Wouldn't surprise me if that was a genuine advert. I don't really watch television any more because the sexism in the advertisements just get me so riled up and angry that I then don't have the energy to watch whatever it is I tuned in for.

(I especially hate the MEN VS. WOMEN advert for that newspaper. Where they're on a battlefield and the men are throwing highly advanced technological things at the women, and the women respond with...high heels and little yappy dogs.)

See edit.

And yeah, the advert you refer to WAS for the Daily Fail. I hated it too. I get around this problem by watching channels with no advertising. YAY for auntie Beeb!

Oh thank god. (Although it wouldn't surprise me if it had been a genuine advert and they are now back-peddling as fast as possible).

They showed it at the cinema. THERE WAS NOWHERE FOR ME TO LOOK and when it was over I spent a fierce five minutes whispering to my mum about blatant sexism in the media. xD

Oh i remember that ad. It gave me the red mists as well.

It irritated me well into the first five minutes of the movie. GRRRR.

ICON WIN!

..Dammit, you keep making me think about things and disagree with myself :S It made me laugh...but you have a point. And if it had been an "advert" for Nuts instead of Guinness, I probably would have hated it on first sight, which is also interesting.

* nodnod *

Like I say in the post, if I hadn't have been in angry feminist mode already, I probably would have just laughed too.

As for the article, he lost me early on when he attributed Austen's most famous quote to Bronte - an unspecified Bronte, at that - and tried to use it to prove a point when it's Mrs Bennet's point of view and, er, unreliable to say the least :D

And then it just got worse. Gah. WANKER.

Edited at 2008-07-27 11:56 am (UTC)

I really hope it's not a real advert.

WTF? COMPARING VIBRATORS TO LAP-DANCING???


*STABS PEOPLE*

Indeed. Because there's NO DIFFERENCE, you know! It's all about liberalisation! I tried to be unaggressive in my reply, but I don't think I managed it.

Righteous anger there, honey. Your comment said pretty much what mine would have. It's hard to draw a realistic comparison, isn't it? I mean, there's the Chippendales and similar, and even that stuff makes my toes curl, as tame as it is. I cannot imagine how sickened I would feel if hen parties went off to Amsterdam as a matter of course to walk into establishments where they can pay for sexual services from men who wouldn't necessarily have any attraction to them. It's putting me off me sausage butty, to be honest.

I cannot imagine how sickened I would feel if hen parties went off to Amsterdam as a matter of course to walk into establishments where they can pay for sexual services from men who wouldn't necessarily have any attraction to them.

Not wanting to get into an argument - just wanted to say that I don't feel that way at all.

I'm kind of with you, in that if women want to sell sexual services, and men want to buy them, then that's fair enough IMHO. But last estimate I saw was that 70% of prostitutes in this country were trafficked women being forced into performing on pain of pain or worse. That's not prostitution, that's rape. And that does tend to colour women's views on the subject.

Even more piss-boiling than his final paragraph, for me at least, was his reply to ginasketch's comment to him.

The one where he deliberately misrepresents her repudiation of his conflation of lap-dancing clubs with vibrators as an ad hominem attack on him, and proceeds to launch into an obfuscatory discussion of his own masturbatory habits.
(Wanker! :D )

Then again, perhaps he genuinely thought that that was what she meant by her comment?
:-o

In which case, he's not only a wanker, but a stupid wanker at that.

Actually, his similarly piss-poor, arrogant reply to yer good self is equally egregious.

In conclusion, I reckon the bloke's nobbut a self-aggrandising Oxygen Thief.

I have made a slightly beer-fueled reply...

I was referring to the fact that quite often when people talk about male masturbation they have to reference porn or strip clubs.

Human beings are far more complex than that.

But hey, *shrug*, he can project take what he likes from it.

As for the article, he lost me early on when he attributed Austen's most famous quote to Bronte - an unspecified Bronte, at that - and tried to use it to prove a point when it's Mrs Bennet's point of view and, er, unreliable to say the least :D

Since amended.

And then it just got worse. Gah. WANKER.

What of it?

No, no, no. He's MALE and therefore must be right, and you're female, and therefore MUST be wrong.

LOL, bless your presumption. I'm in favour of gender disintegration, that makes it a tad hard to be a chauvinist.

* patpat *

This is why Uncle James exists to think FOR us...

Eh, if you're horribly wrong I'll let you know. I'm a considerate fellow.

That goes for everyone, frankly your gender doesn't matter in the slightest. I don't know why that prospect seems to unsettle you so much.

WTF? COMPARING VIBRATORS TO LAP-DANCING???


*STABS PEOPLE*

Looks like you misunderstood my argument.

Indeed. Because there's NO DIFFERENCE, you know! It's all about liberalisation!

Yeah, basically. If we're talking about the origins of increased acceptability that's about it. If not you misunderstood my piece.

Oh fuckit. He'll get the wrong idea no matter what. :P

Yeah, evil pro-patriarchal patronising twerp that I am I go out of my way!

I think any form or sarcasm or wisdom will be lost on that bright spark.

Aw, bless you.

I love it when men compare christian fundamentalists and "extremist" feminists.

Eh...I'm afraid that their treatment of children is much the same here. Biting Beaver was horrified at her son masturbating to porn, as a Christian would have been.

I noticed he cited Biting Beaver as the latter. She worked as a prostitute for years and suffered abuse. She can damn well say whatever she likes about the patriarchy in my opinion.

No...Sorry...wtf? She says that she wished she had aborted her son purely because he started watching porn. You are honestly saying that that's fine and alright?

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:BitingBeaverScreenshot2.jpg

http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Image:BitingBeaverScreenshot3.jpg

That's fucked up, no two ways about it.

Even more piss-boiling than his final paragraph, for me at least, was his reply to [info]ginasketch's comment to him.

The one where he deliberately misrepresents her repudiation of his conflation of lap-dancing clubs with vibrators as an ad hominem attack on him, and proceeds to launch into an obfuscatory discussion of his own masturbatory habits.
(Wanker! :D )

She said that it would be hard for me to believe that it was possible for men to satisfy themselves without porn or lapdancing. Exactly how can that not be directed at my person?

Then again, perhaps he genuinely thought that that was what she meant by her comment?
:-o

It was what she meant.

In which case, he's not only a wanker, but a stupid wanker at that.

Oh, I'm in awe of your scathing use of insults. I'm stupid and a wanker, good lord, what point is their in life?

Actually, his similarly piss-poor, arrogant reply to yer good self is equally egregious.

In conclusion, I reckon the bloke's nobbut a self-aggrandising Oxygen Thief.

I can't stand this any longer, I'm off for some wrist-slitting.

Note to James: LJ is a PROPER blog platform, and has threaded comments. You can troll each person INDIVIDUALLY and they'll get an email telling them you've done it ;)

If I could be arsed.

Oh yeah, and as for you Jennie, I don't recall at any point saying "And here's all the stuff that I'll do to save you womyn having to worry your pretty little heads about anything this complex".

Instead I talked about the influence of the cultural shift which the writer I was responding to so severely misunderstood. I also lambasted her for her bigotry, because all bigots deserve a good lambasting. And frankly I don't know whether you are expecting women to receive special treatment but if so you shall be sorely disappointed. If I read a bad article I'll rip into it as much as it warrants and the author is of precious little consequence.

I don't find that "Patronising" and to call me "Patriarchal" is nothing short of ludicrous.

Since amended.
Hurray! I have influence...

Actually, Tim Worstoll beat you to it.