frootyness ([info]frootyness) wrote in [info]time_and_chips,
@ 2005-05-31 17:26:00
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MASSIVE episode 12 & 13 spoilers.
Massive, massive spoilers for the ending episodes. Copied and Pasted from a spoiler at www.evanescence.co.uk/forum (I am unaware where it was originally posted, sorry...so it might be just rumours. But it seems extremely likely and inkeeping with the rest of the story, so i'm presuming it's as real as people are saying it is, and not just a really good theory...)

Apologies if this has been posted before. But you just can't resist the temptation of seeing how the series ends;

"As will be revealed in Episode 12 of the same name, Bad Wolf is a reality TV show watched by aliens on many planets, it involves unwitting participants been thrown into different situations to see how they develop. Therefore, throughout the entire show the Doctor has had control of his destiny until episode two, The End of the World, it was here that he encountered the Face of Boe who turns out to be very instrumental to the entire Bad Wolf show, hence why he's operation was on the news. The astute viewer should now realise that it was after The End of the World that the Doctor first began to lose his sense of direction with the TARDIS this time around, and this was because he didn't control his destiny, he was simply there for the entertainment value that it is to watch he's suffering, for example:

Rose - The Doctor appears, unconnected to the story except for what the Nestene says because he speaks with a prior knowledge of the Doctor's destiny.

TEOTW - The Doctor encountes the Face of Boe and other rich aliens, it's here that he falls into the trap.

TUD - The Doctor aims for a different year and place to where he arrives.

AoL/WWIII - The Doctor is thrown of course by 12 months so that something more intresting can be witnessed.

DALEK, TLG and FD - No real explanation as to why the Doctor is where he is but barring Father's Day, it's against his will.

TEC/TDD - The Doctor is once again placed somewhere he doesn't wish to be.

In this episode the Doctor, Rose and Captain Jack are thrown into their final challenges to see how they cope with retro TV situations, this explains the use of Trinny and Susannah plus Ann Robinson. At the end of this episode they are given by the show the ultimate challenge, having to return to the end of the devestating Time War between the Daleks and the Time Lords. It is in this episode that the Doctor regenerates, thrown into a vortex at the end, altering the course of history and allowing the Daleks to survive. Therefore mostly all of the Bad Wolf references were an equivalent to adverts to the show, to say "you are watching bad wolf". Also it is revealed that this show the Doctor has unwittingly become involved in is looped, much like 24-hour television. He will always regenerate at the end of the time war, he will detect at the Autons but the most significant thing is he will always be defeated. That is until he chose to take Rose along, who wasn't part of the script, with her present, she breaks him out of the loop, he regenerates (he'll always be this way the same incarnation, a satisfying way of getting past the 13 lives rule) and gets a new body."


*Le gasp*

I think some of it was predictable...other parts...certainly not.


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[info]niav
2005-05-31 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Interesting! If that's true, then I'm really reminded of a computer game I played, Knights of the Old Republic II, where you have to return to the scene of a massive war as well.

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[info]cottonwoolfairy
2005-05-31 04:38 pm UTC (link)
It does sound viable, but I could have sworn I've read this somewhere before - posted just as a hypothesis.

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[info]steviesun
2005-05-31 05:14 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I think I heard about it as a theory too. There was something in the sun about a gameshow/ big brother like thing coming up, but who knows. It's not a very great idea for the series if that's what they've done and personally I don't like the idea and will get seriously angry with them if it's true. It just doesn't do 9th justice, he's such a great character. It's just horrid.

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[info]neth_dugan
2005-05-31 05:16 pm UTC (link)
true, if they do it as most people would it'll be crap.

But, if it were true (and seeing as it's aparently only a theory, it wont be) and done really well they could pull it off.

It'd be VERY hard though.

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[info]gemz_lee
2005-05-31 09:26 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, it was something I posted on my LJ last week.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/acid_lee/64352.html#cutid1

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[info]eruvadhril
2005-06-01 08:30 am UTC (link)
Yeah, I swear I've read this already somewhere. Word for word in some spots.

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[info]neth_dugan
2005-05-31 05:14 pm UTC (link)
huh

Still not a big fan of the entire TV thing but, if it's done this way and done well... it could be good.

he'll always be this way the same incarnation

Is my brain not working, or is that confusing. Huh?


And good on Rose, woohoo!!

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[info]abby_i
2005-05-31 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Nope, confused me too.

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[info]lm_jillybean
2005-05-31 05:46 pm UTC (link)
You know, if that spoiler is true, it sounds like my denial theory has a whole lot of credence

*bubbles with excitement*

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[info]abby_i
2005-05-31 05:48 pm UTC (link)
Heh, I know, I was thinking the same kinda thing. Gotta take what we can get after all.

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[info]lm_jillybean
2005-05-31 05:51 pm UTC (link)
Denial! Where the conga lines never end, and the river flows with the alcohol of your choice . . .

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[info]abby_i
2005-05-31 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I sense a party coming on. As long as there is jello shots and perno I'm there!

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[info]doylefan22
2005-05-31 05:55 pm UTC (link)
I've set up camp in denial and refuse to leave. It's nice here.

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[info]_tanith_
2005-05-31 09:21 pm UTC (link)
tee....I read that as jello shots and porno.....

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[info]abby_i
2005-05-31 10:33 pm UTC (link)
Well, that works too...

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[info]cedara
2005-05-31 05:17 pm UTC (link)
So because he was in the time loop he always had regenerated into his Ninth incarnation? But now he is able to move past that to the Tenth? Did I get that right?

Aside from that, it sounds like a very plausible rumour.

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[info]excentryke
2005-05-31 06:19 pm UTC (link)
woah ... if this is true that would be ABSOLUTELY insane ... but we'll unfortunately, just have to "wait and see" ...

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[info]dune_drd
2005-05-31 09:50 pm UTC (link)
It would explain why he survived while the Daleks and the rest of the Time Lords didn't, but I'm not sure if I like the idea.
I see me crying already because that would mean in the end, the 9th Doc would be kind of happy to "die" because he's finally out of the tv-loop... Hm.. that just doesn't sound right to me. Can I have a tent in the great country of denial, too?

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[info]lm_jillybean
2005-05-31 10:55 pm UTC (link)
Can I have a tent in the great country of denial, too?

Our borders are always open, what's your tipple?

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[info]dune_drd
2005-06-01 08:53 am UTC (link)
Anything that stops my headache after thinking the whole day about this theory. Does that mean 9 is really 9? According to this he has been 9 for several reruns, does it mean he is already, say, 365? And is 10 really 10 then? Or is he 9? *brain explodes*
I need a drink now.

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[info]mell_o_drama
2005-05-31 11:34 pm UTC (link)
They printed this in the Daily Star today, rather appropriately titled 'Kecks-Terminate', giving a little bit of info about the reality TV shows coming up. I'm not really sure what I think about it, though. It could be really funny if they do it right -- but it seems like it's going to be a bit of a weak ending for Eccleston. He's been such a fantastic Doctor, he needs to go out with a bang!

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[info]tulzdavampslaya
2005-06-01 10:51 am UTC (link)
I'm with you there, but as long as he gets a chance to say his goodbyes, then I'm happy. (as long as those goodbyes involve kisses)

hmm, I think I'm gonna have to live in AU's where the doctor doesn't die after this season... I'll join the rest of you in denial.

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[info]nostalgia_lj
2005-06-06 11:12 pm UTC (link)
I feel weirdly hyped at the idea that we'll get denial on that for, like, the first time ever. w00t! Fandom's either been running with the regeneration concept already (back in the original run) or not had a chance to get attached to a Doctor without that acceptance (McGann). So while it's a bit of a mindf*ck to me personally that people would want to write fix-its and stuff where Nine never dies, I'm quite "w00t! fandom being all dynamic and weird different about this thing!" which is exciting, though possibly a bit morbid. So am a bit torn on the denial thing, but whatever floats your fannish boat, y'know?

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