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07 June 2008 @ 02:05 pm
Detention Without Charge - a Reminder  
In the light of John Major's comments re: the 42 days issue, I'd like to remind everyone of one thing.

The debate before the house is not referring to the total period a person can be kept inside before they have to be released. This is, in fact, about whether or not we should have 42 days of imprisonment for people before they are even told what they are supposed to have done wrong. Once you have been charged, once the rozzers have deigned to tell you what they think you've done, you can still be kept locked up for an almost indefinite period, up to and including your trial, given the consent of the judiciary.

The sole reason that this measure has been introduced is that when the police bring charged suspects before the courts, a lot of the time the courts say this man is clearly innocent, let him go, and the government wants to stop innocent people being released because they think it makes them look soft. Does anyone have any doubt at all that the three (yes, THREE, such a huge proportion of our 60,000,000+ population!) people who have so far been kept to 28 days under the current legislation before being charged would have been allowed to be detained post-charge by a court? FFS... What sort of country are we living in when someone can be locked up for any significant length of time without even being told what they are suspected of doing? How the hell have we come to having our government piss wantonly and indiscriminately all over habeas corpus without a peep from most of us about it? I'm sorry, I'm becoming incoherent. This just makes me SO ANGRY.

Given that you can be detained almost indefinitely post-charge, do we really need to have a limit of more than a week? Or even a couple of days? America manages with a two day limit...
 
 
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meegat: Ben finale hero[info]meegat on June 7th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
That's because Brown and his cronies are a bunch of tossers.

I mean...how the hell did we manage to even WALK on a pavement before they told us how to do it properly.

They're not happy unless they're interfering where they're not wanted and telling us what to do.
XIV_Gemina[info]xiv_gemina on June 7th, 2008 08:24 pm (UTC)
You are trying to blame the wrong scapegoat.

The attacks on the Civil Liberties ‘allowed’ to subjects of this nation have been underway since at least 1991.
When Tory Michael Howard first proposed a National Identity Database scheme.

You know, the very thing that (along with Internment) was REJECTED as not only useless, but actually COUNTER-productive, by both Tory & Labour Governments in the fight against actual, ongoing Irish terrorism.

But which the Charmed Circle of Talentless Parasitic Drones now insist is ‘necessary’ and ‘the only way’ to combat the nebulous, undefined threat posed by our Masters in Washington's Perpetual War ‘on Terror’.

Remember to ask Dick Cheney whether we have always been at War with East Asia or with Eurasia.
meegat: Ben f u jacob[info]meegat on June 7th, 2008 08:27 pm (UTC)
*shrugs*

I'm actually fed up to the back teeth with the whole lot of them. Can't tell the difference between any of them anymore.

They can sit up there and tear chunks out of each other - because it won't have a blind bit of difference. The English taxpayer will always get shafted.
XIV_Gemina[info]xiv_gemina on June 7th, 2008 09:21 pm (UTC)
You have to look at who actually pays taxes.

Does the ‘ordinary punter’ pay tax in the UK?
Hell yes!
Income Taxes that are impossible to avoid and, more importantly, Purchase Taxes up the arse, soon to be followed by lots of lovely new ‘Green’ purchase taxes ‘to protect the Environment’ - yay!

Do the very wealthy pay tax in the UK?
Hell no!
If you can afford a decent accountant, you hardly have to pay any Income Tax in this country. And you certainly don't have to pay it at anything like the same rate as those minimum-wage serfs that you deign to employ on casual-contracts.
Purchase Taxes? A tiny, piffling inconvenience. Who cares? I don't spend most of my money in the UK anyway!

Do Companies pay tax in the UK?
At the moment, yes, they do - but the Charmed Circle of Talentless Parasitic Drones who have infested Government in these islands over the last twenty years will be sure to bring down the rates of Corporation Tax soon. They're all talking about it - even the bloody ScotNats.
And it's only the little firms that pay it anyway. Just ask News International.
It was The Daily bloody Telegraph that revealed to me that over a ten year period spanning the 1980's & 1990's Darth Rupert's outfit had declared UK profits of £1 billion, but paid only £1 Million in CT. That's a ‘whopping’ 0.1%, when the official rate was 33%.
All perfectly legally, mind you, via a network of inter-company Loans, shell companies & Offshore Tax Havens. Yay!

Or how about this litany of Corporate Welfare Parasites? (Though you'll notice that The Times doesn't mention News International's own Tax Avoidance.)

Destroyed the Bank/Company you run?
Here's a massive pay-off for you!
Wait a few months & you get to run another company!

Your boss destroyed the company you work for?
Screw you, you parasite!
You're out on your arse and the Pension Fund into which you've been paying responsibly all your working Life® - in order not to be a drag on society/because you knew you needed to put something by for the future - now belongs to the Creditors & Shareholders, in that order (thank you, House of Lords).
And, if there's any company left after the Administrators are done, all the jobs will be moved to India/China/Vietnam/North Korea (depending on the Industrial sector).

The group of people who get perpetually fucked-over in this country is not ‘the English’ - it is the non-Wealthy.


Hmm - reckon I ought to go to bed - I appear to have fallen out of the Ranty Tree tonight.
Apologies to all, and good night.
SB: Snog: rimsy and listy[info]miss_s_b on June 8th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
* luffs you when you're ranty *
XIV_Gemina[info]xiv_gemina on June 7th, 2008 08:15 pm (UTC)
Habeas Corpus
What are you talking about?
Habeas Corpus was removed from UK Law by the last Terrorism Act.

NONE of the provisions of Magna Carta still apply. Except, apparently for senior Churchmen - I read somewhere that they do still enjoy some of its protections.