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Apr. 4th, 2008 | 08:44 am
posted by: [info]paulwitcover in [info]theinferior4

From yesterday's Times, news of the formation of a publishing group at HarperCollins devoted to (1) eliminating advances for authors, and (2) eliminating returns from booksellers.  Check it out here.  

When publishers look to increase their profits, the first place they look is to authors (and their agents), whom they see as parasites picking their pockets and, to add insult to injury, demanding outrageous perks in the process.  Like marketing, for example.  Or real editorial services.  Here the talk is of "profit-sharing," with the author foregoing an advance and (perhaps) splitting the net proceeds with the publisher.  As a writer, I'm very, very leery of this approach, especially as implemented here.  Why?  From the article:

"In keeping with the new group’s digital focus, Ms. Friedman said it would conduct most of its marketing online, rather than buying traditional newspaper or magazine advertisements."

In other words, if you sign on to this new outfit, you will be treated like a second-class author.  Instead of producing a concrete marketing plan, with actual ads in physical locations, the plan is to throw things up on the Internet and hope for the best.  Back in 2001-02, when I was an editor at iPublish, TimeWarner's Internet deal, the "vision" was much the same, with projections of tens of millions in profit after mere months.  The rationale there was explicitly to cut out agents (i.e., advances) and eliminate returns.  The enterprise folded after less than a year.  Have we really come so far in the years since?  I doubt it.

As for returns, why would a bookseller accept a consignment of books from a start-up publisher who does not accept returns when it can instead accept books from all the other publishers who do?  Where is the economic sense in that?

I'm not arguing that the industry doesn't need to be reformed.  But let's face it:  publishers are part of the problem, not the solution.  The solution, I believe, whatever it may turn out to be, will come from below, not above:  from writers and readers.  Something analogous to the way in which the music industry is being transformed is needed, and will ultimately occur -- or so I tell myself.

In the meantime:  caveat author!

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Galleycat just put up a piece linking to this blog (thanks, Emily) that contains more information and some rather gushy quotes from editors and agents.   I remain unconvinced.  You can read it here

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14theditch

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from: [info]14theditch
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 01:25 pm (UTC)
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Paul: Thanks for the insight on this.

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 01:31 pm (UTC)
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Jeff, your publisher is under the Harper umbrella, isn't it? I wonder if you'll be approached for this ...

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Shalanna

Change it has to come--we knew it all along

from: [info]shalanna
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 01:31 pm (UTC)
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I agree that I don't think this particular unit (as they call it . . . makes it sound vaguely pr0n0graphic) will be able to stick around, partly because authors who can get a deal elsewhere will. But also because Internet-only marketing cuts out a segment of the buying public. I have friends and acquaintances who are forty and older (HORRORS), and I'll go out on a limb and state that most of them just don't use the 'net to buy all their books or read reviews. They use e-mail at work, and they use applications all the time, but they don't necessarily go to the 'net for advice about book buying or do all their book shopping online. They like to prowl the bookstore and the library. I suppose they could be a bunch of Luddites, but maybe not. (My aunt still has trouble figuring out why anyone would want to keep an online journal. For that matter, so does my husband, and he's a 'net lizard.)

I did blog about this yesterday, though, because I was thinking that this move could prompt copycat moves from all the other houses. If they all got together and agreed, "No more advances," we would be stuck, wouldn't we? We'd have to agree or move to small presses (which are no longer welcome at Amazon) or self-publishing. Of course, maybe I'm being ridiculous because perhaps getting all the New York houses to agree might be like herding cats. But considering the consolidation that has happened and the way they are now seemingly driven by the marketing people, I think it's a possibility if they all got together at once. The upper eschelons where the money people are might well be able to cooperate on something like this. Same for returns policy. And then bookstores would have to just DO whatever it took to get stock.

I'm just speculating, of course. But it's the first volley, kind of a test case, in my opinion. If this happened to work out, they would all stampede towards doing it the more profitable way, because that's capitalism at work. However, authors would then be at even more of a disadvantage.

You have to wonder what'll happen. I would not mind seeing the shift you suggest (towards the new model of music distribution), except I think that we'd have the same problems getting attention for our work, or even worse, as authors don't play gigs and the samples they give out don't get put on repeat play. . . .

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 01:40 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for this thoughtful response! One thing to bear in mind, I think, is that the dividing line btw. booksellers and publishers is also blurring. B&N, for example, publishes a ton of original and reprint fiction and non-fiction. They are the leaders on the bookseller side, though amazon is also breaking new ground here. If all the publishers get together to eliminate returns and advances, which I consider all-but impossible, perhaps booksellers would begin talking to writers directly.

Why do I say "all-but impossible"?

Because in order to turn the kind of profit today that shareholders and parent corporations demand, publishers need to attract big-name authors. The only way they can do that is by paying big-time advances. I don't see how this formula can change minus the collapse of the industry, and we're still a long way from that.

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maggiedr

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from: [info]maggiedr
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 02:08 pm (UTC)
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I've worked for Border's for nearly five years, in several capacities, all of them low on the food chain. I just want to comment on the practice of returning unsold books to publishers. I witness first-hand how costly this is, not just to the publisher, but to the bookseller as well. You would think that companies like B&N and Borders would grasp how expensive it is to utilize space and employee time in order to shuffle around massive quantities of books that wind up being stacked in overstock, and then returned. But I assure you, they do not seem to care. The financial impact to booksellers, if they no longer could return unsold copies, would actually be very favorable, because they'd have to order realistic numbers to begin with.

I would estimate that at least 50% of the inventory team's time is spent coping with receiving, shelving, and returning books. Describing it like that makes it sound much easier than it really is, because you'd have to see the sheer excessive numbers of books in order to comprehend it. And the wastefulness of stripping paperback books (only covers are returned to the publisher, book stores trash the body of the book at their own expense) is mind-boggling. I don't know that much about the printing end of things, but it seems that a lot less books could be printed initially, at a great savings all around: the publisher, booksellers, and the environment. Yet booksellers are terrified they'll be caught without adequate stock when the next bestseller gets announced by Oprah.

I really believe the current policy of returns is excessive, wasteful, and costly all the way around. A lot of money could be saved, and then they wouldn't have to cut the poor author's advances.

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 02:11 pm (UTC)
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Thanks for this in-the-trenches perspective! I would be very interested to know more about the actual financials involved . . .

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from: [info]sclerotic_rings
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 05:55 pm (UTC)
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Unfortunately, Borders won't stop until the various members of the American Bookseller's Association also agree to go to a nonreturnable basis, and you'll see the Dallas Cowboys winning this year's World Series before that happens. My ex-wife managed several failed bookstores, and she blew a gasket every time someone suggested even the possibility of publishers going to exclusively non-returnable contracts. For the multitudes of Frumpy Fiftysomething's Used Books and Quiet Desperation Emporium franchises, they won't give up returns because this way they don't have to be held responsible for bad purchasing decisions (buying lots of books that can't sell just because the author regularly schmoozes the store owner, for instance). Besides, the fact that Borders and Barnes & Noble have moved their game to a whole new level gives them something else to bitch about when their incompetently run stores go out of business: "My store didn't die because I set up in a rotting strip mall and blatantly ignored new customers! My store died because Borders offers huge discounts, a larger selection, and sells over the Internet! That's not fair!"

Sorry: I've been watching bookselling as we know it implode for the last decade, and almost all of the damage is self-inflicted by the same losers who think that a "Buy Local!" sign in their flyspecked front window is a suitable alternative to a decent selection or a storefront that doesn't smell of "shop cat" urine. Personally, I'm in favor of the Frumpy Fiftysomething's proprietors throwing tantrums and insisting that they'll go to publishers who still honor returns, because that just means that they'll concentrate their bad decisions on fewer publishers and those publishers will have to go to a non-returnable basis as well.

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The Esoteric Science Resource Center

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from: [info]sclerotic_rings
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 06:07 pm (UTC)
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The other reason why you won't see this happen, truth be told, is that most new bookselling has become a shell game. Take a horrendous overorder of Oprah's new book, return it, get a credit for new books, and let the publisher take a tax writeoff. Reading the other day in Publisher's Weekly that the American publishing industry puts out nearly 300,000 books per year: there's simply no way the business can support that kind of output unless actual sales to actual readers is secondary.

Well, I know that an insane amount of ego is involved on behalf of the author, the editor, the publisher, and the bookseller (it's the same situation in the movie industry, thus helping to explain why Joel Schumacher and Paul W.S. Anderson haven't been taken out somewhere and shot like Old Yeller), and that's the real reason why nothing's going to change. All four groups act like gambling addicts: "The last 3000 attempts failed miserably, but I KNOW that this one is going to be the one that wins!"

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Okrzyki, przyjaciel!

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from: [info]chaircrusher
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 03:24 pm (UTC)
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Believe me, if publishers could get self-writing books, they'd cut the authors out of the loop too.

The parallels between the publishing and the record industry are apt in this case -- the common thread being the company handling manufacturing and distribution treats the people responsible for the content with contempt.

Publishers better thank their lucky stars that no one has come up with an effective iPod for books -- they still rely on the physical object and it's peerless user interface for copy protection. On the other hand, Amazon can't make Kindles fast enough, so if they're not worried now, they're delusional.

If publishers want to do something useful with their time, they should figure out what their digital business model will be. They have a giant example of what not to do right in front of them: the major record labels, who are in the process of dying for lack of a new business model beyond screwing artists on one hand and suing consumers on the other.

On a side note, there used to be no such things as remaindered books; the tax laws actually rewarded publishers to keep books in print and inventory. It's OK for the discerning consumer who can find treasures on the remainder table, but it's had an awful effect on the generally available supply of books, and probably ended up screwing authors in the process as well.


Edited at 2008-04-04 03:25 pm (UTC)

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 04:38 pm (UTC)
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A cogent post. Thanks!

I must admit to being surprised by the popularity of Kindles. Everything I've read makes them seem an ineffective product. Of course, I don't actually know anybody who's used one . . .

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from: [info]sclerotic_rings
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 07:41 pm (UTC)
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What's worse is that the proliferation of remaindered books only makes it harder to get bookbuyers to buy the books new in the first place, and any author whose first book doesn't sell well is probably not going to sell a second, no matter how many copies fly off the shelves in the remainder section. It's much like the situation in the comics industry, where graphic novel sales have discouraged readers from buying individual comics because "I'll wait for the graphic novel", even though the graphic novel won't happen because the comic sales were so poor.

All told, especially looking at what's going on at Borders thanks to its expansion into discount books, the change in the tax laws at the bequest of Borders and Rupert Murdoch was an incredibly short-sighted decision that is going to make everyone pay. Of course, even after the damage of the last fifteen years since it went through, nobody wants to change the laws back, because they'd all rather go under than give someone else a perceived advantage. Me, I'm actually looking forward to the implosion, because a lot of otherwise unemployable English and journalism majors working for the chain stores are going to feel the same pain that everyone in the tech arena felt during the dotcom bust. (And no, subsidizing my ex-wife for years while she worked as a minimum-wage bookseller who wouldn't get another job because "I wanna stay in the publishing business!" has nothing to do with it. Nope. Not at all.)

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ellen_datlow

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from: [info]ellen_datlow
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 04:02 pm (UTC)
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this just arrived in my mailbox (from Publishers Lunch):

On some of the specific intentions of the new line, a 50/50 profit share with authors (and minimal advances) is a central tenet. But the idea of selling everything on a non-returnable basis was overstated in a WSJ report. Miller says "I definitely want to sell non-returnable if possible" particularly since that maximizes the profits to be shared and "the goal is to try and stop wasting money on things that don't actually help sell books." But he recognizes that conversations with retailers are an essential element of such a plan and that the process may "evolve after we start."

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 04:40 pm (UTC)
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What exactly are they doing to justify their 50% cut, I'd like to know.

But thanks for the correction, which really sounds more like the publisher already beginning to backtrack due to feedback from booksellers.

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from: [info]sclerotic_rings
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 06:01 pm (UTC)
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What really gets me about the whole concept is that it says nothing about the number of starfucker book deals that give the press those great stories about advances in the first place. After all, the vast majority of writers might get a $5000 advance if they're lucky. However, somebody's giving insane advances to Jay Leno and Elizabeth Wurtzel and Whitley Strieber and Newt Gingrich for books that later get returned by the long ton, but it's somehow the other writers' fault that some idiot editor thought that giving Jerry Seinfeld a $1 million advance, when ol' Jerry can't even think in numbers that small any more.

(Personally, I'm surprised that most publishers aren't running with the idea of hyping up the idea of big authors taking tiny advances, such as Stephen King's 10-cent advance two decades ago. Think of the sales promotion: "Big-Name Author X thinks so highly of his book that he's waiting for you to confirm it instead of taking the money and running!" The small writers still get a fair advance, but being able to advertise that the latest equivalent of J.K. Rowling or Clive Cussler took a dollar advance might be one hell of a promotional strategy.)

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
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I have to fight my way past a mental block in criticizing any writer who takes however large an advance he can wring out of his publisher. Most writers at least have struggled a bit before they make it, if they do make it. But I am pissed off at writers like King and others who reap these really obscene amounts of money and then don't use their influence to help writers who are starting out or who lack any real influnce themselves. Not by doling out shares of their advance or endowing prizes or anything, but by pressuring the publishers or by starting your own damn publishing company, like Eggers did.

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FlaggerX

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from: [info]flaggerx
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 06:34 pm (UTC)
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Pehaps they will hire Karl Rove to push for their position.

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
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"They" being whom in this context? The publishers or the writers?

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ellen_datlow

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from: [info]ellen_datlow
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
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Did you see that Galley Cat picked up this blog post?
http://tinyurl.com/66ch2l

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 08:34 pm (UTC)
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I did, and duly updated the main post. But thanks, Ellen, for your eagle eyes!

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mystrymonotreme

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from: [info]mystrymonotreme
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 11:13 pm (UTC)
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As a bookseller for over 15 years--part spent at a chain, the rest at indie bookstores-- I've seen the publishing industry prostitute itself to the chains. The chains have the ability (through the handful of buyers) to order up hundreds of thousands of copies of a new title, which makes a publisher very excited. But what the publisher doesn't anticipate is that there isn't any real motivation to train its employees to handsell that book. So what if some buyer at B&N ordered 300,000 copies of "Book X"? If the people in the frontlines aren't encouraged to read the book, no amount of merchandising will make a book sell.

So then then chain turns around and sends back the 299,000 copies it didn't sell, and due to a tax law (originally applied to heavy machinery, but somehow applying to all manufacturing industries), the publisher CANNOT have those books in their inventory at the end of the financial year--otherwise they get taxed on what's in the warehouse. And that's how remainders show up. That's how remainders can show up while a book is still in it's initial hardback print-run!... The publisher's undercutting itself,so is the bookseller, and the customer wins....

What the industry needs is not no-return policies, but return limits. The independent stores I've worked at have managed to survive because they became more shrewd in their frontlist buying-- if we ordered 40 copies of "Book X", well we better move 40 units, because it does cost everyone involved time and money to process those returns. At one point at my store our return rate of total inventory for the year was down to 12%... I'm sure the chains return rate is up above 40% of the inventory or more...

So if the publishing houses establish rules that only 20% of inventory can be returned, we'd see the chains panicking, and not the indies-- who are more flexible and adaptable to change; and any self-respecting indie should be more shrewd with its buying practices in the first place.

There are solutions out there, it's just that everyone needs to quit the knee-jerk reactions and find a middle-ground.

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 4th, 2008 11:43 pm (UTC)
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This is fascinating. I need to learn more about this tax law and it's strange application.

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Ben Peek

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from: [info]benpeek
date: Apr. 5th, 2008 12:47 am (UTC)
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</i>The solution, I believe, whatever it may turn out to be, will come from below, not above: from writers and readers. Something analogous to the way in which the music industry is being transformed is needed, and will ultimately occur -- or so I tell myself.

i suspect the same thing.

personally, i reckon you'll find it more common to see established authors leave big publishers, eventually, and start printing/distributing their own work. i say established because, the way things are set up currently, new authors can't do it without getting the backlash and name calling that effectively reduces them to wasting their time on it. but it's been done, and as you point out in the comments, there's eggars, but it's also in the music world too--henry rollins has been publishing his own things for a while now, i believe.

anyhow, eventually, i reckon you'll see more and more new authors wanting to be in control of their work, like musicians, and leaving the giant corporations--but time'll see if i'm right.

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from: anonymous
date: Apr. 5th, 2008 09:42 am (UTC)
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The current model needs changing... this is simply a step in its evolution.

Personally I believe authors need to ante up their own cash and have some self-belief in their own product. Selling books is hard work - harder than writing the bastards. No, I'm not a bookseller, I'm a writer ... and, at one time, a magazine publisher. I know the pain of marketing, distribution and returns. The business of printing truly sucks.

Unfortunately making money from this gig is all about business - unit sales, P&S statements, successful promotion. The really hungry authors will be the ones that will embrace - and manipulate - the new era.

It's all about hustling.

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John Crowley

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from: [info]crowleycrow
date: Apr. 5th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
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That's a wonderful idea. The writer should find the time to write a book, or books, which is a full time job or at least discourages the taking of a full time job, and then pay to have it published by a publisher who will then not promote it, because of course selling books is so hard. I have eleven novels published in several languages and a certain reputation, and I can't live on the advances now offered, which I actually have a hard time earning out. I have to take another job to supplement those advances. Without the advances, I would have to give up writing; or, in your scheme, actually pay out of my salary, which would be pauperizing. I have no idea whether the world would be richer or poorer for having no more of my books, and I am profoundly grateful and sometimes even feel guilty for making money on what I would probably do for nothing if I could afford to, but your scheme is not only unworkable but insulting. Selling books harder than writing them! Write one, get it published and win an audience for it, then tell me.

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from: [info]paulwitcover
date: Apr. 5th, 2008 01:44 pm (UTC)
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Sadly, you make a valid point.

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