ubc: LSATs? and prep courses. Where do I sign

plainoljane (

plainoljane) wrote in

ubc,
@ 2006-10-01 13:16:00

LSATs? and prep courses.

Where do I sign up? Usually there are flyers everywhere but I haven't seen any... How do I go about this...

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	euglena 2006-10-01 09:39 pm UTC (link)
	I think we had this question before. I swear I don't work for Kaplan, but my friend took their course and got 165. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	plainoljane 2006-10-01 09:43 pm UTC (link)
	I checked the memories and the last 25 posts in the community and nothing like that... Do you know anything else about Kaplan and how one takes the LSAT? (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tigerhearts 2006-10-02 10:12 pm UTC (link)
	yeah haha that was me. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	the_tlg 2006-10-02 02:33 am UTC (link)
	http://www.lsac.org/ for the LSAT. http://www.kaptest.com/ for Kaplan. Though I didn't take Kaplan and also got 165. So I don't swear by it. I recommend just buying a book/study guide that'll have sample LSATs in it. The courses are often expensive, and you don't get much more than you'd get by taking practice tests. (Reply to this)

	jellygrlfrnd 2006-10-02 05:37 pm UTC (link)
	Ugh... I just wrote the LSAT on Saturday. Biggest fucking stress ever. I was going to do Kaplan but tis way way too expensive for me. I just went to Chapters and bought a practice test (Dec 2005, I think), Baron's Key to the LSAT, and Princeton Review Cracking the LSAT 2006.... all for like $90. But alas, I can't say how well I did on the test yet :P (Reply to this) (Thread)

	plainoljane 2006-10-02 05:39 pm UTC (link)
	The LSAT itself is friggin' expensive. 125bucks US? If it's mandatory, why the hell do they make you pay through the nose for it? (Reply to this) (Parent)

tigerhearts
2006-10-02 10:12 pm UTC (link)

Which one are you taking?
I am taking the LSATs course from Kaplan, it's $1299. Yes expensive, but it all depends on what you believe will help you the most. If you don't think you need classes, lots of people study on their own and do well.

The section I am taking has already started, but there are another few more condensed ones (same number of sessions, but twice every week instead of once every week) in preparation for the Dec 2 exam.

To take the LSAT itself all you have to do is register and print off a ticket to bring to the test center with you.

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	angelfoodcake 2006-10-02 11:23 pm UTC (link)
	There's also Pacific LSAT --- http://www.pacificlsat.com (Reply to this)

everyhesitation
2006-10-03 06:49 am UTC (link)

Princeton Review's Cracking the LSAT is a great book if you want to avoid the financial de-pantsing of a course. It was really helpful in understanding what the different types of questions are looking for in a "right" answer. I cuddled up with the book for a bit and got the most popular LSAT score on livejournal (is 165 the only score they give out nowadays?) But yes, take a course if you need incentive to practice practice. You can also order past tests directly from LSAC if you want even more practice. SO much practice...

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	plainoljane 2006-10-03 07:01 am UTC (link)
	What's a "good" score on the LSAT? I thought in Legally Blonde she needed a 4.0 and a 171... but then, it is a Reese Witherspoon movie and not real life (and I'm not going to Harvard or anything)... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

everyhesitation
2006-10-03 06:35 pm UTC (link)

(I apologize in advance if this gets double-posted)
A good score is whatever score will get you into the law school of your choice. And that of course depends on what type of legal studies your interested in. If you're looking at one of the top law schools in Canada (ie. McGill) the average LSAT score was around 161. BUT McGill doesn't even require you to take an LSAT. UBC on the other hand DOES require you to take the LSAT, but the average score is slightly lower (160 or something).
Regardless, you should choose your law school based on the type of law you want to study. Check which universities have the best program in your desired area, then find out whether they even require an LSAT score for application and what score you would need to be confident in your acceptance.
Here is a good website to check out: http://www.lsac.org/canadianCFC/Canadian_homepage.asp
Another thing to consider is special admissions for aboriginal students. You may not need as high of an LSAT score under certain acceptance policies. Its probably best to shoot for 90th+ percentile (160 or higher) just to be safe, but its certainly possible to be accepted with a lower score

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	plainoljane 2006-10-04 02:04 am UTC (link)
	Thanks. I already know I want to go to UBC Law School, and their admission policy for Aboriginal students is a little streange: everyone gets in first, and then Native people get considered. I don't know why, but I hope there's some sort of justification for this. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	noosh 2006-10-08 12:01 am UTC (link)
	there is. Aboriginal students, statisicaly, are alot worst of when taking standardized tests (like the LSAT) Thats why they have their own special category. And indeed, UBC is quite easy to get into. Just get a 165 or so and you're set. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	plainoljane 2006-10-08 04:54 am UTC (link)
	But if an Aboriginal student performs just as well, if not better, than other students on their LSAT, but checks off that magical box on the Law School application, he or she may not get a spot. And UBC should be giving priority admission to Aboriginal students in their law program. It is, after all, Musqueam land that UBC is built upon... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

(Anonymous)
2006-10-08 08:19 am UTC (link)

Then why would he check of the boxif he has better than median scores?
But more importantly. I will bet you that any Aboriginal student that checks of the box and has scores that are even 20% lower than the median UBC regular applicant then that Aboriginal will get in.

So, in my opinion they do give priority to aboriginal students by not forcing them to participate in the general pool, where, statisticaly, they would perform poorer.

As to the land question, why not give it to students of British or Russian or Spanish descent, all had claim on that land at some point!

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plainoljane
2006-10-08 05:38 pm UTC (link)

A) Because there are special entrance scholarships available to Aboriginal students from Aboriginal organizations on campus and affiliated with the university.

B) You can't make that guarantee.

C) The trouble with that is that the general pool applicants get all the spots first. There are no "reserved" (no pun intended)spots for Aboriginal students. IF there are leftovers, THEN the Aboriginal students get them.

D) That's a historically unfounded comment. Aboriginal people have lived on that land for over 10,000 years. The land was STOLEN from them by explorers and they were compensated with blankets infected with smallpox, syphillis, and other diseases for which ABoriginal people had no immunity. There is a signed document in the Museum of Anthropology stating that the land UBC is built upon belongs to the Musqueam people. Russians, Spanish, and English people have no LEGAL claim to the land.

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noosh
2006-10-08 07:44 pm UTC (link)

[quote]A) Because there are special entrance scholarships available to Aboriginal students from Aboriginal organizations on campus and affiliated with the university.[/quote]
So, Aboriginal students get a bonus over everyone else as they get exclusive scholarships.
[quote]B) You can't make that guarantee. [/quote]
Why not? Seriously. I'll bet you anything that that is what happens.
[quote]C) The trouble with that is that the general pool applicants get all the spots first. There are no "reserved" (no pun intended)spots for Aboriginal students. IF there are leftovers, THEN the Aboriginal students get them.
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I somehow doubt that they put the Aboriginals back in the line. But lets say they did, again how many Aboriginal students, who, with the Median GPA/LSAt of UBC, did not get into UBC?
[quote]D) That's a historically unfounded comment. Aboriginal people have lived on that land for over 10,000 years. The land was STOLEN from them by explorers and they were compensated with blankets infected with smallpox, syphillis, and other diseases for which ABoriginal people had no immunity. There is a signed document in the Museum of Anthropology stating that the land UBC is built upon belongs to the Musqueam people. Russians, Spanish, and English people have no LEGAL claim to the land.[/quote]
How do you steal land? The tribes signed over their land in treaties, which are the basis of current negotations with the Federal/provincial government.
But if those treaties are void, how can the Musqueam people prove that they realy owned the land for 10,000 years? Maybe some other people were there, and were whiped out by the Musqueam. We dont know.

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plainoljane
2006-10-08 08:55 pm UTC (link)

Aboriginal students get exclusive scholarships under the terms of the people who donate the money. I don't see what's unfair about that; it's no different than saying that some scholarships are only available for Science majors, or whatever.

Prove it.

I don't know, but likely many.

If you knew anything about the treaty process, instead of making ignorant comments, you'd know that there were NO historical treaties signed in BC. And over 100% of BC's land mass is tied up in current treaty negotiations because of the fact that NO TREATIES WERE SIGNED DURING THE FOUNDING YEARS. The basis of current negotiations is, in fact, more to do with anthropological and archaeological evidence and Aboriginal histories that PROVE people were here (at minimum) 10,000 years ago. And we know the Musqueam were here because of that evidence and those histories. How there are baskets and bones and whatnot that have been discovered and traced back to current families.

You really shouldn't argue about whether or not this is Aboriginal land and that Aboriginal people have claim to the land with a First Nations Studies major.

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	noosh 2006-10-09 06:42 am UTC (link)
	Well because you can choose to be a science major, you cant choose to which parents you are born. No, you prove it. Has there ever been a case of an aboriginal student applying to UBC that was about 10% of what UBC reqs are and been rejected? I mean it couldnt be hard to find out, for a First Nations Studies major, wouldnt it? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	plainoljane 2006-10-09 06:24 pm UTC (link)
	I don't think my major has anything to do with finding out information. You'r being incredibly rude about the whole thing, anyway. You're the one who made the unfounded statement, now it's your responsibility to back it up. (Reply to this) (Parent)

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