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30 November 2008 @ 12:16 pm
Re: Nick Clegg in the Mirror: In Which I Press the Self-Destruct Button  
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I see there is a new spirit of openness and honesty abroad in politics, and Our Glorious Leader has chosen to publicly state what he thinks of various members of the party - either that or he's too stupid to realise that a commuter flight is a public place, and I don't think we want to countenance that, do we? And I'm not even going to TALK about the big hole in his green credentials from taking an inland flight... - so in the spirit of that frank discussion, I'd like to share with you all what I think of Our Glorious Leader.
  • I think he hasn't established himself as a credible force in politics, and no amount of slagging other people off is going to disguise that.
  • I think he should be doing more to make our message sellable, and understandable to those who are perhaps not as high-IQed as the average Lib Dem, and he ought to have done more to sell it.
  • I think he ought to be actively doing something about the effective media blackout that exists on Lib-Dem-stories-which-aren't-Vince's-punditry, and making it clear to the public that we do actually exist. The fact that there are politically clued-up people on my f-list who don't know the first thing about our policies speaks volumes about the fact that we simply are not communicating with people.
  • But worst of all, I think he fully deserves the Cameron-lite label he hates - not because of his politics, which I mostly share, but because of the off-handed and arrogant way he behaves towards people he perceives as less important than him, which I have witnessed first hand. Let me make clear that he is the ONLY example of such behaviour towards the "lower orders" that I have seen at any level of the party. EVERYBODY else seems capable of treating people from the hotel cleaner to the Queen as equally human, but Our Glorious Leader is just Too Important to acknowledge some people, and that just sticks in my craw.
I think the thing that pissed me off the most about that article were his comments about Julia Goldsworthy. I met her at conference, and she makes me feel like I have an IQ of about 3.5. She is a bloody smart cookie. If people are patronising Julia and underestimating her, Nick (presumably because she is young and pretty and female) you can USE that. To see you sidelining her because other people do? That speaks VOLUMES about how little you understand white male privilege and how it works, and it also speaks volumes about how paper-thin your commitment to gender issues is.

Fail, Glorious Leader. Epic fail.

Of course, all this makes the assumption that what is printed in the Mirror is true, which, as we all know, isn't necessarily the case. If it isn't true, or is only partially true, then I will, of course, retract the parts of it that don't apply. Shall we be seeing legal action against the Mirror, Leader?



With regard to the tax credits thing? I'm going to put it on the Visa. I'm not physically capable of going through all that anguish again, and what's another £200 on the mountain of debt I already owe? Thanks for all your comments, though. You guys rock.
 
 
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Tonius[info]gillyg on November 30th, 2008 01:15 pm (UTC)
I really can't abide people who treat those who they consider beneath them like dirt. My ex boss was like this, as well as being a racist homophobic horror (she was a principal equal opps officer, got sacked, and now works as equality officer for a Yorkshire university.). I once asked her what she thought of an Asian ex boyfriend of mine, and she said "Oh he's different, he's a surgeon!" I walked out of this job not long after...
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 01:22 pm (UTC)
This might be a silly question, but how does a racist homophobe get a job as an equalities officer?
David Matthewman[info]djm4 on November 30th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
but how does a racist homophobe get a job as an equalities officer?

Simple, but depressing answer: they apply for the job.
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 01:37 pm (UTC)
:(

I applied for lots of jobs like that, and didn't get a sniff.
Tonius[info]gillyg on November 30th, 2008 01:37 pm (UTC)
By being very good at talking the talk and playing the race and disability card herself at every opportunity (she's black african and disabled)
Maureen Kincaid Speller[info]brisingamen on November 30th, 2008 01:21 pm (UTC)
Assuming the report has some substance, I can't find a thing in your post I'd disagree with (except, perhaps, I'm more left leaning than Clegg to start with). I find it interesting in particular that the list of people he seems not to like/not to regard as competent is a list of people I personally consider to be extremely competent and to know what they're doing. Chris Huhne was excellent in Environment; he was never off the news, and was the opposition person the Radio 4 news people turned to every time. Julia Goldsworthy is an inspiration to many of us.

Edited at 2008-11-30 01:22 pm (UTC)
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 01:23 pm (UTC)
Yes, this. I recall a time when Chris Huhne was barely OOF radio four...
David Matthewman[info]djm4 on November 30th, 2008 01:34 pm (UTC)
Yes. That. Especially about Julia Goldsworthy, who impressed the hell out of me at conference.

If this is true, I don't like Nick Clegg any more. Which is a pity, because so far I thought he's been doing pretty well with what he had, and I was very impressed with both his conference speeches. I really hope this turns out to have been (thinks desperately) Rory Bremner rehearsing a routine?
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 01:37 pm (UTC)
An elaborate wind-up because they knew it was the guy from the Mirror in the seat in front?
(Anonymous) on November 30th, 2008 01:47 pm (UTC)
It would have been great to have a leader with a Clinton type ability to get in there and talk to anyone - but there was no such candidate in the field this time.

Sounds to me like Clegg was focusing, correctly, on building our environmental credentials. Probably the conversation has been exaggerated - but who knows. Some of what's reported is right IMHO. If she's as good as people say, Julia's in the wrong job at local government when there's there so much experience of this area in the party. Steve Webb is underperforming and is probably in the wrong job. Laws is lost in education. Huhne is doing fine at the home office although Simon Hughes did it better.
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 01:50 pm (UTC)
"Sounds to me like Clegg was focusing, correctly, on building our environmental credentials"

... on an inland flight. How ironic.
The Bank of the Black Monks of St Herod: phil[info]burkesworks on November 30th, 2008 02:52 pm (UTC)
Someone ought to drum into Clegg's supposedly Westminster-and-Cambridge-educated head that "green" credentials count for somewhere between nowt and doodleysquat at the polls; remember how the mooted "green tax" went down like a cup of cold sick with quite a few of us in the party?

I get the feeling that the Gerald Ratner approach to politics may have the same effect also. Worrying to see in this article - if it be true, that is, for if it isn't I hope that Clegg will be suing both Adam "spawn of Glenda Slagg" Lee-Potter and the Mirror's collective arses to Mars and back - that he prefers David Laws to Goldsworthy, Huhne and (the excellent) Steve Webb. If the Americans have RINOs and DINOs, Laws is a LINO, just like Oaten was.
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 02:56 pm (UTC)
I think you're partially right: people for whom green stuff is THE most important thing will obviously vote green. But the green stuff does play well to our established members; what worries me is that if he IS cosying up to established members by bigging up the green, what is that compensation for?
(Anonymous) on December 9th, 2008 09:52 pm (UTC)
On all this stuff about 'inland flights', do you know how long it takes to get to Inverness by other means from London?

More than 8 hours I think on the single daily through train, longer on any other connecting train. It takes a day to travel each way, to all intents and purposes.

Unless you propose Clegg should never visit the North of Scotland (and this is the only occasion he has that I know of) this is nonsense. Do you object to people flying 'inland' within the landmass that is Europe, Asia and Africa? What's your cut-off for the point it becomes okay?
SB[info]miss_s_b on December 9th, 2008 10:27 pm (UTC)
Well, he COULD schedule it so that he is travelling from Sheffield, which is his constituency, and much closer.

I don't fly at all, so you're not going to nail me on any hypocrisy, sorry.
Padawanpooh: PS Bah[info]padawanpooh on November 30th, 2008 03:39 pm (UTC)
Ever since Charles Kennedy got the knives in his back hubby & I have voted Green. Nick Clegg doesn't give me any reason to change back at the moment :-(

Good things about the Lib Dems at the moment:

#1 - Vince Cable

Erm, that's it. I'm happy if you can offer any suggestions to extend the list....
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 06:02 pm (UTC)
In terms of policy, we have a lot of good things. But perhaps the fact that policy is set by the members rather than the leader is not a good thing when it comes to the leader developing a leadership narrative. People don't vote for a party any more, do they, they vote for a person...

In terms of good people, well... Obviously I don't count, being utterly evil, but I am a big fan of our new president. And, well, *points below* Peter is a good example of the general standard of lovely.
Padawanpooh: DW9 Hug[info]padawanpooh on December 1st, 2008 07:27 pm (UTC)
People don't vote for a party any more, do they, they vote for a person... too true, but I'm not too clear on the policies either at the moment *is perplexed*

And you ain't evil, you're just misunderstood :-P
[info]peterblack.blogspot.com on November 30th, 2008 04:57 pm (UTC)
Seriously, you should not give the taxman a penny more than he deserves. There are many examples of these demands being wrong or based on bad processes and thus challengeable.
(Anonymous) on November 30th, 2008 05:33 pm (UTC)
The point about the green agenda is that it is totally linked to the current crisis. The rise in fuel prices was one of the triggers, just as they were in the 1970s. An effective green policy would promise cheaper energy - not more expensive - based on alternative energy and coordination of resources and investment across Europe.
[info]http://technorati.com/people/technorati/Griffindor on November 30th, 2008 11:16 pm (UTC)
Um, that sort of assumes that alternative energy is cheaper to produce than environmentally unfriendly energy sources which, by and large, it is not. An effective green policy will make energy more expensive, though a better ENERGY policy could make energy costs more equitable across the board regardless of green credentials and therefore make a green policy sustainable economically. But let's not pretend that, at least in the short to mid term, energy prices can decrease through green policies...that's a fallacy.
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I know.

* hug *

Thank you or being all calm and level-headed.
(Anonymous) on November 30th, 2008 05:35 pm (UTC)
Proving that Clegg is a normal human being who says stupid things.
Just your atypical boy-girl girl-boy[info]publicansdecoy on November 30th, 2008 05:52 pm (UTC)
What is it with the Lib Dems? There just seems to be so much internal rancour.

Would you advocate changing the leader again in the middle of this Parliament?

-x-
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 06:06 pm (UTC)
Ah, there's no more internal rancour than there is in other parties. It's just that you hear about Labour and the Tories when they do other stuff as well. Also, our culture of freedom, openness and honesty means that everybody gets to hear about it when we have a row. It's not hushed up. If someone has a dissenting voice in the LDs we don't shut them up, we debate them.

I wouldn't advocate changing the leader again, but I hope El Presidente gives him a good slap upside the head and calls him a stupid boy.
rhythmaning[info]rhythmaning on November 30th, 2008 06:22 pm (UTC)
I know you are addicted to Radio 4, but did you catch this? I just heard a bit on POTW. Very on-topic!
SB[info]miss_s_b on November 30th, 2008 06:25 pm (UTC)
The thing on Pick of the Week reminded me about it LOL.
mindrobber.blogspot.com[info]mindrobber.blogspot.com on December 1st, 2008 12:06 am (UTC)
Clearly you aren't fond of Nick Clegg, which is your prerogative. If the report in the Mirror is true, then he certainly lacks judgment. And who could dislike Steve Webb? But I digress..

When you slag Nick off for "not communicating" etc, and generally just not getting us to 51% in the polls, do please just pause and put yourself in his place, and ask yourself if you could do much better. To be honest, I doubt many of us could. We face a hostile media and a massively cynical public, and often I think a lot of us allow our frustrations with this situation to be vented in the direction of the party leadership.

Still, what you've said above is mostly right. 9/10 :p
SB[info]miss_s_b on December 1st, 2008 12:11 am (UTC)
Yeah, you're right about the media and such. It's just very annoying that huge swathes of people would agree with us if they knew we existed, or thought we were worth looking at.

Hey ho.
(Anonymous) on March 4th, 2009 03:29 am (UTC)
Well Vince has managed it.

Makes you think...
Olsen Bloom[info]andrewhickey on December 1st, 2008 12:22 am (UTC)
The article didn't exactly shock me, either... I tend to think the leadership is far less on the ball than the grassroots of the party anyway (although both are better than the astroturfing Libertarians...), and I didn't vote for Clegg myself. Still, he's who we've got, and we need to make the best of it...
(Anonymous) on December 1st, 2008 11:34 am (UTC)
rubbish
I have to say, having worked with the parliamentary party for three years (but no longer), i completely disagree with your statement that "EVERYBODY else seems capable of treating people from the hotel cleaner to the Queen as equally human", have you never been to a by-election?! Anyone who works in the by-election HQ is CONSTANTLY talking down to the people who've given up their time to come and deliver, or whatever, with certain campaigns staff being particularly culpable. Clegg isn't the problem with this joke of a party, its the self-satisfied activists who are completely unaware of the real world. Clegg is the best thing to happen to the Lib Dems in a long time and you seem singularly unaware of that. Webb IS useless, Goldsworthy IS out of her depth, Huhne IS emotionally unintelligent and Laws IS the best brain in the party. I don't see a problem with his comments.
SB[info]miss_s_b on December 1st, 2008 11:43 am (UTC)
Re: rubbish
I'd have a bit more time for your unfounded assertions if you were to back them up with some evidence, little Nonny Mouse.
(Anonymous) on December 1st, 2008 11:54 am (UTC)
Re: rubbish
If you've never had the misfortune to experience the idiots at a by-election HQ then you're extremely lucky, i have, but i'm not sure what 'evidence' you're looking for?
SB[info]miss_s_b on December 1st, 2008 12:45 pm (UTC)
Re: rubbish
Well, you make a lot of bald assertions, but don't back them up with anything. Starting with "I have worked at party HQ for three years..." ORLY?

This is the joy of commenting anonymously, you see. Nobody believes you. Sure, you MIGHT be telling the truth. Or you might be Melanie Philips. How are we to know?

I quite like your assertion that activists don't live in the real world, but Mr Ocado does, though. That brought a smile to my face.
(Anonymous) on December 1st, 2008 01:00 pm (UTC)
Re: rubbish
you ought to try reading a bit closer. i have never worked at party HQ, neither did i say i had. i worked in parliament for three years. i honestly couldnt care less whether you believe me or not, i'm not about to post a PDF of my contract of employment on here.
SB[info]miss_s_b on December 1st, 2008 01:07 pm (UTC)
Re: rubbish
I don't expect you to, but the fact that you don't even attach a name to yourself doesn't inspire confidence.

And if you don't care whether or not you're believed, why bother posting at all?
(Anonymous) on December 1st, 2008 01:12 pm (UTC)
Re: rubbish
I like Nick Clegg, on a personal level.
David Matthewman: Liberal[info]djm4 on March 3rd, 2009 08:37 am (UTC)
I found it interesting that Nick singled Chris Huhne, Steve Webb and Julia Goldsworthy specifically in his speech at the 'Creating a Progressive Society' one-day conference back in January. I can't find a transcript of the speech anywhere, but I noted at the time that he picked them out as particularly strong members of his front bench team - there may have been one other name on the list, and he mentioned Vince separately, but he clearly separated them out.

I'm not sure whether it was damage limitation or setting the record straight, but I was pleased to hear it either way.
SB: Political - Liberal[info]miss_s_b on March 3rd, 2009 12:46 pm (UTC)
Yes, that does sound like it would be pleasing.

You always have the most interesting dressing-up icons! LOL