DON'T FUCKIN' TOUCH SWORDS ([info]shorxrore) wrote in [info]sxe,
@ 2005-11-18 00:37:00
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ok so...
say you believe that there is a line in straight edge that divides what is sexually ok and what is not based off of physical intimacy (i do not believe this, but many here do). so where do you draw this line? how physically sexual can you be with someone outside of a "monogamous relationship" (the exact time and content of which is only defined in the straight edge manual when you first get your ID card) before you've "broken edge"?

does kissing count?
making out?
any ograsm?
just intercourse?
what if it's two lesbians and they don't have intercourse - then what?
what about people who don't have intercourse ever cuz they can't or don't like it and instead do other stuff?
heavy petting?
any genital touching at all?
holding hands?
if i whip someone til their ass bleeds...does that count?

all of these things happen.

where and how do you draw the line? why can you make out with someone but not have sex with them? why can you touch their nono's but can't lick their nono's? anyone?




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[info]lipids
2005-11-18 11:20 am UTC (link)
personally, anything beyond making out doesn't happen when i'm not with the person. i think anything beyond there is too intimate.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 01:16 am UTC (link)
so only mouth kissing? and maybe some neck? what about lower than neck kissing?

(i'm serious...ish)

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[info]xjustxthexgirlx
2005-11-18 12:01 pm UTC (link)
I went crazy months ago and had sex a few times. Im done. I am way happier with just kissing. You dont get hurt as much when it ends. And sometimes a soft gentle kiss on the forhead can mean so much more than crazy hot rough sex would any day.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 10:01 pm UTC (link)
And sometimes a soft gentle kiss on the forhead can mean so much more than crazy hot rough sex would any day.

lol you lyin'

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 01:15 am UTC (link)
haha a few times? that's nothin :P

and honestly, if you're getting hurt, it just sounds like you're not having sex right (physically if it hurts physically, emotionally if it hurts emotionally, or a blend of the two).

also, kisses can be very nice. that's sort of the point...the physical act of sex doesn't matter that much, the emotions do, hence i believe straight edge shouldn't apply to the physical act but it should apply to the mental aspect of sex.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-11-18 03:22 pm UTC (link)
honestly, who the fuck defines kissing as sex?

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[info]xwithout_lifex
2005-11-18 07:13 pm UTC (link)
this ass clown, go back a few posts and check out the huge arguement we got into where shorexrore calls me a sexist like 8741847 times

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 10:01 pm UTC (link)
he said physically sexual, dipshit

=)

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-11-18 03:22 pm UTC (link)
COMMON SENSE, PEOPLE. PURE AND SIMPLE COMMON SENSE.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 10:02 pm UTC (link)
why the caps? all hot and bothered?

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[info]__theanalogkid
2005-11-18 04:39 pm UTC (link)
are you edge or are you just a troll?

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[info]xvengeancex666
2005-11-18 05:53 pm UTC (link)
he's been edge longer than most of us.

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[info]xxallisterxx
2005-11-18 05:52 pm UTC (link)
COMMON FUCKING SENSE, JESUS CHRIST THIS ISNT SOME CULT OR SOME BULLSHIT, THINK WITH YOUR DAMN BRAIN AND USE IT ONCE IN A WHILE

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 10:10 pm UTC (link)
CALM THE FUCK DOWN

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[info]xvengeancex666
2005-11-18 05:53 pm UTC (link)
it doesn't matter, as long as the person and the act means something to me.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 12:53 am UTC (link)
ur so not edge xlolx

;)

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[info]emotam
2005-11-18 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Fuck sake people calm down...Hes asking what you personally think about it..its not as if he doesnt know what hes talking about...

but yeah..
1) ok personally you can kiss whoever you want and that wouldnt be breaking edge to me, however i wouldnt do that because i like even a kiss to mean something..

2) The orgasm one im not sure about..youd have to be more specific..

3) I cant really answer the lesbian one, id have to be put in the position myself and thats just not gona happen..

4) The doing other stuff one..personally if you just like going everywhere getting blowjobs off of random people or something i wouldnt really consider that person edge, its just like your trying to find a flaw with straight edge or something..which means it would be pretty stupid to claim edge yourself...

5) For genital touching, it could justy be for a laugh or soemthing so that would be ok i guess..

6) holding hand is not breaking edge at all

7) oooooook...the last one is simply just a bit scary :P

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 01:09 am UTC (link)
haha nice answers :)

my point in asking the (sometimes hilarious) variety of questions is that i feel people define the sexual aspect of straight edge as a way to put down other people, not a way to have healthy sexual relationships with people. much like the "kill drug dealers" ethic of many sxe kids, many don't really have this definitive line as to what's ok and what's not so when someone they don't like does something in that gray area of what's edge and what's not they just get to put them down by saying it's morally wrong. you can't go arond attacking people's sexual practices when you can't even give an answer as to what you think is a healthy sexual lifestyle - which is what many people here are doing.

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[info]xmegaxtronx
2005-11-18 06:55 pm UTC (link)
sex only with a girlfriend.
and by girlfriend i mean relationship longer than one night. usually longer than two also. hehe.
as for everything else...
"does kissing count?"
kissing isn't sex.
"making out?"
same as kissing. that will result only in rocky times in a relationship.
"any ograsm?"
intercourse ... yes. it counts.
"just intercourse?"
yes.
"what if it's two lesbians and they don't have intercourse - then what?"
no.
"what about people who don't have intercourse ever cuz they can't or don't like it and instead do other stuff?"
no.
"heavy petting?"
define heavy. :)
"any genital touching at all?"
touching isn't sex in my book.
"holding hands?"
you're kidding.
"if i whip someone til their ass bleeds...does that count?"
no, but i imagine it to be very interesting. hehe

bottom line ... if you want to have sex, just do it. you don't need other people's opinion.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 01:04 am UTC (link)
ok so here is my commentary on that - you are coming from a very hetero-centric point of view of sex. many MANY people view oral, manual, anal, and vaginal sex as all being "sex". by separating vaginal intercourse and saying that is what defines the straight edge commentary on sex you are sending a negative message to gay people which reads something like "you don't have to worry because your sex isn't as important as heterosexual sex so you can do whatever you want whenever you want"

that's a problem.

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[info]xwithout_lifex
2005-11-18 07:21 pm UTC (link)
ok, casual sex, to me is defined as trolling for an orgasm with whoever, whenever. when you have to come on here and be like "well what is it exactly?" and try to lay out a definitive line, as i said before there isn't one.

for anyone who thinks that sex was never intended in the original concept of straight edge i came across this interview again just recently

Ian MacKaye: "I wasn't anti-sex, but if everyone spent all thier time trying to get laid we'd never be able to build anything. I was interested in trying to create a culture. Sex was a diversionevery teen did, so I thought it was stupid. It ties into the whole Straight Edge thing. Drinking, every teenage kid does it; I didn't want to be normal. Groupies were so Rock & Roll. Fuck that - it had nothing to do with me." -American Hardcore p.34

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 12:53 am UTC (link)
"as i said before there isn't one."

then why am i not straight edge? (according to you)

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[info]xnatecorex
2005-11-18 08:59 pm UTC (link)
You're a tool.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 10:14 pm UTC (link)
must be the lack of toxins in your blood stream keeping your wit strong...

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[info]_ginandkerosine
2005-11-18 10:08 pm UTC (link)
This is not edge:
Carrie: A fuck buddy is a guy you probably dated once or twice and it didn't really go anywhere, but the sex is so great you sort of... keep him on call.
Samantha: Ooo, he's like dial-a-dick!




i like sex and the city. so shoot me.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 12:58 am UTC (link)
lol

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[info]xbloodlossx
2005-11-18 11:08 pm UTC (link)
im tired of these posts! i swear there's one about sex every day! FIGURE IT OUT YOURSELF.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-18 11:24 pm UTC (link)
lol can't handle the sex talk

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[info]fakefrancais
2005-11-19 05:42 am UTC (link)
can i fuck you till your ass bleeds plz

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 10:03 pm UTC (link)
depends - cock or dildo?

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[info]xmegaxtronx
2005-11-19 02:02 pm UTC (link)
the reason i sound hetero-centric is that i'm a heterosexual. i gave an honest comment, because i told you what I think. even though i didin't think about homosexuals and problems they might have on this issue. although, there is a big difference in the things you wrote down and actual acts of sex, in hetero/homo sexual realtionship. you know that holding hands isn't sex. hehe.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-19 09:51 pm UTC (link)
yea i know, i gotta throw in a few funny ones to keep it light. just cuz you're hetero (which i am also) doesn't mean you gotta be heterocentric. it's important that all people can be involved in all movements, if we make rules that exclude huge social groups then we're gonna become a hate group (which a large portion of us are already...which is horrible). i wasn't pissed at you or anything, it's easy to not think outside yourself, but it's important to get used to doing it.

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[info]dear_endeavor
2005-11-19 02:18 pm UTC (link)
personally, i wouldn't want go past a kiss with someone i didn't have a serious relationship with. i would also have to like them and be interested in starting something more serious with them. i don't think that has anything to do with being edge though. that is just what i want for myself. to me i think being edge is living a healthy life style, with respect. i don't think you should be with a different person, or someone who doesn't matter. i think serious things should be had with serious people whom you care about and have a relationship with. i mean, is this life style not partly about resisting temptation? i don't think it is healthy to have sexual relations with different people who don't mean much to you. yes you could agure that your friends with them or whatever, but i believe theres a line between friendships. but in the end it's your own choice. sex is a touchy subject in the world of "sxe" and i don't think there is an answer that everyone will 100% agree with. this is just what i believe and what i live by.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-20 03:42 am UTC (link)
there are...try reading all the comments, not just your own and people you're friends with.

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[info]xmaladaptivex
2005-11-20 07:00 pm UTC (link)
haha, i love that i don't even fuck with you guys anymore and you're still insulting me to try to get a rise out of my boyfriend.

keep talking about how immature we are and how manly and grown up you are while you throw fat jokes and insults around on the internet. keep calling me retarded because LOL RETARDS ARE FUNNY I GUESS and true intelligence has no merit to you. you want to walk all over people and be the man. lynn and i aren't messing with you, stop messing with us. you said you'd see us in court, leave it to that if you think you've got some kind of case. there is no need for this bullshit to keep popping up. hold whatever grudges you want, dude, but christ. this livejournal shit is getting tiresome. if you have a problem, bring it up in the real world.

by the way... are you threatening me, saying you know where i live?? because i guarantee you... show up on my campus and i'll have the cops there in three seconds. i didn't do a goddamn thing to you, let's leave it at that. i never knew being loud during sex was such a crime!!

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-11-20 08:36 pm UTC (link)
what the fuck is this?

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[info]xi_refusex
2005-11-22 10:44 pm UTC (link)
maybe there's no cut-and-dried answer. maybe each individual should decide what they deem acceptable. if they have such clear notion of what the dividing line in their edge is, then they should adhere to that line. i've always thought of it as you live by example, not what you can type on a message board. i live a clean lifestyle, i don't usually talk about it. i just do it. i couldn't have sex with someone i didn't love. it's not a result of gender roles...it's the fact that i like sex with emotional meaning. but i don't sit there and argue about how i'm more virtuous and edge than the next kid. "those who talk loudly have nothing behind them."

this isn't something there will ever be an answer for. everyone has a different personal interpretation.

you have some very interesting views on sex and even though i don't agree with some of them, it's always interesting read. :)

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-22 10:58 pm UTC (link)
i definitely agree that it's mainly "to each his or her own" type of thing. i think there's some basic things that you have to abide by, such as if you're forcing or coercing people into having sex, or having sex with people who are too wasted to know what's going on, or something else that is directly destructive to yourself or others. other than that, if you're happy with what you're doing and not hurting anyone intentionally then that is what matters.

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[info]summer_scars
2005-11-24 12:38 am UTC (link)
wow, that post made me really...horny.

HAHA wtf I draw the line at holding hands. but only because I've never liked doing anything more than that unless I really REALLY liked the guy. I don't understand how some people can just makeout with people they barely know or like, that's always baffled me.

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[info]shorxrore
2005-11-24 01:46 am UTC (link)
heh, well, most people here seem to think making out is fine with whoever you want. whereas i think having sex with whoever you want is fine. so whatevz.

it's just one of those things...to me, sex is the beginning of a relationship, not the goal or an end. it's a way to get close to someone and then afterwards you can be more honest with each other and get to know each other better cuz you've seen each other naked and make loud noises and all crazy. that's one of the reasons anyway :P

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