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@ 2003-12-29 03:11:00

http://www.livejournal.com/community/advice/151574.html

Righto.

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	skittlegryph 2003-12-29 09:17 am UTC (link)
	Is it... is it bad that I find the rampant stupidity in the comments funny as all hell? (Reply to this)

	i_nightblade 2003-12-29 09:27 am UTC (link)
	I refuse to believe that's anything more than a troll. Because that hit every note possible. It's bad enough that I'm probably going to Hell just for even reading it. Tht said, real or not, that is PERFECT. It's every sin in one neat little package. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	jarbabyj 2003-12-29 03:54 pm UTC (link)
	For my dollar, it's not the troll that's funny but the ALL CAPS ASIAN HATING WHORE ASS. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	shinkuu 2003-12-29 04:07 pm UTC (link)
	More like CHINK NIGGER ARAB BUTTFUCKER. That was priceless. But yeah, the original post just sounds so much like a troll. Mainly because I've already heard a similar story, except there were a lot less serious responses since it was about a guy and his mother, so it just kicked up the "OMGOMGINCEST" flag a lot faster. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	i_nightblade 2003-12-29 06:44 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, I agree. I think he almost made bigotry funny, if not fashionable, again. But you have to give the OP credit--I couldn't have made that up if I tried. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	bemysty 2003-12-29 09:46 am UTC (link)
	That considerably brightened my day. Not even by the sheer stupidity of the original post, but also (of course) by the constant trolling. Righto indeed. (Reply to this)

	didodiva 2003-12-29 12:39 pm UTC (link)
	I just get the impression he lives in the boondocks wearing a hunters cap everywhere he goes and chewing tobacco, despite his classy name. The flamer must know him in real life or something, because there is no way he/she could know the boy's nationality from a post that doesn't even mention it. (Reply to this)

kibbles
2003-12-29 12:42 pm UTC (link)

One, that was the most insane thing I read all day (I did just get up though). Awful. NUTS!

Two, and I may get a bit of crap for this but I don't care.

The thought of what appears to me to be not more than children (the eldest of the 3 mods is still 10 years younger than me) giving out advice is laughable. Not that someone in their early 20s is completely stupid, and yes, I suppose they have insight for people closer to their age that I might not even have, but I could just imagine going to them with a problem with my 13 year marriage, my house, my kids. Maybe I should make up some imaginary problem with my 401K plan, or how to best figure out who gets what when I die!

One community for advice only lets the mods give answers, and it was a couple of girls who are taking psych classes in college. So of course they know EVERYTHING.

The more I think about it, the more I want to come up with a completely 'grown up' problem. Perhaps about the difficulties of taking care of a parent and a child at the same time (I don't but a lot of people are in that situation). Hrm.

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	unmeiron 2003-12-29 02:32 pm UTC (link)
	Do it! It'd blow their little teenage minds! But I agree entirely. I just kept wondering why this person even posted the so called "problem" and then ripped everyone who posted a reply a new asshole. Ask a stupid question get a stupid answer sort of thing, ne? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

kibbles
2003-12-29 02:35 pm UTC (link)

I should make a new account for it or something. . .I actually take my journal somewhat seriously! I think I will wait until I find an ad for that community advertised by those 3 girls who know it ALL. And if it is advice relationship, I'll do something about my marriage and having to take care of my senile mother in law and how its ruining my sex life, or perhaps how our inability to concieve is causing a rift. Something out of the realm of experience for the mods. :D

You know, I was TRYING to turn over a new leaf and be a GOOD person. Oh well! :)

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kerikeri
2003-12-29 07:56 pm UTC (link)

Not that someone in their early 20s is completely stupid

Oh, thanks. Good to know you don't think everyone younger than you is completely stupid. Just mostly stupid, right?

I know I shouldn't get wanky here, but I found the tone of this incredibly condescending, and I think going and trolling these people to embarrass them because you think they're unqualified to give advice to older people is frankly pretty disgusting (and, dare I say it, rather childish...). Besides, it's pointless because this isn't one of the communities where only the mods can give advice, so how do you know there wouldn't be people there who could answer your questions?

Even if there aren't, maybe it's just a community targeted more toward teens and young adults-- there's nothing wrong with that. They certainly don't deserve to be trolled because you don't think anyone who doesn't know everything about your oh-so-mature adult problems has no right to be giving advice to anyone. But do as you will. I just hope you don't drag this community into it, because we don't deserve to be made to look so bad.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 08:21 pm UTC (link)

Why are you being so incredibly sensitive about this? Do I have to write all sorts of flowery disclaimers before giving an opinion, lest I possibly offend someone?

Sounds like you WANTED to be offended by what I wrote.

If you read the holier than thou community info page of this community of three students who are taking psychology classes and passing themselves off as qualified to give solid advice, you'd perhaps sing a different song. It was terrible. And the advice given? Downright destructive, in some cases.

What started as a conversation between two people having a laugh about advice communities turned into someone getting their knickers in a twist over absolutely nothing.

Furthermore, if you look at the userinfo of the other poster, they are indeed quite a bit younger than I am, and I myself am not very old. But I take it in your black and white world no one can make jokes or wonder what it would be like asking those who think they know it all a really tough question.

The people with the real issues are those who think they are qualified to help others, and give out sometimes dangerous advice to people who feel they have nowhere else to turn. THEY are the ones you should be lashing out at, not someone who had a bit of a laugh about the internet in a thread about train-wreckish websites.

I never would have expected to see in my inbox, a reprimand from someone who doesn't know me, who doesn't know a situation, but feels fully qualified to try to tell me what to do.

I did not go to an advice community, nor is this an advice community. So please, save it for Dear_eljay or something like that, where people may want completely useless advice about situations that don't exist.

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kerikeri
2003-12-29 08:36 pm UTC (link)

I have, actually, seen that community you're referring to. It is stupid, but it's not just because it's run by college students. There are intelligent young people out there who are capable of giving thoughtful advice, and there are stupid older people who are not. I have no problem with calling stupid people stupid, but saying twenty-somethings are "barely more than children" and mocking them because they don't know everything about 401K plans and raising kids is being obviously age-biased and condescending.

Besides, nothing I've seen about the community we're currently discussing implies that the mods "think they know everything" or think they're qualified to give professional advice. Lumping them in with the morons running that other community just because they're around the same age is, again, being age-biased. I see no reason why teens or young adults should be mocked just for starting a community to give advice to other teens and young adults. Certainly, these communities should not replace professional help in cases where professional help is needed, but I see nothing wrong with peers helping peers deal with the more everyday problems in life.

Also, where did I tell you what to do? I said I thought your "joking" was nasty and childish, and that it would give this community a bad name if people found out you'd gotten the idea from here. All of which is true. I don't believe I commanded you to do anything. But joke all you want-- I just feel the need to speak up when people are being condescending toward and mocking others for no other reason than their age.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 08:54 pm UTC (link)

I have yet to state that people younger than me are incapable of giving advice. I've recieved advice, and paid for advice (medical, electrical and so on) from people younger than me. But you are just reaching to make me out to be some sort of ageist monster. (Save me, I just said AGEIST.)

It isn't just the age, it is the presumption that if you take a few classes in college you are able to give advice to people. That would make me fully qualified to give advice, if we were to use that as criteria.

Perhaps you are a bit lost -- this thread, the thread before you got to it and looked a million different ways for offense, went from "look how stupid that thread was" to how stupid other communities were. It was a general conversation that you were stretching to fit your needs so you could come here and try to rap me on the nose like a bad puppy.

My joking was nasty and childish? Right now, the only thing childish is you throwing a tantrum because I gave my honest opinion about something, and did not use politically correct speech with a lot of overblown flowery language to make sure I did not offend any sentient creature on this planet, or, indeed, universe.

You feel the need to speak up when people over THIS? First of all, I was NOT doing what you said, and secondly, in a world of people going hungry, going homeless, people killing each other, fighting, hatred, and so on, THIS is what you hone in on? You are CAUSING strife and difficulty by creating problems where there are none. It's as if you WANT to cause trouble, prove some sort of point, and thereby proving your wisdom and maturity by trying to make an example out of me.

This is ridiculous, and indictive of the attitude I do find offensive in many people younger than me -- a symptom I find more in younger people than older people.

Shall I go against my convictions and start to exempt various younger people from that statement? Shall I have to give examples of younger people who have done the right thing, which is just as vile as someone saying, "oh, but I have friends who are black/are gay"? (Those two are the most common examples I see in everyday life.)

My actions speak for me. My words, in a situation where weight is merited, speak for me. I am a good, fair, decent, hardworking person.

I will not let someone with some sort of agenda try to say otherwise. I have no idea who pissed in your Wheaties this morning, but it was not me. Go take this energy and do something productive with it. You're not just wasting my time, you're wasting your own.

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	kerikeri 2003-12-29 09:03 pm UTC (link)
	I have yet to state that people younger than me are incapable of giving advice. Oh, really? "The thought of what appears to me to be not more than children (the eldest of the 3 mods is still 10 years younger than me) giving out advice is laughable." I rest my case. Have a nice day. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

kibbles
2003-12-29 09:22 pm UTC (link)

So yes, twist things, take them out of context -- what did you accomplish? What did you do today to make it a better world?

Wow. You got insulted, took things out of context, too seriously, and think you put me in my place.

I am so impressed. You've made a real difference. In ten years I will expect you will have stopped racism, cured cancer, and solved the housing crisis in the USA, with world famine almost completely eradicated.

Yep, your post and $2 will get me on the bus to do something worthwhile. So why don't we cut your post out completely, I'll use my metrocard, and I'll go back to making a difference and you can go back to making much ado about nothing. You win!

Like a friend said, the person that wins an internet argument is the one with the most time on their hands. I guess that's you.

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gzat
2003-12-29 09:45 pm UTC (link)

Like a friend said, the person that wins an internet argument is the one with the most time on their hands. I guess that's you.

Pardon me, but it looks like you have more free time. You wrote nearly twice as much as her.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 09:54 pm UTC (link)

Didn't know you were going to resubmit it -- so I will do it again (please, anything but more cooking right about now, cooking and trying to fix XP) -- I do type fast -- former secretary and all that.

(It's not nearly as amusing as the HUGE post I wrote about saying less. Now THAT was enough to leave you shaking your head.)

And one more thing? Waffles ARE good. I'll agree with you on that one.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 09:42 pm UTC (link)

Hit submit too soon -- just one more point -- do I really have to explain to someone lucid enough to sign up for an LJ that what was childish was the actions of the children who started that community? That what brought attention to their age was their actions, not their user info page? I just find it so hard to believe that someone who has gone this far in life can miss something so simple -- but I present it here to you, in case it wasn't clear to you (which is what I assume could be the big stumbling block to this -- please tell me that there really aren't people out there who try to find offense in everything? Who am I kidding. But I tried, and hope that there are signs of intelligent life out there. A girl can dream.)

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kerikeri
2003-12-29 10:06 pm UTC (link)

do I really have to explain to someone lucid enough to sign up for an LJ that what was childish was the actions of the children who started that community?

Either you're not making yourself clear, or I missed something. What did the mods of

advice do to deserve such vitriol? I don't even see them participating in the thread that was linked at all. If you're talking about the mods of the other community you randomly brought up, that really has nothing to do with this discussion, because they're not the ones you initially criticized for being 10 years younger than you and "not more than children," and therefore being unqualified to give advice.

I have no problem with you calling the mods of the other comm idiots (though I still would prefer that their age be left out of the criticism, because age and stupidity are not necessarily correlated), but the fact that they're idiots doesn't make the mods of all advice communities idiots, nor does it make all people who are their age idiots.

That what brought attention to their age was their actions, not their user info page?

Putting aside the fact that I still can't figure out who the hell you're talking about, the fact that you think inappropriate and immature behavior is "bringing attention to age" and not "bringing attention to stupidity" makes it clear that you are biased.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 10:28 pm UTC (link)

The mods of Advice did nothing.

I'm going to start over since I am not being clear, and since I'm actually using this as an excuse to not do what I am supposed to do (slacker that I am) might as well try to make sense.

The whole thought of the advice community, reminded me of the Dumb Community with Three Little Girls (mentally, not so much age) Advice Community. Which made me think about going THERE (and just randomly any non-professional advice community) and coming up with some really big problems that they probably would not have come across, just to see what they would say.

I ask the opinion of everyone on my friends list lots of things, all the time. I get just as good advice from the 'kids' as I do the 'grownups' and some of the grownups I read could use a kick in the rear sometimes. And sometimes I do specifically go to people younger for advice, especially where my kids are concerned, like when one of my kids was bullied. But these are people I already know somewhat, and I take it all in when thinking things over. It's not about age.

Now back to when I was talking about the age of moderators. I was talking about the age of the moderators of that VERY stupid advice forum. I wanted to see what kind of people would go around giving (what looked like) bad advice. So I happened to notice that they were young, which is why I brought it up in my description of them. The way they were presenting themselves were that they were experienced and educated, and they were really, in my eyes, acting like children.

I know there ARE communities of professionals here -- I've seen the social worker community, and I've seen some of the questions they've fielded. Good stuff. (They are by social workers, for social workers.) A LOT of people in that community are younger than me. Many are still in college. But I would listen to them before these knuckleheads in STUPID ADVICE COMMUNITY.

And if STUPID ADVICE COMMUNITY was run by a number of people remarkably older than me, I'd probably make some catty remark about them forgetting what it was like to be my age, or how out of touch they were with things.

I don't know why you are harping on this. These were just playful remarks about advice communities, and a bit about how I would feel that some of them would NOT understand my problems, or the problems of older people. If my 401K tanked because of the economy would they have good advice? If I was about to snap because I can't handle dealing with my toddlers demands on top of my grandmother's demands for the right shaped pasta because I do her shopping, would STUPID ADVICE COMMUNITY have the information for me? I doubt it very much.

The problems facing people in my situation (not necessarily my age -- at 34 a lot of my friends are only starting to have children now, so I can't turn to people my age for advice about my 8 year old, if age were a factor) are vastly different from someone heartbroken over a breakup. And if I find some sort of amusement out of this, because the problems facing someone like me are sometimes just so frightening, difficult, and demanding, I see nothing wrong with that. Believe me, it would be nice if I could just make everything perfect by going to an advice community. I'd like to be able to say "should I go out with Joe or Ron on Saturday". But instead I have to wonder how I will cope with my father, for example, when he is unable to walk anymore, or if I am doing the right thing having my children help out at the Community Dinner every month even though sometimes my daughter cries at how sad the world is? Shelter her or show her? What do I do when my grandmother forgets a brand is no longer made and I can't find it and she's sad or confused or even angry? How the heck will I support my mother in law when she finally can't work anymore? She has no savings!

So yes, sue me for finding humor in that -- for remembering a time when these were not concerns. For knowing that there is a good chance, in STUPID ADVICE COMMUNITY (the one with the 3 mods who answer all the questions or other permutations of advice communities I saw) I will just be met with silence.

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	sweet_papaya 2003-12-29 11:50 pm UTC (link)
	Don't mind kerikeri she loves to get offended over stupid things, I know this from experience :P (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	taxilnecrobane 2003-12-30 01:13 am UTC (link)
	and in that vain, do keep in mind that she's easy predictable becouse of that. simmialer to a kid's toy. ^^ (Reply to this) (Parent)

jfpbookworm
2003-12-29 10:09 pm UTC (link)

yes, I suppose they have insight for people closer to their age that I might not even have, but I could just imagine going to them with a problem with my 13 year marriage, my house, my kids. Maybe I should make up some imaginary problem with my 401K plan, or how to best figure out who gets what when I die!

Well, as far as "advice" goes, I think there's a fundamental difference between asking the sort of questions that require a specialist answer (e.g., most medical, financial and legal questions) and those for which a specialist answer may be nice, but a layperson's input can be helpful too (e.g., questions about social situations). I don't think it's immature to focus on the latter (most "real" advice columnists do), and I don't see how age would be a requirement to capably answer those.

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kibbles
2003-12-29 10:34 pm UTC (link)

Ok, forgetting the 401K questions -- but things like coping with being stuck in between -- taking care of elderly parents AND children. There are social questions that I feel you would need some experience or education for. You'd really have to see the community I was talking about (not the one originally in this thread) to see what I meant. It was 3 college students, who were the only people who would answer questions, and their attitude and words were that they were experienced enough and educated enough to give good advice. Based on the advice I saw -- I didn't think either situation was the case. And even if they were 70, it would still apply.

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evloret
2003-12-29 03:44 pm UTC (link)

Only reading a few of those comments because there's so damn many and I'm just... In awe of all of it. The situation the Terrance person is in, the mentality of that person ("Hmm, should I keep going out with my boyfriend, or should I commit incest?"), and the troll in the comments screaming his racism crap. Just... Wow. However...

Your birth certificate was an apology letter from the abortion clinic...

Is quite possibly one of the best insults I've ever heard.

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	mariagoner 2003-12-29 04:40 pm UTC (link)
	Hi guys! I hope you don't mind me posting that link to OTF_Wank at http://www.journalfen.net/community/otf_wank/46789.html BTW, here's a short, parodic sequel of that column for the next day: http://www.livejournal.com/community/advice/152011.html The trolls strike back! And it is funny as all heck. (Reply to this)

	saecha 2003-12-29 06:35 pm UTC (link)
	Hahahaha ok so I read this and thought, "OK guys a troll is not a trainwreck," Then I read the comments......... oy. Funny stuff. (Reply to this)

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