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Bisexual fiction [May. 5th, 2009|12:46 pm]

logophilos
On the weekend, I read and reviewed that rare creature in original fic - the bisexual novel which isn't an excuse to write male-centric lesbian fantasies, and which treats both kinds of relationships (m/f and m/m) with respect. Review is here:
http://unique.logophilos.net/?p=1866

So I wondered if anyone had any recs for other bisexual stories which genuinely explore the bisexual mindset, and treats both het and homosexual relationships as valid and healthy.
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M/M and science fiction [Mar. 4th, 2009|11:32 am]

logophilos
Heather at the Galaxy Express blog, has put up two posts about LGBT science fiction romance, focusing on m/m:

Science Fiction Romace: Tapping the Hidden Potential

In the Beginning, There Was Kirk/Spock

I'm sure she'd like some discussion so pop on over and share your views, and share the links.

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Rainbow List Released [Feb. 11th, 2009|11:10 am]

logophilos
From imayb1:

The "Rainbow List" is a compilation of books written in the past 18 months which best reflect authentic GLBTQ experiences. Books are chosen by a committe of folks from the American Library Association's GLBT and Social Responsibilities Round Tables. They recommend books for (primarily) school-age readers and influence which books libraries choose.

This is only their second year, but I find their work very encouraging. It's a great resource for educators, too. In 2008, the group looked at books copyrighted from 2005-2007 and out of 200 books studied, they chose 45. They were appalled by the lack of good GLBT literature, citing the bad influence of titles like A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality. This year, there are 34 books on the list, including several multi-cultural choices. To read the 2009 list, go here. The 2008 list is here.
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To Be Gay In Gaza Right Now [Jan. 14th, 2009|07:03 pm]

logophilos
This is a world exclusive - an inside report from Gaza by a gay man, obtained by Tarra Thomas. Sad, but compelling reading about life under fire from all sides.

http://ttthomas.wordpress.com/2009/01/13/to-be-gay-in-gaza-right-now/

Please pass the link around. It deserves to be read
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Gay porn legitimate? [Dec. 27th, 2008|05:26 pm]

logophilos
I genuinely don't have an answer to this in my head.

Why do women feel it's okay to brag about how they love to watch gay porn because it's hot, but think it's skeevy when a man brags about how he likes to watch two 'lesbians' getting it on?

A lot of 'gay' porn is completely fake, using straight actors, and no more real than 'lesbian' porn, so it can't be the realism. And if there's one group you could argue has fewer rights and is more oppressed than women, in America, at least, it's gay people, so it's not the oppressee taking revenge on the oppressor.

I can understand a woman finding it hot. I can't understand why she thinks it's admirable not to care about the people invovled.

Or am I overthinking this?

Please don't wank - figuratively or literally - in the comments, or troll that post. I respect all view points but I am going to kick anyone stirring shit about me or anyone else right to the kerb on this.
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Special Lethe Press Deal [Dec. 17th, 2008|07:25 pm]

gwailowrite
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A quick post....

Steve Berman of Lethe Press has a special offer.  To help support gay booksellers and given the fact  that he has a lot of copies of Vintage, a Ghost Story [my review is here] that are slightly flawed (some faded text or some minor typos), he is offering that if you order any Lethe Press book from lambdarising.com or queerbooks.com from now until the end of December and forward the receipt to lethepress@aol.com, Steve Berman will send you or a friend or any institution of your choice a slightly flawed copy of Vintage, a Ghost Story. You should, of course, withhold your credit card information but include the address to which you want the book shipped. All shipments must be in the domestic USA.

There are some really nifty Lethe titles, so I'd check 'em out.  But remember, buy 'em at lambdarising or queerbooks.
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What's in a word? [Dec. 14th, 2008|06:41 pm]

gwailowrite
XPOSTED from my LJ because I think it's important.

What is in a word?

There are words that one can not understand the implications of unless one is a member of the group those words are used as weapons against.  No matter how much I believe I can understand the hatefulness of the word n*gger, I can not truly understand all that that word carries for someone who is black.  Same as I can never truly understand hateful and hurtful the word g**k is for Asian Americans, or sp*c is for Latino Americans. I understand from an intellectual level how hateful those words are, how degrading to those they are used against, but I can not feel it or truly know it because I am not a member of those groups.  Those words have never been directed at me or my people.

As a gay man, however, I can fully understand the damage and full scope of words like c*cksucker, and f*ggot, and f*g.  I can tell you first hand how fearful they make me when they are shouted at me on the street.  I can tell you directly how degraded I feel when these words are thrown at me. I can tell you directly that when I hear them I must always assume that I will be physically attacked, otherwise I could be putting my life in danger simply for walking down the street.  I can tell you directly that when those words are uttered, the adrenaline starts moving and fight-or-flight kicks in.

I have heard these words over and over in my life.  These words are horrible, horrible things.  I personally do not even like it when other gay men say them as a joke.  They are not words to me that can be reclaimed.  These are the words that were shouted at Matthew Sheppard as he was beaten to death while tied to a fence, just a g**k was shouted at Vincent Chinn when he was beaten to death with a baseball bat because a couple of white guys (a father and a son) thought he was Japanese and responsible for them losing their jobs at the auto plant due to imports., just as n*gger was shouted at countless black men when they were beaten to death.

Words have meaning, especially when there is a long history of hate behind those words.

So what prompts this?  An author has written a m/m erotica novel entitled "Beautiful C*cksucker." 

Now, I do understand that  the novel is one (I assume) that features a D/s relationship. I understand what the context is.  I don't care. 

If the author had written an historical book wherein a white man (or woman) falls in love with a black male slave in the south, would that author have used the title "Beautiful N*gger"?  Of course not.

I don't care that in the context of the story the characters call each other c*cksuckers.  In text, in context, I would still bristle at it, but I would understand.  But as the title of a book?  NOPE!  See, I realize that there are many, many non-pro gay people -- people who love to hunt gay folks -- who will simply see that title -- they will never read the book to understand the context, and if they did, they'd never want to understand the context -- and all they will do is see that title and feel justified for their usage of that word.  I don't care how romantic or loving the D/s relationship is depicted in that book.  C*cksucker is a horrible, dangerous word, one that should not be used lightly or thought of as a catchy little title for a book.  It is offensive.  And not until you have had it shouted at you by a group of rowdy, drunk teenagers in a passing car at night can you truly understand how damaging that word is.

This ties in with the concern I have voiced from time to time about m/m erotica and m/m fiction.  There are a lot of non-gay males who are writing in this genre.  I applaud that.  I am not amongst who who believe only gay men should write gay fiction.  Straight women, gay men and even straight men have proven to be equally adept at writing gay fiction.  However, as I have been reading more and more of this, I see many, many things in the genre which teeter on perpetuating stereotypes of gay men.  I've read countless novellas where the gay men are only interested in sticking it into the other guy's hole.  I've read 100 page novellas where 85 pages of the text are devoted to sex acts and depictions of gay men doing nothing but rutting like pigs.  15 pages are left for plot and character development.  And most times, plot gets the lion share of those extra pages, the gay men left to be nothing more than cardboard cut-outs, lacking any depth or any interest other than sex.  In short, a lot of gay men in the genre become nothing more that people who are only interested in one thing...sex.  That's is what has been said about us for decades.  There is a very fine line here between being pro-gay and writing wonderful fiction and being pro-gay and perpetuating stereotypes and as a writer (no matter what your orientation) it is your responsibility to make sure you don't cross that line.  I'm not saying you need to depict gay men as saints (that's just as bad in gay fiction), but you must present gay men realistically.  And I can tell you, not every gay man is only interested in getting off.

I applaud everyone who works in the genre, gay straight or some variation thereof.  But I implore you...if you are a straight man or woman writing in this genre (or even a gay man or woman doing the same)....PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE think about the implications of what you are writing, whether it be 100 pages of guys fucking or choosing a title.  It does make a difference! 

Because at the end of the day, if you use a hateful word as a title just to help you sell books, if you perpetuate stereotypes, then even if your intentions are good, you as a non-gay do not need to live with the consequences.  I do.  And so do hundreds of thousands of other gay men.

Beautiful C*cksucker is not appropriate for the title of a book.  I'm sorry, but it isn't.
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M/m reading habits [Dec. 11th, 2008|10:45 am]

logophilos
Please drop over here and complete my survey about m/m reading habits. Feel free to pass the link around - I’m trying to collect as many results as possible.
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Holiday/seasonal stories [Dec. 5th, 2008|05:20 pm]

logophilos
You've undoubtedly had your fiction lists overrun with John and Rodney standing under the mistletoe, Clark and Lex snuggling before the fire, and Fraser and Kowalski celebrating Thanksgiving and arguing about which date to do it on.

Most holiday fic sucks - it's sappy, inappropriate, out of character, and usually uninteresting.

And yet we authors keep writing it, and our readers keep reading it.

Why? And would you, if you had the power, expunge it from the face of earth? Or do you like your balls jingling? :)
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Violence in romance [Nov. 19th, 2008|05:36 pm]

logophilos
There's an excellent discussion post over at Romancing the Blog by Robin/Janet of Dear Author, about the hero being cruel to the heroine, and to what degree the readers react negatively to that.

I commented about the difference between het and m/m writing, in that the power imbalances aren't built in, and have to be added, if the author wants it. I also thought that violence and rape were much more likely in yaoi or yaoi influenced work (e.g. PL Nunn's writing.)

What's your experience in reading gay and m/m work? How do authors use violence between lovers/potential lovers? Is it common? is it acceptable to you, if the two people are physically matched?

Comment here or there. It's an interesting discussion, and Robin is dying to learn more about our genre.
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in the name of love [Nov. 12th, 2008|11:16 am]

logophilos
A lot of you will have seen this magnificent plea by Keith Olbermann, but I'm asking you to spread the link far and wide. Ask your friends to watch, and share.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnHyy8gkNEE

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Politics in your slash blog? It's more likely than you think [Oct. 4th, 2008|07:28 pm]

logophilos
I've discovered that Romancelandia has a distinctly conservative attitude to women authors opening their mouths about things. Not only are you not allowed to cuss, you're also not supposed to say anything remotely controversial.

Coming from LJ and fandom, I find this all very odd, and disturbing. Slash and m/m seems to lends itself to political thought, because you could argue that the very act of writing about gay characters is itself a political statement.

So how do you feel about m/m and slash authors - fandom and original - expressing controversial opinions, and being blunt when they do so? Please tell me I'm not the only politically minded loudmouth in town :)
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September 23 is Celebrate Bisexuality Day! [Sep. 23rd, 2008|10:10 am]

logophilos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrate_Bisexuality_Day

So, guys...let's do just that!

Tell me about your favourite bisexual characters, stories, anecdotes, people.

I'd like to send huge hugs to my bi friends (I will only name those I know are out) including [info]evildrem, [info]leebenoit and [info]valarltd. Love, not the wrapping paper, is all that matters in a relationship.
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YES. [Sep. 13th, 2008|09:01 pm]
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I am so glad to find this comm, even if it doesn't get a whole heckuvalotta posts. I'm full of slash theory. Pick a topic and let's discuss:

1) Is it a reaction to the "straight guys think two girls making it is hot" thing?
2) Why do female slash writers sometimes hide it from their partner? Is it the same reason our guys hide their porn from us, their wives/girlfriends?
3) What is it about m/m that attracts lesbians? (Can't speak to this because I'm not one, but I've always wondered.)
4) Why is it easier to write RPS/FPS than original m/m erotica? Is it a shortcut to avoid having to do character development? Or does it make the writing more accessible to a wider online audience because the characters are already known? If so, does that indicate a lack of trust in the compelling-ness (?) of one's writing without pre-created characters?
5) Why the aversion to writing bisexual scenes in slash? I like to write about m1/m2/m2's wife or partner together, or sometimes m1/m2's wife. These stories actually seem to SQUICK some readers out. Why is that?

OK, I'll stop now. I'm ecstatic to find this place and the name of the community is perfect, too. I'll introduce myself a bit later and what kind of stuff I write but for now I just wanted to get this started.
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My kink is okay, your kink is bloody stupid [Aug. 2nd, 2008|07:06 pm]

logophilos
My rule of thumb when writing kink is - if I don't understand it at some level, I shouldn't write it. I don't have to be into the kink, or have tried it (my god, my sex life is so vanilla they could use it to flavour icecream), but if I can't put myself into the head of the character who does like it, then I can't get it right. That's also true for non-kinky sex. I can't write rimming scenes for instance, because I just can't feel the appeal, and can't get past the 'euwww' factor, even by convincing myself it's something a lot of gay men (and straights) do. I couldn't make it realistic. I understand why it appeals, but I can't connect the intellectual with the emotional.

I don't think this makes me much different from most writers who have sex scenes in their books. Most of us are fairly ordinary, and very few have had swing from the chandeliers sex. Even those who are in a kinky scene of some kind, are often otherwise quite average and unassuming, and being into kink doesn't mean you're into every kink. What I hope authors - and our readers - bring to bear is tolerance of anything that's safe, sane and consensual, and involving adults.

So I was a little sad to read someone who's far from vanilla, answering a question about pony play, and saying "If you need that much shit on to get off sexually you are doing something wrong." The commenter isn't an author, but he is a reviewer, and interacts with the writing community fairly frequently. Some other comments on that thread from readers and authors alike seemed to be of the 'I don't like it, so it's either risible or wrong' kind.

The point is, that kind of response is chucked at m/m writers, or erotica writers, or anything just a little way out of mainstream all the time. Some of those people like to read and write stuff that's pushing the edge a little, so why can't they accept that tastes and needs and wiring differ, and not mock what they don't understand? People change. Ten years ago, if you'd told me I'd be reading and writing stories about gay men, including gay sex, I'd have laughed in your face. I knew zero about BDSM. Didn't know what felching was (I wish I still didn't because, you know, hygiene!) And now....

My response to the pony play thing is - don't understand it, but I'd like to have someone into it explain the appeal. Not, god, you are so silly/depraved for being into it. Does that make me a weirdo?
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Emotional guys in slash and m/m? [Jul. 13th, 2008|11:15 am]

logophilos
I was talking to someone yesterday about the frequency of emotionally drippy weepy men in slash etc, and she said she thought a lot of slash readers were coming from the yaoi market where the uke is always awash with tears.

Well, I know that I didn't, and a lot of Western readers will have little or no experience of yaoi or things like Korean dramas and so on. I did wonder whether male emotionality was most attractive in societies where emotional stoicism, particularly in men, was the norm, and enforced ( the 'boys don't cry' thing.)

Any thoughts on that? And do we use gay men as the protagonists because society gives them permission to be emotionally labile, even when it scorns them for it?

And is that really a nasty and exploitative thing to do if we're not generally accepting of GLBT people as a society?
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Helping or Hurting [Jul. 2nd, 2008|11:09 am]

gwailowrite
OK...this started as a discussion on someone else's LJ and  [info]logophilos thought I might like to share my thoughts on erotica and gay stereotypes here.  Just remember, I'm putting this out here just to see what others may feel on this topic.

I've been reading a lot of gay erotica lately and there has been something niggling at my mind.  Now, like any genre, you're going to find excellent erotica, average erotica and downright awful erotica.  Unfortunately, a lot of what I have been coming across has been god awful punctuated by moments of brilliance and moments of mediocrity.  Alot of the really bad erotica has no depth to any of the characters, interchangeable characters, non-stop sex, no plot, etc.  We won't even get into prose ability.

Now I know that many (most likely all) people who write gay erotica are extremely pro-gay (whether they be gay or straight, male or female or any variation in between the labels). However, as a gay man I'm getting very concerned about how much of the gay erotica out there is meaningless, characterless and sex simply for sex' sake. The characters have no depth -- oft times you really can't tell one from another except that one is describe as blonde and the other as brunette -- are only interested in banging. The entire plot is about sticking it in and getting it off. There's really nothing more to it. 

Now...doesn't that sound a little bit like the old stereotypes of gay men?  Characterless and interested only in sex. It seems a bit of a slippery slope to me. Gay-positive people writing erotica that ends up perpetuating a stereotype? Albeit unintentionally, but still perpetuating? I think there's a very interesting line here.

Now this is not to imply any type of homophobia at work here.  In fact, I believe homophobia is *not* involved here and that's what interests me about this topic:  good people writing bad erotica that ends up perpetuating a stereotype that they themselves hate.  I think this really has to do with either (a) a writer's ability (or lack thereof) to write full-bodied, dynamic characters or (b)  a writer's desire to write the steamy bits, because that is what they like to read and what they believe their readership wants.  

But I do have to wonder when I read a piece that is 7 pages long with characters who have no interest in anything other than banging over and over again for 6 out of the 7 pages, where characters in committed relationships seem only attached by their sexual behavior, where we know nothing about the characters other than their top or bottom position...is this good for the gay image?

Just some random thoughts for myself --and anyone else who would like-- to chew on.
 
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Straight women and gay porn [Jun. 27th, 2008|09:53 am]

logophilos
A serious discussion, but the accompanying photos are NOT SAFE FOR WORK (though they're not bad.)

Click at your own discretion, and discuss?
http://www.nightcharm.com/2008/06/09/aphrodite-speaks-straight-women-and-gay-porn
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Virgins and menages à trois [May. 31st, 2008|12:47 pm]

logophilos
Totally unrelated topics.

1. When does a guy lose his 'virginity'? Penetration, being penetrated, or simply when he comes in company? Opinions, please.

2. Is a m/m/f or f/f/m menage à trois story a proper subject for review at a GLBT romance site? (Or any gay-oriented site?) My gut says no, my reviewers say maybe. What do you all think?
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I vant to...well, read anything but another bloody vampire story [May. 22nd, 2008|08:42 pm]

logophilos
One of my review team just asked me, regarding a new release, why there are so many bloody gay vampire stories.

And I don't know, because vampires don't mean sexy at all to me, but even if they did, it seems to me that the imagery of blood and violation of purity and so on has a particular resonance for women. Are we just transferring what women find erotic over to men, or is there something more?

And on a slightly related note - why are publishers and authors so content to produce the kind of insipid 'romances' that, if the couples were het, you'd know the story was weak as piss and only an excuse for sex, but we're somehow supposed to find acceptable because the couple are same sex? Where's the tension in boy meets boy, boy goes to dinner with boy, boy goes home and is screwed senseless? Fiction should be about making a point, changing a view, presenting something new, an experience. I don't want to read page after page of a couple choosing their dinner menu just because they're gay!

Thoughts?
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