ucberkeley: Berkeley students on the cover of TIME Magazine

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ucberkeley,
@ 2008-02-03 16:21:00

Berkeley students on the cover of TIME Magazine
Since the Super Bowl commercials are pretty lame this year, go ahead and read the article in between the breaks (click the cover for the link). The paper copy of magazine has more photos of Cal students within the article.

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	precipice 2008-02-04 12:30 am UTC (link)
	top left: do not want (Reply to this) (Thread)

	chasingred 2008-02-04 02:19 am UTC (link)
	thats unnecessarily lame and mean spirited. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	precipice 2008-02-04 02:35 am UTC (link)
	good (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	chasingred 2008-02-04 02:43 am UTC (link)
	sure is easy to be so critical over the internet, where you're anonymous, and attack people who are on the cover of the biggest news magazine in the world. attack them with 8th grade wit about superficial things no less. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	precipice 2008-02-04 02:44 am UTC (link)
	i'll be critical to your goddamn face, stain. designate place/time. bring fugly bitch in top left corner and i'll take you both on. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	chasingred 2008-02-04 02:50 am UTC (link)
	critical of what? how we look? perez hilton called and he wants you to stop reading people magazine. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	honkyplease 2008-02-04 11:06 pm UTC (link)
	you don't want da surge?! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	john1082 2008-02-04 12:46 am UTC (link)
	Anybody we know? Any LJ lurkers in print? (Reply to this)

flanderses
2008-02-04 12:55 am UTC (link)

I hope that all you democrats vote for Obama on Tuesday!

Not that Clinton is bad. Clinton and Obama are pretty similar policy-wise and both would do well as president, but Clinton is way too polarizing. Obama seems more willing to compromise and do what's best for the nation rather than blindly following his party's goals. He tends to unify, which is exactly what this country needs right now.

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	lv_somegirls 2008-02-04 01:02 am UTC (link)
	nice plug, fake lj profile? or individual too shy to post with regular profile... hrmmm (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	flanderses 2008-02-04 01:08 am UTC (link)
	It's fake, but I didn't create it for this post. I just would rather stay anonymous. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	lv_somegirls 2008-02-04 01:21 am UTC (link)
	don't be so shy http://youtube.com/watch?v=91euxMQ0Zyg (Reply to this) (Parent)

	gnaij 2008-02-04 07:47 am UTC (link)
	Bi-partisanship is overrated. The country does not need "uniting." Why can't we have British-style confrontational politics? The whole system is much more accountable that way. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Young Voters May Care... notus_wind 2008-02-04 01:32 am UTC (link)
	...but that doesn't stop them from being dumber than dirt. The youth prove their stupidity by their faith in the notion that there are actually two parties (the GOP and the Democrats) when in reality there is only "The Party". But I doubt many on LJ actually understand that either... (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Young Voters May Care... threnody_kismet 2008-02-04 06:55 am UTC (link)
	Worse, I know someone voting for Ron Paul. (Reply to this) (Parent)

Re: Young Voters May Care...

gnaij
2008-02-04 07:52 am UTC (link)

I never understand why these Green party types keep barking up the wrong tree. The two-party system is a product of winner-takes-all single member constituencies. If they have a problem, why don't they propose some sort of proportional representation system (e.g. have seats in the House be allotted proportionately within each state)? Telling us to vote third party isn't going to help.

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	Re: Young Voters May Care... watercolorroses 2008-02-04 08:47 am UTC (link)
	I'm sure a proprtional representation system has been proposed, but how would it ever get passed? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: Young Voters May Care...

gnaij
2008-02-04 08:58 am UTC (link)

has it? is it being promoted by any third parties? i haven't heard anything. even the iniative to have electoral votes in CA distributed proportionately is based off of (badly gerrymandered) electoral districts. perhaps if these parties devoted their energies to getting a proportional system passed instead of trying to get people to make a point by voting for candidates with no chance they would have a better chance of changing the system for good. otherwise, the major parties will, as they have repeatedly, just adopt positions of minor parties that show electoral success and push these parties out of contention.

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	Re: Young Voters May Care... watercolorroses 2008-02-04 09:04 am UTC (link)
	oh... yeah, I don't know if any third party is actively promoting a proportional representation system, I just meant that I was sure someone had thought of it before but decided it was politically unfeasible. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Re: Young Voters May Care... like_a_fox23 2008-02-04 10:23 am UTC (link)
	Because proportional representation tends to be very politically unstable, and in the long term, much more dangerous for a democracy than a first-past-the-post voting system. Proportional systems sound great until you have 20 different parties and nothing can be accomplished. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: Young Voters May Care...

gnaij
2008-02-04 11:08 am UTC (link)

it is politically unstable when 1) you have to form parliamentary majorities with coalition governments and any small party in the coalition can bring down the government by simply withdrawing from the coalition and 2) you do not have defined terms and it is possible to immediately remove a the government instead of merely waiting until the next scheduled election. As the U.S. government is neither reliant on a parliamentary majority (Congress and the Executive are often controlled by different parties) nor subject to undefined terms, neither applies. Of course, the need to command majorities within congress will still encourage coalitions, but parties within the coalitions can regularly choose to oppose each other on certain issues with no real consequence (i.e. the measure is not passed, or the mutually opposed big parties have to gain on the small parties).

But then those third party supporters aren't really for political stability. I think the assumption is that a multi (more than two) party system is somehow more "democratic" than a two-party system.

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chasingred
2008-02-04 02:17 am UTC (link)

does anyone have any idea what obama actually wants to do? what does he want us to unite for?

seriously, if anyone can tell me what his policies are about, please let me know. i looked at his site and all his econ stuff is boilerplate, right leaning, or way too vague to be meaningful. frankly, although i only know the econ stuff somewhat well, all his positions seems to be fairly boilerplate, right-leaning, or way too vague to be meaningful.

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	berkeleybeetle 2008-02-04 02:51 am UTC (link)
	It's harder to unite people when you're actually planning things. "I support goodness!" "Hey, me too! Let's unite!" (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	chasingred 2008-02-04 02:57 am UTC (link)
	obama is even worse that that. his central message seems to be "lets unite to get rid of division in this country," wtf? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	cdm137 2008-02-04 07:31 am UTC (link)
	Algebraically closed fields? Son, in this house we deal only with real numbers! (Reply to this) (Parent)

	eigenvalue 2008-02-05 12:38 am UTC (link)
	division is defined in terms of multiplication, unfortunately. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	conceptual 2008-02-04 08:48 pm UTC (link)
	isn't tautology a favorite of politicians? I am so excited ever since I learned the word "tautology" (Reply to this) (Parent)

precipice
2008-02-04 02:55 am UTC (link)

alright this is my best attempt at being serious on the internet: obama is a politician with a posse. if you actually give a shit about predicting his policies, which will be sick vile predictable regurgitations of every democrat AND republican stance imaginable, study his entourage, potential cabinet, possible appointees.

he wants us to unite for some sort of classless class ethic maybe. or for panther pride worldwide. too black, too strong, as they say.

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flanderses
2008-02-04 03:26 am UTC (link)

I agree he's light on specifics, but I don't see that as a problem. What good is it for a candidate to say "I'm going to spend $150 billion on universal health care" when you know once they have to deal with congress their proposal is going to be radically different?

I think his attitude is more important, and it tells me he's going to look at every situation critically without being influenced by party lines.

Though I think the real issue is if Clinton gets the nomination she will mobilize the right, and it'll be tough to get a democrat in the white house. I don't see an Obama nomination having the same effect.

I think an Obama/Clinton ticket is significantly more electable than a Clinton/Obama ticket.

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chasingred
2008-02-04 03:45 am UTC (link)

well his independence of thought shouldnt be overstated

http://www.harpers.org/archive/2006/11/0081275

i dont mind if some specifics are left out, but there should be a vague sense of what the candidate is trying to change. the guy's whole campaign message is "change" after all, so what does he want to change?

personally, i dont see how you can tell someone has independent thinking if they wont even tell you what kind of policies they stand for. his voting record is also too short for us to discern anything.

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	Econ Specifics nonnormalizable 2008-02-04 05:31 am UTC (link)
	Here you go: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/02/us/politics/02obama.html Seriously, this is trivial to find online if you're not just posting to troll. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: Econ Specifics

chasingred
2008-02-04 05:48 am UTC (link)

again, all that seems 1) boilerplate, 2) vague/ meaningless, and 3) when it does get specific, it's right leaning. is this what we're uniting to do? have a politician with no creative policies or policies that are the most right-wing of the original three candidates' plans?

and i didn't say i couldn't find anything online - i went to his website and a few policy think tanks which talked about him. i was saying i couldnt find anything 1) not boilerplate, 2) not vague/ meaningless, or 3) not fairly tilted to the right. if barack obama gets the nomination, he'll be, on econ policies, the most right-wing democratic candidate we've had since at least 1992.

instead of hope, change, and progress, barack obama seems to stand for status quo, boilerplate proposals, and right-leaning economic and healthcare policies.

if people are arguing we should have very right-leaning economic policies in the democratic party, im fine with that discussion. but let's talk about that instead of this total bs about hope, change, and cute little children that's completely meaningless.

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	Re: Econ Specifics nonnormalizable 2008-02-04 05:51 am UTC (link)
	You, my friend, seem to be using very different meanings of the words "meaningless," etc., than those I know. (Goodbye.) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

Re: Econ Specifics

chasingred
2008-02-04 05:58 am UTC (link)

meaningless policies terms are those that cant be operationalized. how about that for a start? or to make an example

barack obama is for

1) taxing the rich and investing in health care, alternative-energy research and education (boilerplate)

2) a permanent tax credit of up to $1,000 for families in the bottom 90 percent or so of the income distribution (right-leaning in context of the democratic party since more of the cut is shifted towards the middle and upper middle class)

3) paying for that tax credit by cracking down on overseas tax havens and corporate tax loopholes (meaningless)

you can literally go through the whole article and find each thing falling into one of those three judgments - boilerplate, meaningless, or right-leaning.

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	like_a_fox23 2008-02-04 10:26 am UTC (link)
	Most of what I've seen seems to advocate taking more money from the rich to support the poor. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	sock_muppet 2008-02-04 06:58 pm UTC (link)
	The vagueness and emphasis on his most mainstream policies are part of a political strategy, because that's more or less the only way a left-leaning Democrat can get elected. If you want to know where he really stands, it's pretty easy to google his voting record in the IL state senate. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

chasingred
2008-02-04 09:22 pm UTC (link)

his voting record is way too short to be really meaningful though. i glanced at it and it seemed like there wasn't enough to distill a real picture of him in various types of situations. plus with less votes, you have to delve more into the specifics of each bill, which i found too hard to do cause it was so contextual to other things.

from the proposals ive read, he's not that left-leaning actually. his econ policies are the most right-leaning of the original three democratic candidates. i would argue he has some of the most right-leaning econ policies in the democratic party actually.

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	ariennette 2008-02-04 03:29 am UTC (link)
	I definitely know the kid who is at the top row, second from the left. Awesome. (Reply to this)

	honkyplease 2008-02-04 11:07 pm UTC (link)
	I'm a young voter and I don't care because all the candidates blow and my vote does not matter because I live in California. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	gnaij 2008-02-04 11:34 pm UTC (link)
	it does this time. this is not the Electoral College. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	the green girl... deadletterb 2008-02-05 01:18 am UTC (link)
	who is she? pretty smile, direct look... I'd send her mail... (Reply to this) (Parent)

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