Adam P. Knave, the P. stands for Ptiberius. ([info]murnkay) wrote in [info]wee_tolkien,
@ 2003-11-14 11:52:00
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The Two Towers: Extended Edition - observations
by Adam P. Knave


Now, I have to admit something at the start of this. I need to establish my credentials, such as they are, and give us both (writer and reader) a common firm ground on which to stand. Which is to say, that although I write for Wee_Tolkien and enjoy the movies, I have never liked the books. Except the Hobbit that is, which I try to read once a year. The trilogy just never worked for me in written form. I have tried more than once, it just ain't my thing and I know that and am comfortable with it.

So last night I got to watch The Two Towers: Extended Edition (TTT:EE) on DVD. Forbidden Planet sold it early and I was one of the lucky ones who took advantage of that. I have seen it, chances are you have not. I come to tell you that I have seen it and it was good.

It was better than good. It made me want to go read the books. TTT:EE instantly leapt up into my Top 5 personal all-time movie list. The last movie that managed to leap up there in a single viewing was Fight Club I think. Making my Top 5 is not easy, I watch movies a lot - they are how I relax from writing, so I tend to watch somewhere between 3 and 6 movies a week at home. I try to not watch really long movies because they simply take too much time, but this will be an exception. This movie is the exception in so many ways.

Sure, I saw the Theatrical Release and it was good. It was "wow" and shiny and dramatic and moving. I enjoyed the hell out of it and remembered it fondly - with my standard gripe about Gimli being nothing more than comedic relief. The differences are amazing though.

This is in no sort of film order, because I watched it last night and it is now this morning. So deal. Spoilers of the TTT:EE ahead. You have been warned.

The Huorns. Helm's Deep was such a great battle sequence. It was rich and full of emotion and it rang true. It had the edge to it that brought back down to a humans level. The thing was, for me, in the Theatrical release, it didn't end great. It sorta ? fizzed. It ended, quickly and sort of weakly. The difference between the Theatrical and EE was so telling at the end of this scene. In the EE ... I was sitting watching the end fight unfold: "Why are you letting them RUN?" I thought, watching the evil masses flee from the hooves and swords of riders. Then in response to a hasty warning for the troops to stay back from the tree line, "Why did you say stay away from the trees?" I wondered ... at which point the Forrest shook. It shook and groaned and screamed. It thrashed and danced and was just so purely primal you almost felt bad for the poor evil hordes caught inside. The shot was a long wide one, nothing close ... only moving screaming greenery, which made it all the more stunning. The effect was, as it often will be, far worse for what it didn't show.

Merry and Pip post-EntWar. They have an exchange while standing hip deep in the water, watching Saurman and Wormtongue up in the Tower that cracked me up. It was the perfect moment, a signal of the strength of spirit in people, a rekindling of the lighter tone of the films and a harkening back to how we first met Merry and Pip. I think I am upset that the scene was cut, it was needed.

Boromir. Getting to see Boromir with Faramir explains Faramir so much better this time around. Every action he takes, every glance and movement is informed after that, giving Faramir a depth and weight that makes him his own character and not just Boromir lite. Funny that without the missing flashback, we see Faramir as his father sees him for the most part. Telling really.

Frodo/Sam/Smeagol/Gollum. There are little extra bits throughout with them, giving a better chance to feel the import of their scenes and the emotional roller coaster the 3 are on. The rope was just cute.

Aragorn. The Dunedain reveal was wonderfully done and it, damn it, explains so much. Now, did I personally know this one already? Yes. But knowing it and having it put out there are two different things. Seeing a normal person's reaction to it is key there. The sadness in Aragorn is even deeper with that moment.

Pretty much, TTT:EE is close to the perfect Fantasy/War movie. It has weight, depth and heart to spare. The extra footage, the filling out of the characters brings it all home in such a wonderful way.

Now, when I was watching the film I wanted to make a list, a funny list. Sadly, for you, I was too busy watching the movie to remember to write it. I will now try to end this by recreating that list from memory:

Important Things I Learned From Watching TTT:EE

  • Fish are better raw and wriggling
  • Never, ever, hire anyone named Wormtongue to be your advisor
  • You will never die for good so long as you can fall into the end sequence of 2001
  • Alternatively, if 2001 is not available, you may instead use two crying females. If you have crying females, you may come back - if your horse is up for it.
  • Everything is funnier in a loincloth
  • Never, ever, piss off trees
  • If you must piss off trees, don't live near a really large dam
  • If you live near a really large dam, do not put your big office space in a deep pit. That's called "asking for it"
  • When your best friend holds your hand and stares meaningfully into your eyes all the time, gets jealous of anyone else being nice to you and is a florist? Yeah. I'm sayin'
  • Midgets never use range weapons
  • The beautiful sword maiden may, in fact, be a wonder to look at. She may be some great fighter waiting to happen. She will probably suck as a cook. Be warned, remember she is probably a good sword fighter if you think of telling her she sucks.
  • You have two men traveling together and sleeping under the same blanket while their three male friends try to find them or buy them time to get their mission accomplished. Their mission involves a ring which is seen as evil. Secretly, this movie is about two gay men crossing the border to Canada to get married.



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[info]angelmaye
2003-11-14 04:59 pm UTC (link)
Ohhh! I love your observations on watching the movie. Made me laugh out loud! I can't wait to get my hands on a copy.

Thanks for the funny.

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 05:05 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for reading it :)

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[info]singealiene
2003-11-16 11:19 am UTC (link)
Hey! I got my EE exactly where you did! What are the odds, huh?

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-16 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Slim! Maybe I even saw you there?

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[info]speckled_llama
2003-11-18 01:13 am UTC (link)
yes, ok, i found your lj thru torn. and yes, i am a geek, but im really impressed with your list. just wondering, tho, were you at all inspired by the very secret diaries?

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-18 01:15 am UTC (link)
Well I want to say no. I certainly didn't consult them before I wrote it. Haven't even looked at them in 6 months at least. So no not really. Except I am sure that somewhere deep in my head part of it was. That stuff is too damned good to not stick in your head and corrupt you from the inside.

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[info]shirebound
2003-11-14 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Love your review!

If you must piss off trees, don't live near a really large dam

*snort*

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 05:17 pm UTC (link)
Well really, when planning a big evil contruction site, they should put some more care into things!

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[info]eccequambonum
2003-11-14 05:16 pm UTC (link)
::hysterics::

oh, i am so glad i didn't mind being spoiled, because that list of things learned is priceless. it is also being printed out and tapes to the side of my monitor at work. . .

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 05:18 pm UTC (link)
OH wow, COOL! Thank you, that is so very cool to hear yer doing.

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Midgets never use range weapons!
[info]downinthemarrow
2003-11-14 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I loved this!! It made me laugh out loud and wish I hadn't pre-ordered my copy of TTT:EE from Amazon so I could've taken advantage of Forbidden Planet.

I'm going to email it to friends, I hope you don't mind.

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Re: Midgets never use range weapons!
[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 06:04 pm UTC (link)
Mail them a link! Get them all to come here ... yesssss precioussss readerers!

Glad you liked it. My copy was preordered from Amazon too, but I said "oh hells no!" and cancelled.

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i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]downinthemarrow
2003-11-14 06:52 pm UTC (link)
Aww! I cut and pasted it into an email for my brother already! Here is his response:

ha! too much...and i can't wait for the movie!!!
this was my favorite:

You have two men traveling together and sleeping under the same blanket while their three male friends try to find them or buy them time to get their mission accomplished. Their mission involves a ring which is seen as evil. Secretly, this movie is about two gay men crossing the border to Canada to get married

ciao ciao


But I'll definitely provide links in future. I'm trying to get everyone to subscribe to wee_tolkien. Best LJ community EVER.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Woo! Glad ya like it around here. I mean we got some killer staff don't we? Personally I think I'm lucky [info]weetanya asked me to fill in one day as a favor. This place is just fun.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
(Anonymous)
2003-11-15 03:31 am UTC (link)
oh yea like thats really funny. fuck you. i hope u rot in hell for accepting gay marriage, all of you.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 04:33 am UTC (link)
Ah HA! The truth comes out!

Make a gay reference, an accepting one even, and thus we are evil.

Well sir, on behalf of the universe at large, I hearby apologize that the script is not to your liking. I am sorry that your brain cannot accept that which is "not you" and wish I could help you. However, as the only person who can help you is you yourself, that will not be possible.

If you have further complaints, please refer them to whichever leader (spiritual, political, local or regional) you find a best fit. May they find your small minded malice more palatable than we do.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]downinthemarrow
2003-11-17 05:01 pm UTC (link)
crazy homophobics aside, (and thanks for responding to them, so i didn't have to) a question:

DO WE GET TO SEE TREEBEARD'S HOUSE?

(i'm in the us and won't see the movie until tomorrow)

eh? eh?

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]murnkay
2003-11-17 05:09 pm UTC (link)
I'm in the US too *grin*

Uhm ... no. There is no house.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]downinthemarrow
2003-11-17 05:35 pm UTC (link)
oh well. thanks. just wondering.

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]murnkay
2003-11-17 05:44 pm UTC (link)
Hey man no problem! TORN has some great details on the EE, scene by scene type of stuff. Also [info]weetanya just di d areview of the extras discs tonday right here :)

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Re: i shoulda said hells no, too.
[info]weetanya
2003-11-15 04:43 am UTC (link)
Thank you for encouraging me to disallow anonymous posting in Wee_Tolkien.

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[info]lemonlye
2003-11-14 06:32 pm UTC (link)
You made my morning. :D The florist remark...ehehehe...yep, I hear you. Got to love those cuddly hobbits...

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 06:45 pm UTC (link)
tricksy snugglsgly hobbitsses! We hates them and yet must cuddles them!

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[info]sistercoyote
2003-11-14 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Fish are better raw and wriggling.

That's one mightily tough fish, too. A stud among fish, one might say.

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Well where's the fun if it isn't a challenge?

I mean, what, you don't think kevlar wearing fish are good?

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[info]sistercoyote
2003-11-14 07:10 pm UTC (link)
;)

You also forgot one:

Elvish men do not like to be touched by human men who haven't bathed recently.

Haldir's face when Aragorn greets him is just priceless.

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 07:28 pm UTC (link)
Ahh see I took that for a moment of "I thought we weren't doing this in front of Legolas?!"

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[info]lemonlye
2003-11-14 07:53 pm UTC (link)
Hehe. Yep, and this is also verified by the amazing speed with which Legolas pulls his hand out of Aragorn's grimy one, when returning the Evenstar. ("Nice to see you're back, but um, ew, don't touch me.")

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-14 07:57 pm UTC (link)
hahahahhaha

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This is great!
(Anonymous)
2003-11-15 12:04 am UTC (link)
Wow, what a great review! Thanks for typing this up.

I love the list at the bottom.

Never, ever, piss off trees

If you must piss off trees, don't live near a really large dam

If you live near a really large dam, do not put your big office space in a deep pit. That's called "asking for it"


Hilarious!!

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Re: This is great!
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 12:36 am UTC (link)
Thanks

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re: Pretentious ass' review
(Anonymous)
2003-11-15 12:13 am UTC (link)
"Funny" list? Yeah, just hilarious.

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Re: Pretentious ass' review
(Anonymous)
2003-11-15 12:35 am UTC (link)
Don't let your dog watch th movie - Giant walking taking pissed off trees kicking butt. The dog will have nightmares formonths

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Re: Pretentious ass' review
[info]weetanya
2003-11-15 03:23 am UTC (link)
And this is what happens when we let TORN link to us?

For shame.

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wee
(Anonymous)
2003-11-15 03:49 am UTC (link)
I'm a nerd!

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Re: wee
[info]conjurdude
2003-11-15 04:04 am UTC (link)
yes, you certainly are.

on a brighter note, as one who came here from TORn, I'd like to say, thanks for posting this! Counting down with baited breath to the moment I hold the EE in my hot little slightly fuzzy hands.

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Re: wee
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 04:29 am UTC (link)
Well hey thanks for reading it!

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Re: Pretentious ass' review
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 04:30 am UTC (link)
It's sad if only because this seems to be the best they can do.

I mean... wow. It isn't funny. Excuse me while I go off and weep now.

No. Really.

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Re: Pretentious ass' review
[info]hecatesknickers
2003-11-15 06:11 am UTC (link)
Ah, not all of us that came over from TOR.n are wankers :) Loved the review, loved the list. Glad to see some intelligent Tolkien and PJ fans with a sense of humor

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Re: Pretentious ass' review
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Just odd some don't ... to me at least.

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hahah
[info]mastergracey
2003-11-15 05:57 am UTC (link)
haha! the list of funnies at the end was brilliant!
my favorite: "When your best friend holds your hand and stares meaningfully into your eyes all the time, gets jealous of anyone else being nice to you and is a florist? Yeah. I'm sayin'"
ahahahah! great job!
you made the anticipation for the EE so much more - thanks!

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Re: hahah
[info]murnkay
2003-11-15 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Thanks man, glad ya liked it!

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[info]halfwest
2003-11-16 03:13 am UTC (link)
*falls over laughing*

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-16 03:21 am UTC (link)
*smile* Glad you enjoyed it

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[info]evilbeals
2003-11-17 06:33 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for making me laugh. I loved the list. I'm going to have to print that out for my husband. hehe.

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[info]murnkay
2003-11-17 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for reading it!

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Can't wait
[info]sheikah
2003-11-18 05:20 am UTC (link)
Man, can't WAIT for the TTT:EE. I'm "supposed" to get it for Christmas. Hmm. Wonder if the mother will remember? I think not. Lol. Actually, she'd better. It was pretty much the only thing I asked for. The commentary you gave was hilarious. Finally, not everyone who comes from TORn is an idiot. I learned how to type properly despite my dubious origins ;)

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