God on the beach and he sees that in some places there is one set of foot prints and in some places there are two sets of footprints. God explains that the places with two sets are where He walked with the guy in happy times--- side by side. The one set is where God picked the guy up and carried him so he'd be okay- to make sure the guy made it.&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&amp;gt;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Think about this: isn't it just typical for people to turn to God in trouble? Isn't it just SO typical for people to go about their business and push God aside until they hit a bunch of crud and then- suddenly!- God is important and faith is crucial. "Okay, I need you NOW God... please help me please...". Then when things get better its like "Nah, I'm good... you can put me down now, father," and then we go running down the beach again... like little rebelious kids. Isn't that the way it is? Do you really want to be that way? Do you want to be that little kid that goes off and plays and gets into mischief and doesn't listen to his Father until something bad has happened? Of course not... &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I don't want to be that way...&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Problem: What happens when you just plain need God...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;All of the past few years, I've found myself asking God for things. "God, give me clarity... God help people to love me...God, help me to MAKE it... God help me not to be screwed up...". I eventually got tired of myself and my self-cnentered prayers. What gave me the right to say 'gimme'? (well... Jesus said 'knock and the door will be opened...' anyway...). So, I made the right call: I started looking for the way God had already helped me. My outlook changed greatly... and I saw for the first time that life WAS good. I was given many people to love me, and greater clarity so I'd&amp;nbsp; be less screwed up. So, it was time to not be the kid that went running down the beach, right? I kinda didn't get out of the woods entirely before I had the chance to be that better Christian. Just as I got through my emotional problems... physical problems big time. Illness, surgery, more illness. I still needed spiritual growth, but at the same time I was needing to ASK for things: health, focus, peace. So what did I do?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I didn't want to be that prodigal son that just came back when things got tough. My attitude became "I'll make it through this and when I'm all healed up I'll show God that I really MEAN that I love Him. I'll show him by..." not coming back unless I'm perfectly well? Wait... that doesn't work! But I don't want to be a doosh-bag! I don't want to turn to God and the Bible thinking "I need God because I'm sick and struggling". I don't want to be the kid that comes running back when I need Him.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Problem: What happens when you just plain need God...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Laying in the&amp;nbsp; ER at Sparrow hospitol, I came to a different conclusion. "God, I'm a doosh-bag, but I just want to live long enough to show you that I really will be faithful. God, I need you now... I need to be carried... please be with me now. Please forgive me...". And what do you think God thought of that? Well, I don't know for sure... I like to think that God thought...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;"You ARE a doosh-bag... but I love you very much and I know you'll do better later. Come home and let me heal you... I love you, and you should always come to me about whatever is bothering you."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/em&gt;And he carries me still. He not only walks with me 'In the Garden' but he also carries me through the battle.&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So, I guess the conclusion (and the thing I wanted you all to consider) is this: Sometimes, you are that doosh-bag... or that little kid. Suck it up... you need Him. I&amp;nbsp;need Him always... and he doesn't expect me to suffer instead of running to Him. If your child ran off down the beach and was stung by a jelly fish, would you expect them not to run back to you?&lt;br /&gt;We might not want to be that prodigal child... but we always are. &lt;/p&gt;</content>
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  <entry>
    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:3917</id>
    <author>
      <email>brassknight4ever@gmail.com</email>
      <name>BrassKnight</name>
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    <lj:poster user="brassknight86"/>
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    <title>Host Families and building bridges...</title>
    <published>2006-02-22T02:50:02Z</published>
    <updated>2006-02-22T02:50:02Z</updated>
    <content type="html">First of all (on a side note) I apologize for not making myself known better here. I really intended to write in the lounge more and facilitate discussion of deeper issues having to do with religion and philosophy. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry to say, tonight is not the night either. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to throw an idea at all of you instead. I'm on the higher education comittee, and at each of the last two meetings we've played with the idea of a&lt;strong&gt; "&lt;u&gt;Host Family/Friend project"&lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt; as our comittee chair calls it. &lt;strong&gt;The basic idea of this is to get students to interact with the congregation more.&lt;/strong&gt; In this case, specifically, it has been suggested that students, most likely students in transition like &lt;strong&gt;incoming freshman&lt;/strong&gt; or especially &lt;strong&gt;international students, &lt;/strong&gt;would be give the opportunity to interact with a &lt;strong&gt;"host family"&lt;/strong&gt; from the congretation. That's the gist... the primary intention and noble purpose of this would be to help the student feel more at home here at Michigan State and more comfortable in UUMC church. In UUMC church, not just in the &lt;strong&gt;Wesley&amp;nbsp;Pod &lt;/strong&gt;as I like to call it. We know how to take care of our own... the question is building the bridge...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You see, I can't help but notice that we do peacefully coexist with the congregation, and that's fine... it's not like we're &lt;em&gt;fighting&lt;/em&gt; the congregation. &lt;strong&gt;We tend to settle out of the mixture, though... we kind of precipitate to our place in the&amp;nbsp;back of the&amp;nbsp;sanctuary&amp;nbsp;after services Sunday morning. &lt;/strong&gt;That's not such a problem for us, because we're like our own little tiny church sometimes. We all sit pretty much together, most of the time. I'm not pointing a finger, I'm just making you all aware that &lt;strong&gt;the congregation is aware of us... they even like us (I think). Some have even expressed an interest in actually knowing who we are. I am fascinated by this...&lt;/strong&gt; it was actually the only reason I went to the boring higher-ed meeting, anyway. For most of the meeting, they don't even need the student representative, but I made myself go so that I could speak on behalf of the students regarding possible 'bridges' that might be built between us and the church. &lt;strong&gt;The intention isn't to obligate anyone to talk to anyone else--- no no no... personally, I'm just trying to figure out how to to make easier to make these connections.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;u&gt;...because it doesn't come naturally. Birds of a feather flock together and we're a very Wesley flock.&lt;/u&gt;&amp;nbsp;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I digress, I was supposed to be talking about the&amp;nbsp;&lt;strong&gt;"&lt;u&gt;Host Family/Friend project". &lt;/u&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;Apparently, some sort of host family system was in place a long time ago, where a student could request to be assigned to a family and they would have dinner with that family periodically. I pondered our busy schedules and I wondered "When would we be eating with these families?" And the simple answer is that almost none of us who are established&amp;nbsp;Wesley members would buy into it. For one thing, &lt;strong&gt;we've already built up our psuedo-family units&lt;/strong&gt; (like the &lt;strong&gt;pod-&lt;/strong&gt; which was my security during my freshman year... I clung to Nick and Laura and the gang...) and we probably don't see the practical use of taking time out regularly for a family dinner. However, I would like to see that judged on a case to case basis: &lt;strong&gt;what if you're just coming to MSU from a small church and you feel like you need a mom/dad/family dynamic? Even worse, what if you're over seas here and you can't even go home to see your actual family?&lt;/strong&gt; Couldn't there be a pool of families to turn to in the congregation?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The issue begs exploring... here is my basic conception of what could happen, idealy:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;&amp;nbsp;Higher Ed could (somehow) develop a pool of willing families who might be willing to accomodate a student on some random night. In my opinion, the &lt;u&gt;'Project' &lt;/u&gt;comittee or whoever happens to be organizing this should not try to make the student and family 'hook-up' permanently, but instead just facilitate an initial 'date'&lt;/strong&gt;. If the student and the family hit it off, they can take care of the rest themselves. From what I've heard, students usually keep in touch on their own if they like a family, and visa versa. &lt;strong&gt;On the other end of the equation would be... probably the Wesley Foundation.&lt;/strong&gt; Infact, probably ME... lol. &lt;strong&gt;With this pool of families to draw from, perhaps it would be the job of an(some) established student(s) to get the word out that such an opportunity exists. &lt;/strong&gt;I am considering including it in the information we send to incoming freshman. That still leave the job of locating additional students who might be interested... possibly creating a bulletin insert... *logistics...*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe we could get students interacting with the congregation before they're fully reliant on the pod. I'm not saying that it is some urgent need that anyone has... but on the other hand I would be interested to see the results of such an experiment. Naturally, &lt;strong&gt;THE POD&lt;/strong&gt; is still the most important place for a student to be. C'mon... nothing replaces the &lt;strong&gt;Wesley Crew&lt;/strong&gt;... the &lt;strong&gt;Essential Posse&lt;/strong&gt;... but still...&lt;strong&gt; it couldn't hurt. &lt;/strong&gt;I bet we have lots to learn from one another (and yes, I'm fully aware that some people DO interact with the congregation and I think that &lt;strong&gt;can only be beneficial&lt;/strong&gt;).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;strong&gt;But the question still remains... how do we get the larger congregation and a tight knit group of Wesleyians to be... one mass of Methodists&lt;/strong&gt; (and a partially Quaker guy who likes to write a lot)&lt;strong&gt;? &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;</content>
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    <id>urn:lj:livejournal.com:atom1:wesley_lounge:3733</id>
    <author>
      <name>aimless kiss</name>
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    <lj:poster user="polarthebear"/>
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    <title>Sunday</title>
    <published>2006-02-20T23:23:30Z</published>
    <updated>2006-02-20T23:23:30Z</updated>
    <content type="html">Since we all did not get to share our music in one big group on Sunday, I was just curious to what everyone chose as their piece.&lt;br /&gt;So hopefully, you will share with everyone here the piece you chose and why&lt;br /&gt;:)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I did "Mr.Blue Sky" by the Electric Light Orchestra. I just love it because it's happy and cheery with an optimistic swing.</content>
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