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30 June 2008 @ 10:39 am
Woman's Hour  


Well, someone is wrong on the radio, anyway.

Today, I have a migraine. I have been lying in bed with the pillow over my eyes and going owwwwwwwwwww. Radio Four has been playing softly in the background, and yes, you guessed it, someone said something on Woman's Hour that made me have to switch on the laptop and fire off an email...
Your recent item on teenage boys was the latest in a long line of pieces which promote the counter-productive trope that women should ONLY have female role models and men should only have male ones. What is wrong with me, as a woman, admiring and wishing to emulate somebody male, or with a man admiring and wishing to emulate a woman? Sexism will never be eradicated until little boys can say they want to grow up to be just like Ellen MacArthur and little girls can say they want to grow up to be Valentino Rossi without anyone tutting and saying it's inappropriate.
When I was a little girl, I wanted to grow up to be Horace Rumpole. I don't think that there's anything wrong with that. I don't know who my little girl's heroes are going to be (although, given her penchant for astronomy, I suspect Patrick Moore might be on the list, which I have no doubt will please him no end) but I find the idea that she should have the list of permissible heroes artificially restricted by gender extremely offensive and enraging.
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Mat Bowles: Change[info]matgb on June 30th, 2008 10:03 am (UTC)
Bbbuuttt...

If boys want to be like women then they might grow up to be queer. That Would Be Wrong, we can't be having That Sort Of Thing.

Oh, wait, we grew out of that sort of attitude, right? Please tell me we've grown out of it. Oh, wait, mostly we have, but the Beeb's producers are from an earlier generation and haven't caught up yet.
SB[info]miss_s_b on June 30th, 2008 10:05 am (UTC)
I refer my honourable fiancé to the furore over an ADVERT that has been going on this week...
Mat Bowles[info]matgb on June 30th, 2008 10:11 am (UTC)
Oh I know, but prompted by a company overreacting to a very small number of complaints, probably mostly made by people to old to worry about what they say to their children.

Hopefully, anyway. I know there are a bunch of bigots about, still, but it should be getting better. BBC producers shouldn't be like that, but sometimes...
The Evil Atheist Your Mother Warned You About: Cthulhu![info]davegodfrey on June 30th, 2008 12:25 pm (UTC)
I did get the feeling that in many cases "How will I explain it to my kids" could probably be countered by "They're forty, I think they know by now..."
Ankh-Morpork's Better Class of Criminal: TV | DW - The Daleks Have the TARDIS[info]sovietkiki on June 30th, 2008 10:09 am (UTC)
When I was a real youngun, I wanted to be the Blue Ranger because he was cool and geeky and had a triceratops. The fact that he was a boy didn't deter me in the slightest, because I liked his character traits (and his cool ride) not the fact that he had a willy.

In fact, I was pretty sure the only character who did have a penis was the guy who was a wolf in armour, because he had that stupidly big codpiece.

ETA - This post so reminded me of this. >.>;

Edited at 2008-06-30 10:10 am (UTC)
Debi Linton: cera[info]innerbrat on June 30th, 2008 10:13 am (UTC)
When I was a little girl I wanted to grow up to be Lord John Roxton.

So what, exactly, did they say?
SB[info]miss_s_b on June 30th, 2008 10:30 am (UTC)
It was a continuation of the piece on Friday in which some woman was arguing that women CANNOT teach teenage boys because teenage boys won't respect them.

Somebody today made the excellent point that teenage boys try to vie with male teachers in a way that they don't with female ones, but it was the unquestioning acceptance of the idea that males need their teachers to be male and females need their teachers to be female for role model purposes that really wound me up.
Debi Linton: wtf[info]innerbrat on June 30th, 2008 10:33 am (UTC)
Bollocks. I need my teachers to understand how my brain works and what interests me.

Which, uh - always male. Stupid rare-in-females leanring patterns.
SB: Addams - true love[info]miss_s_b on June 30th, 2008 10:38 am (UTC)
Indeed.
Paul Alexander Mudie[info]pmoodie on June 30th, 2008 10:14 am (UTC)
You're absolutely right of course, and it's not something I've ever really thought about before.

I suppose the question is - what exactly is a role model? Like you say in your email, if it's a person you admire and want to emulate, then their gender has nothing to do with it unless whatever they're doing that you want to emulate is somehow specific to their gender.

Generally though, I think role models are kind of silly. It's good to be inspired by someone to go along a certain path, but to want to be just like someone else seems a bit unhealthy to me. I think people should concentrate on being themselves.

*sends soothing vibes to ease your migraine*
gina allnatt: innocent[info]ginasketch on June 30th, 2008 10:25 am (UTC)
I wanted to be David Attenborough.

I still do. I'm not going to stop just because he doesn't have a vagina.
SB: Innocent[info]miss_s_b on June 30th, 2008 10:31 am (UTC)
I bet he's got lots of female reproductive tracts in jars, from lots of species.
Paul Alexander Mudie[info]pmoodie on June 30th, 2008 10:50 am (UTC)
I don't remember ever having a role model. There were plenty of people I liked, but I can't remember ever thinking "I want to be that person."
uglybuffy[info]uglybuffy on June 30th, 2008 11:53 am (UTC)
I always like to see a woman playing bass and Kim Deal is one of my favourites, but I've always felt slightly guilty that my unquestioned bass god is Joe Preston. Seeing him in a few weeks! Squeal!
SB[info]miss_s_b on June 30th, 2008 11:57 am (UTC)
But you shouldn't feel guilty about that at all! One day maybe some little boy will see YOU as his bass God...
too short to be haughty, too nutty to be naughty: sir[info]minnesattva on June 30th, 2008 03:10 pm (UTC)
When I was about ten we had to research and then pretend to be on a TV chat show as some historical figure we admired - we performed in front of the rest of our class and it was videoed and everything.

And I was the only kid in the class to choose someone of the opposite gender (Louis Braille). I realize some of this may have had to do with the logistics of wanting to look like the person, but still!
El Staplador[info]el_staplador on June 30th, 2008 03:23 pm (UTC)
When I was a young'un (just typed 'we' there; obviously the men in white coats will be along for me soon) I wanted to be Greenmantle. Then I did Post-Colonial theory and reconsidered slightly. However, I still wanted to beat the essentialist feminists to death with their own textbooks.