Mog ([info]mogutaga) wrote in [info]ucberkeley,
@ 2007-01-16 19:46:00
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Making friends, and all that
Dear people at Berkeley who Know [Or Don't Know, I Guess] What They're Doing, Socially, at least,

I know this will sound vaguely pitiful and all that, and well, to get straight to the point, I'm asking for commiseration and you know, shared woefulness and resonant feelings of inadequacy and other big depressing phrases, not offers of friendship and taking-under-wing-age or whatever else you might be thinking, because I'm determined to not be a charity case like I was in high school, and, quite frankly, I probably don't have the social vitality to maintain anything that I start, and, to a greater level, something someone else starts for me, I just want to complain and hear other people complain with me because that's just the type of person I am.

Wow, that was a long disclaimer.

Anyway. I fucking don't have any friends.

Those who would like to leave comments of support or whatnot without reading about the hole I dug myself into to cause this pickle of a situation leave them now before I explicate further and turn this post into a whole just-desserts type of thinger that you can all feel fuzzy walking away from.

After class I would usually just mumble back to the dorm where I'd hop on the computer and play computer games while closeted in my dorm room over at Clark Kerr, there didn't seem to be very much to do on campus, and even if there was I'd be too intimidated by all the put-together people who were in charge or partaking, because well, they were my peers, except better a college [life] than I was and I didn't feel the need to self-flagellate by showcasing all the various ways I could be awkward and quiet and show that behind the unfashionable clothes there was a banal, sporadic, emotionally detached mind noodling around. Even when my roommates brought other people who would cluster and talk at what I perceived to be inopportune times to the room, I'd hide behind my headphones and listen to this one Imogen Heap video that I love. At best I'd acknowledge those who would be around me, at worst I'd pretend they weren't there. I'd say 'hi' and be cordial and facebook a few people that would add me first, but still there was nothing consistent, nothing that'd be here tomorrow or would last even the rest of the day.

At meals when I'd be dragged along in a large group to the dining commons, I'd usually just stay quiet and mumble to myself every once in a while as I took very small, deliberate bites so the onus of speaking wouldn't fall on me. I just wouldn't have anything to say, seriously. I'd also very much not mind if nobody attempted to direct any inclusion questions towards me.

I spend most of my weekends at home, a remnant of a vicious cycle where originally the need arose from wanting to go home because school was scary and besides, home was nicer anyway. Now it's progressed to a point where I don't really see a point to staying here on the weekends anyway since there's a PS2 at home and I can reach RPNirvana and it's not like I have anyone here that wants me to stick around.

And here I am now, whinging on LJ in the Berkeley community, thinking about but steadfastly not at the last minute blaming the setup of the campus and classes and the lack of continuity rather than my own personal shortcomings.


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[info]theevilmachines
2007-01-17 04:50 am UTC (link)
i have no friends either. oh well

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 04:58 am UTC (link)
Thank you.

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(no subject) - [info]simplycynical, 2007-01-17 07:33 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]r_y_l_l, 2007-01-19 11:25 am UTC (Expand)

[info]passion_storm
2007-01-17 04:55 am UTC (link)
you are missing out. seriously.

let your guard down and start talking to people. that's the first step to friendship. being social is a vital skill in the real world.

friends are unbelievabley amazing to have.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 04:59 am UTC (link)
Well, that wasn't exactly what I had asked for, but thank you for taking the time to listen to me complain.

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[info]stereohead
2007-01-17 05:18 am UTC (link)
you say you're looking to "blame something that isn't you," but...it sounds like you've gone out of your way to not talk to people. open up! join stuff. talk to people about their classes, hometowns, clubs, majors, hobbies, whatever. they'll talk back.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 05:26 am UTC (link)
Speaking to people is taxing, if someone were to just talk to me about their life I wouldn't know what to do, I'd think it was vaguely boring and would simply nod and smile and probably just think about something else in the meantime.

Moreover, when it comes down to actually picking people to whom I should speak, well, I can't seem to win.

When it comes down to it, I don't even understand why I want friends, or what I want from them.

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[info]fiberpunk
2007-01-17 05:41 am UTC (link)
I used to feel a lot like this.

I don't anymore, but it took years. I hope it takes less in your case.

PS: Thinking and writing about it makes it worse. Nobody ever got less depressed by eloquently expressing how depressed they were. Nobody ever got more comfortable around people by explaining how uncomfortable they feel. Fake it 'til you make it.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 06:08 am UTC (link)
Thanks :) , I guess after one semester I was under the impression that time had run out. It's good to know I'm not completely fucked for life.

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(no subject) - [info]madeline37, 2007-01-17 06:45 am UTC (Expand)
Just one semester? - [info]vokzal, 2007-01-18 12:34 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]misworded, 2007-01-17 06:13 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]gompers, 2007-01-19 06:57 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]conceptual, 2007-01-19 10:16 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]conceptual, 2007-01-19 10:19 am UTC (Expand)
shared woe.
[info]starlight1979
2007-01-17 05:52 am UTC (link)
i know.

i probably have far less right to complain about loneliness than you do, but i feel it a lot. making friends at cal has proved taxing, and keeping them has proved worse.

for what it's worth, and i don't know, it may be too late for this, you should probably stop going home on the weekends, that's my problem too, i cling to the fact that i have decade-length friendships waiting for me at home (luckily i live far enough away that i can't go back so easily)...it's just that clinging to home makes it worse.

also, i have a cat.

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Re: shared woe.
[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
I don't mind the complaining, it's what I asked for, in a sense, and I'm glad there are people out there.

I also went to high school near Berkeley so that's also another problem to add, it's hard.

Damn, I wish I had a cat.

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Re: shared woe. - [info]vokzal, 2007-01-18 12:36 am UTC (Expand)

[info]derringer2000
2007-01-17 05:55 am UTC (link)
Are you a freshmen?

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
Yes I am.

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(no subject) - [info]derringer2000, 2007-01-17 06:22 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]mogutaga, 2007-01-17 06:34 am UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]myhandsarecold, 2007-01-17 06:43 am UTC (Expand)
sounds familiar
[info]slestialrazbery
2007-01-17 05:56 am UTC (link)
*warm fuzzy*

Just try not to dwell-that just makes it worse and can prevent you from seeing the positives.

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Re: sounds familiar
[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 06:12 am UTC (link)
Thanks, I'll try not to, I guess these issues just became glaringly noticeable when I didn't really come back to anything nice.

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[info]misworded
2007-01-17 06:11 am UTC (link)
First of all, I can relate to you very much. I don't feel as though I've made any real friendships here at Cal, and yet I've been here for more than three years. Everybody's too wrapped up in their own little worlds. I can barely get a lunch in edgewise, and that's with the few people I have left that I remotely care about. Still, at the end of the day, I don't feel like anybody is truly there for me, and that's the crucial part I'm missing.

Despite the empathy I just offered, I really think wallowing in self-pity is only doing you harm. If you're anything like me, faking it goes against everything you stand for, but it's also an amazingly effective tool in training yourself to think/behave a certain way. You can't change the situation you're in until you yourself become an active participant in that change. Get out of your comfort zone of barely acknowledging people to making a conscious effort to get to know them, regardless of how boring hearing about their life is. (I must ask myself, though, why you even care that you have no friends, given your general attitude toward people. I am assuming this stems from bitterness rather than a genuine dislike of humanity.)

Also, think more critically about what you're doing wrong. This isn't to say that you are 100% to blame or that you aren't a perfectly lovely person to know, though I must admit that this post is not an adequate illustration of that. If you're not garnering a huge friend base, think what you are doing to influence that, and then do something about it. As I've found, in a place as big as Cal, you can't expect friends to just walk up to you. You have to create a niche for yourself.

Last-ditch suggestion: become an alcoholic. They seem to have very healthy social lives.

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[info]youreanasshole
2007-01-17 06:18 am UTC (link)
Last-ditch suggestion: become an alcoholic. They seem to have very healthy social lives.

So sadly true.

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(no subject) - [info]mogutaga, 2007-01-17 06:46 am UTC (Expand)

[info]hoyah
2007-01-17 06:13 am UTC (link)
o_o; i kinda get what you mean. i lived in foothill (which is pretty isolated from the rest of campus, despite its closeness to cory) and my first semester was like that. but second semester got easier, because i started eating with my suitemates again and it got easier. start with a few people. it's easier to force yourself to have a conversation with one or two people than with a big group. good luck~

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[info]evcleargrl
2007-01-17 06:21 am UTC (link)
My first semester as an undergrad (not at cal) was kinda lonely too. I made friends, but at that point they didn't really feel like 'real friends' like the ones I had back home.

If you think you're having serious problems I would recommend seeing someone (ie a professional) who can maybe help you overcome your social anxiety. Seriously, I've known a lot of people who have really benefited from this, and there is nothing of which to be ashamed. I think there are people at the Tang Center for this kind of thing?

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[info]evcleargrl
2007-01-17 06:22 am UTC (link)
Another suggestion: Join a club. Thats one great way to find people who have the same interests as you. Maybe a video-game related one?

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[info]threnody_kismet
2007-01-17 06:22 am UTC (link)
It can be hard to make good friends and keep in touch with cool people in Berkeley, especially if you're not in any clubs.

I found it a lot easier for me to make friends once I got out of the dorms because when I was in the dorms and there people around, even ones I wasn't particularly fond of, it was much easier to hang with them then to try to meet up with my other friends. But once out of the dorms, I couldn't be lazy and ended up getting closer to people.

I'm not in any clubs but I've made very very good friends in my classes. Get some people's numbers in your discussion at the beginning of the semester, and just call them every time you have a question on something instead of emailing your GSI. Or just call them the night before or after an assignment is due to commiserate about some stupid or really hard question. Seriously. Berkeley classes will kick your ass and group-ass-kicking leads to bonding. Plus the kind of person you can call the night before an exam for help with a cheat sheet you forgot to do, is a good person.

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[info]misworded
2007-01-17 06:39 am UTC (link)
But how do you make the transition from "study buddy" to actual friend? This is something I've struggled with. It bothers me because I come across some awesome people, but they all slip away because neither I nor them have made the effort outside of class. My automatic assumption is that they already would have let me know if they wanted to do that, and thus conclude that I am not worth getting to know, and really, I'm not willing to accept that answer.

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[info]derringer2000
2007-01-17 07:02 am UTC (link)
What classes do you have?

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 07:07 am UTC (link)
Math 1b, cog. sci 1, comp lit 1b section 14, theater 25ac section 1.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-17 07:05 am UTC (link)
Everyone, thank you very much for your replies, I didn't quite expect this much turnout or anything but it's great to hear from so many of you. I'm a smidge too tired right now to reply to everything, but I've read most of the replies above this, and definitely all the ones timed before 11:05.

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[info]misworded
2007-01-17 07:18 am UTC (link)
We tend to jump on stuff that stands out among the typical book or class posts this time of year... :)

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[info]erinmack
2007-01-17 07:14 am UTC (link)
I have no friends at Cal, save for someone I've been friends with over ten years who just happens to be a fellow transfer student. I'm super friendly and go out of my way to talk to people, but am often ignored. I've only been there one semester, but it seems that not too many people are interested in being friendly to 31 year olds who happen to be pretty quirky to boot. I feel kinda lost in a sea of youth & perfection.

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[info]spoonfeeding
2007-01-17 07:35 pm UTC (link)
hail, fellow geriatric! I'm 31, too. I find people friendly enough, but am really glad I'm from SF and don't have to establish a social life through Cal.

Do you hang out at the transfer center? I've only been there a couple of times, but have been urged to go more by another former Vista student. Supposedly, there are lots of reentry students milling about, so you feel less out of place.

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[info]seleneshine
2007-01-17 07:15 am UTC (link)
Hey there, a couple things. Firstly, I know how much loneliness tends to eat away at your soul (as cliche as that sounds) because I experienced the pangs of it in highschool, so I'm really sorry you're feeling this way and I empathize with you a lot. I also think a lot of people experience rocky starts to college--I def. did (thought it was still marginally better than HS overall). It all seems a bit like random luck sometimes, doesn't it, whether or not you click with cool, interesting people on your floor, etc? It also feels like because the school is so big, lots of times you meet someone and then never seem them again, which stinks.

But secondly, there IS hope. I mean that, and firmly believe it--and know from experience that things def. picked up for me socially as the year progressed. Try practicing conversations with people that might not strike you as particularly fascinating/friend-worthy...but view those convos as *practicing* your social skills for when that right person/friend DOES come along--so you'll know how to chat them up (in a platonic way) and whatnot. Also, join a club whose primarily purpose IS social! Community service, political organziations, etc, are all great, but they cater to a cause, not a social network. Other clubs are different, and exist solely for the purpose of making friends. (eg: Scrabble club...make scrabble friends, whatever). Also, and don't kill me for suggesting this, but look into the Greek system. I know the movies stereotype it as a bunch of idiot alcoholic slutty slackers...but honestly, I've made some AMAZING friends in my house who are completely sweet, thoughtful, intelligent, down to earth people. I'm serious. They're NOTHING like what the movies show at all!! And it's not just my sisters I know, but through the whole Greek system several fraternity men friends and other sorority girls as well. My house forms the basis of my social life--I do have outside friends, but the main thing is here.

Thirdly, I know you didn't ask for taking-under-wingage, and I respect that. But if you change your mind...I've done it before. There was a scared transfer girl in my classics class last year who looked miserable and knew no one, and I randomly decided to befriend her and introduce her to my friends etc. etc. because it's cool for me. So, y'know, just thought I'd throw that offer out there if you're interested.

Fourthly, be more forward with the people you DO click with. By that I mean, don't be afraid to express your interest in maintaining a friendship. I have friends I call a coupl etimes a semester, but every time I do we just pick up where we left off and it's great.

You can do this--just be confident in yourself, because everyone has *something* to offer, and you're well-written free-style journal writeup (which, btw, I enjoyed reading from a purely English major point of view) indicates strongly that you do too.

Good luck.

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[info]stereohead
2007-01-17 08:01 am UTC (link)
I liked this post!

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[info]ohmyluckystar
2007-01-17 07:18 am UTC (link)
come write on my wall, I would like to hang out with you and lend you my ear

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[info]selille
2007-01-17 07:22 am UTC (link)
You mentioned you are a freshman. The suckiest year ever for me in terms of social life. Truthfully, I got it lucky - a labmate of mine invited me and our other labmate out. We three got stuck together because everybody else already chose partners. We three have been friends since... and I built my other friends through other people's willingness to socialize with me. I really have my social life cut out a bit for me in college, as I've come across really cool people (note: they are more outgoing than me) who found that underneath my quiet and weird exterior that I'm cool too (dunno why they think that way). I've basically made my friends that way.

I didn't really ask for a social life, though it would be nice. Being a loner was the name of my game and I find that I did not mind it. Maybe you will chance upon the opportunity to find some few true friends who will stick it out with you no matter how burdensome you feel you are to them.

Even now I am still a relatively quiet withdrawn person, but it doesn't mean I am cold (unless you did something to deserve my disapproval). My tendency to keep to myself and introverted conversations allow me to develop my own sense of self and individuality, which I am somewhat thankful for.

I am a real whiner :)

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:12 am UTC (link)
I definitely can empathize with your keeping to yourself tendencies, and from lots of the other posts here, it does seem like you're lucky. I really wouldn't mind one really good friend.

Whining is good :)

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[info]misworded
2007-01-17 07:28 am UTC (link)
Though this is like my millionth post on this thread, I would like to note that the only time I was truly happy with my social life was when I was living in a co-op. (I should also note that I can do nothing in moderation and so this became more of a hindrance than a help, but I digress.) There were people around all the time, and it felt great just walking downstairs and finding people to hang out with.

Living situations are the absolute easiest way to make friends, though for some reason I didn't make any lasting ones in the dorms. I'm willing to bet that on the whole the people in the co-op were just people I was more readily able to connect with, or had some interest in getting to know. In the dorms, I felt like everybody around me was a clone of each other, the same boring, sheltered fresh-out-of-high-school kiddos. It helps to have a more interesting crowd around.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:14 am UTC (link)
That's an interesting idea.

However, one of my main gripes with a co-op would be the lack of privacy. I can't say I've ever lived in one before, but I'm under the impression that it'd be difficult to just get a bit of 'you time.'

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[info]y_u_r_i_k_o
2007-01-17 07:30 am UTC (link)
I feel your pain. :(

I haven't made new friends since freshmen year... And those friends were my floormates. :/

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:15 am UTC (link)
Thank you for reading, the comment is appreciated.

My floormates are okay, I have a hard time connecting with them because I can't seem to really ever want them to be around.

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[info]peaceoutforlife
2007-01-17 07:37 am UTC (link)
This is off-topic, but I really really like your icon.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:15 am UTC (link)
Thanks :) It was a MS paint job gone slightly awry.

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[info]eikayatai
2007-01-17 07:45 am UTC (link)
It took me more than a year to make ONE good friend in Berkeley, and even that was kind of accidental. After that I joined Theatre Rice and was surrounded by a bunch of warm people, but still, they're more of what I'd call acquaintances than real, close friends that I would confide my secrets to. It took me another year to find a few more friends that I actually hang out with, so what I'm trying to say is.. don't worry too much about it. You don't have to rush it, you will meet people who "get" you and are into things that you like. After all, Berkeley is such a diverse community.

P.S. Do you play WoW?

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[info]angelrinoa
2007-01-17 08:06 am UTC (link)
WoW is the devil and will suck the social life out of anyone who dares to touch it.

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[info]shutpb4islapu
2007-01-17 08:03 am UTC (link)
umm might sound cheesy but try going to fraternity rush, it's really easy to make friends there, not to mention free food and stuff. it's the one week where the houses open themselves up to strangers to come by and make friends...whether or not they're interested in joining.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:18 am UTC (link)
I'll consider it, frat houses scare me a little bit but I guess they're worth a gander.

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[info]angelrinoa
2007-01-17 08:05 am UTC (link)
Things get better after the first semester of freshman year. I came back from winter break feeling like I missed my friends back home more than I missed Berkeley. By the time sophomore year rolled around, I felt closer to my Berkeley friends than my friends back home.

Also, you have to try. People don't just come out and introduce themselves at random, and if they do, sometimes they are just introducing themselves to know names and not personalities. So be wary of those. But the fact remains, you have to try. And maybe if you stop being so self-conscious and put yourself out there and laugh (a lot), you'll get much more than sitting in front of your computer, waiting for people to commiserate with you.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:21 am UTC (link)
I was actually really looking forward to coming back to university, but then when I actually did come back it was kind of super disappointing, which was partly why I posted this. Earlier I was also told that my expectations might have been to grand, and I guess that's probably true.

I'm not going to argue with the trying part, if anything that's the general lesson I'll be taking from everything.

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[info]supersierra
2007-01-17 08:21 am UTC (link)
I had this problem in high school.

But, the best advice I've ever heard is "If you want to make friends, be a friend"

Most people are nice, and if you talk/pretend to be at least vaguely interested in what they're interested in, they'll be more than happy to be your friend. If not, then they're not worth your time.

Good luck w/ finding more friends.

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[info]mogutaga
2007-01-18 05:28 am UTC (link)
Thanks for the advice. It sucks that you had to deal with this in high school, but I'm glad you found a way to help things work out.

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