Katy Mae ([info]katyowns) wrote in [info]thequestionclub,
@ 2007-01-15 20:47:00
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does clothing matter?
this is a hypothetical..


Say you have a 10 year son, who's mature for his age, gets good grades, is involved in after school activities, does his chores, and for the gist of it is what people would call a "good kid".

One day he tells you that he wants to start wearing skirts and other girls clothing to school, that thats what he feels comfortable in and understands he's going to get teased. What would you do, let him do what he wants? bring him to therapy? forbid him from it? something else?

what are the reasons behind your choice?

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2nd q, if you would support his decision, would you fight the school if they said it was against their dresscode? this would be in a non-uniform situation


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[info]xmorningxrosex
2007-01-16 01:54 am UTC (link)
I'd be fine with it.

My reasoning is that I'm not homophobic, transphobic, or a believer in strict gender roles.

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[info]katyowns
2007-01-16 01:55 am UTC (link)
thats a fine reason to me :)

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[info]macabre
2007-01-16 01:55 am UTC (link)
I'd let him do what he wants. It's pretty common for young children to realize that they feel different with their body.

Surgery is where I'd draw a line.

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[info]flaxen_curls
2007-01-16 01:55 am UTC (link)
I'd let him do it. He says he is aware of how the other kids will react to him, which is the main thing I'd really be worried about. There was a guy a year behind me in school (who was always a little "off") that eventually started wearing girls' clothes. Since then he has changed his name and started the process of becoming a woman. Personally I say let him do what he wants, although I'm not friends with him and so I don't see first hand if/what struggles he faces.

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[info]pageless
2007-01-16 01:56 am UTC (link)
I'd gladly let him do it, if he truly understood he'd likely get teased. :) I never followed the rules of being a girl, whyever would I force my son to just follow the rules of being a boy? Kudos to him.

Though I'd probably insist he wait a couple years, when he'd be bigger and could clock anyone who didn't like how sexy his legs would look. ;P

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[info]clytem
2007-01-16 01:58 am UTC (link)
I'd say no, but only because most schools have a dress code thing and he'd get suspended.

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[info]pageless
2007-01-16 02:00 am UTC (link)
Random fact: My high school had uniforms, not just a dress code. It was strict to a tee, yet there were guys who wore kilts. So long as they wore them with the 'proper' leggings underneath, it was fine. ;)

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[info]lazarusloafer
2007-01-16 01:59 am UTC (link)
Let him, because there is no good reason not to.

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[info]redlightlove
2007-01-16 02:04 am UTC (link)
No. Because he is a BOY, and boys don't wear skirts unless they are fairies. No boy of mine would be a fairy.

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[info]pageless
2007-01-16 02:07 am UTC (link)
Tell that to this guy.

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[info]realcdaae
2007-01-16 02:05 am UTC (link)
So long as he really understands he's going to get teased, I'd let him go ahead.

If the school said it was against their dress code, I'd make a stink.

However, I'd be unlikely to be sending any of my hypothetical kids to a school that'd have a problem with it.

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[info]katyowns
2007-01-16 02:06 am UTC (link)
a lot of public schools have dress codes saying that males can't wear dress's and such cause it would be distracting from class

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[info]lunarcapricorn
2007-01-16 02:06 am UTC (link)
No. Buy him some more comfortable pants.

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[info]georgianess
2007-01-16 02:06 am UTC (link)
I'd say let him do it. This is sorta like my 12 year-old brother in a nutshell- he loves wearing my dresses, and openly admits he wants to be a transvestite as he gets older and people become more accepting. There is no good reason not to let him do it.

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[info]starlitsiren
2007-01-16 02:10 am UTC (link)
*All intents and purposes. what would an intensive purpose be?


now then. I'd say... I'd probably want him to be wearing it at home first for a while, then sortof phase it in at school. Girly-cut jeans before skirts, like that.
Because, I'd hate for him to wear a skirt to school one day and get the shit beat out of him and never look back at the idea even if he really wants it, OR wear a skirt to school for a few weeks, decide it's not really worth it/what he wants, and then be marked "the boy who wore skirts" for all time.

The school board... it would probably depend on how insulting I thought their reasoning was/how well reasoned out it was. I'd probably end up compromising so he could wear the girly clothes but not the skirts, if it came to that.

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[info]katyowns
2007-01-16 02:12 am UTC (link)
i acually realized i did that wrong and changed the entire sentence before i saw this, haha

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[info]deviatednorm
2007-01-16 02:14 am UTC (link)
I had a male friend that regularly wore skirts in highschool.

I'd have a very hard time believing this kid would understand just how much he'd get teased. I mean, it was relentless...and this was in a very "liberal" town, at the more "liberal" highschool.

So, I would probably only agree to it if he agreed to therapy/counseling. Not to try to change his ways or stop him from being a tranny, but to give him an outlet for the stress of being constantly teased other than myself/friends.

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[info]vag
2007-01-16 02:14 am UTC (link)
I'd let him, but I'd also take him to a therapist and teach him how to fight.

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[info]noveldevice
2007-01-16 02:23 am UTC (link)
Yup. He could wear skirts and such all he liked, but whether he liked it or not he'd start learning stickfighting from his daddy, and I'd find him a nice therapist so he'd have someone to talk to about all the asshats he had to smack down at school.

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[info]apestaartje
2007-01-16 02:22 am UTC (link)
That reminds me of a documentary I saw a while back about a 7 yearold Dutch boy who wants to be a girl. His parents treat him like a daughter and he looks and dresses like a girl. I found it online here. It's all in Dutch, obviously. In the documentary they say that by the time he's going through puberty he might change his mind.

I'd probably let him wear the girl's clothing.

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[info]renewedme
2007-01-16 02:33 am UTC (link)
Personally, I wouldn't allow it. I'd take him to therapy. There's not getting teased about it, he's going to get the crap beat out of him. There was a boy that all the guys called "gay" and tormented when I was in elementary school and he just played with the girls, I couldn't imagine what kids would do to a boy that wore skirts.

I'm not homophobic as I'm sure I'm going to be flamed for. Plus, the last time I checked, most gay men I know don't wear dresses or skirts.

I think it would be a good idea to catch this in the beginning. I do think it's important to keep communication open and to find the "root" of the problem if there is one.

I wouldn't fight the school for their dress code. I'd really prefer to not have a kid that would get beat up.

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[info]macabre
2007-01-16 02:42 am UTC (link)
Wearing skirts doesn't necessarily mean the person is gay. They could feel they should have been born a woman.

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[info]jiesa
2007-01-16 02:36 am UTC (link)
I would ask him to wait until college. Doing things that are against the norm in high school can have bad impacts on your life that last for years, and going too far out of the norm can even lead to dropping out when you lose hope because no one "understands" you.

IMO, coming out (for anything "out of the ordinary", not just cross-dressing) during college is a more positive experience, as you're much more likely to meet others who understand you and are in the same boat you are. In high school, it is important to stay in the little "box" you grew up in, just to get through the experience and come through only little worse for the wear.

The same people who would make fun of you in high school will meet people just like the new version of you at their own colleges and not even think of making fun of them. Pretty sad, but true.

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[info]deviatednorm
2007-01-16 02:39 am UTC (link)
*nod* Being a teenager is hard enough without trying.

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[info]ahmunnaeetchu
2007-01-16 02:41 am UTC (link)
I would try to talk to him about why he feels this way and then allow him to wear the clothes if he still wanted to.

Of course, the school would object to it so after that I would not allow him to wear the clothing to school. Nice little lesson on following the rules.

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[info]mizcheyenne
2007-01-16 02:45 am UTC (link)
I'd let him, and also talk to him about his sense of gender, and to parents of children who are trans and try to gain more insight on how I can best support him.

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[info]supernovacaine
2007-01-16 02:45 am UTC (link)
I don't entirely understand why a transsexual feels the need to wear a dress...this is the 21st century. Women wear pants too.

I'm dead serious. I don't completely get it. Anyone want to add some insight?

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[info]katyowns
2007-01-16 02:47 am UTC (link)
I wear dresses, I enjoy them, I am a woman. If someone born a man feels they are a woman inside, I imagine like myself they may just enjoy wearing them.

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[info]__followme
2007-01-16 02:52 am UTC (link)
I'd let him wear skirts and girls' clothes just fine. I think if he wants to try new thigns I'd let him do what he wants, and I'd help him with his decision.

HOWEVER, if "cross-dressing" was specifically against the school's dress code (BEFORE my hypothetical son ever wanted to dress like a girl) I wouldn't let him. I think following the school's dresscode is just respectible. I'd let him wear girls' clothing outside of school however, if he still wanted.

IF the school decided this was against their dresscode AFTER my hypothetical son started dressing this way, I'd fight them.

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[info]ryanxcore87
2007-01-16 02:55 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't let him.

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[info]ahmunnaeetchu
2007-01-16 03:00 am UTC (link)
P.S. Like it really matters anyway?

Don't you guys know the cool new thing is for guys to look like girls and girls to look like guys? I mean-- come on, we can all wear makeup and shave our heads! We all wear pants two sizes too small. Its equality, man!

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[info]argh4itchytasty
2007-01-16 03:02 am UTC (link)
I wouldn't hold it against him or anything, but I'd explain to him that I wouldn't let him go to school like that, because kids can be cruel. I wouldn't want to get a call from the school saying he had been beaten terribly, or worse, killed.

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[info]backburner
2007-01-16 03:05 am UTC (link)
I'd let him, but I'd make him go to therapy. Not to change his mind, but to help him process reactions he may be getting to better flesh out what his feeling are, what may be transitory vs. core beliefs.

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[info]hajiomatic
2007-01-16 03:07 am UTC (link)
TIME TO HOMESCHOOL.....

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