Tony Danza and stuff... ([info]sockit2darocket) wrote in [info]sxe,
@ 2005-10-23 14:20:00
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Hmmm....
Just making sure, but isn't straight-edge totally relative? I hear all these people bashing other kids to death because they might've sat around their grandma and gotten a little second hand because she's been smoking since TV's were invented, and to me, being edge is just about keeping myself from being a complete and total idiot.

(refer to post about Communion)


Just because one tiny little drop of slightly fermented grape juice goes into my stomach doesn't mean I've broken edge or what-not. What are some of you kids' problems!? There's no offical straight edge rulebook that everyone must abide by and thats how it seems sometimes on here. Jeez, some people can be so unnecessarily brutal. All the clueless kids that happen to drop by this Livejournal probably wanna go kill themselves because they feel like an anus.




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[info]sorrowsxrequiem
2005-10-24 03:52 am UTC (link)
drinking wine at church is breaking edge, im sorry

no alcohol means no alcohol

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[info]xxallisterxx
2005-10-24 04:29 am UTC (link)
mmmhhmm

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[info]ryansmithxvx
2005-10-24 05:23 pm UTC (link)
i 100% agree and i'm a Christian

i've never understood why people continue to use alcohol for it anyway. one of my professors knows someone that relapsed into alcoholism because his church used wine for communion

sxe is perfectly possible to do and still not violate Christian principles. i do it and i know tons of others that do as well

ps-
GO VEGAN

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[info]guns_suck
2005-10-24 04:00 am UTC (link)
Crest mouthwash yo!

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[info]tuffgnarl
2005-10-24 04:00 am UTC (link)
That's the breaks (no pun intended!) dude. Why dont you take a hit from a bong braaa? It's just smoke from a little teeny weeny bit of a burning plant?

Look up the word "Abstinence". Straight Edge is abstinence.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-24 04:17 am UTC (link)
it isn't edge you're speaking of, it's the reality of being sensible and mature...i would assume that your views will not be welcomed or well received here...you make sense amidst irrationality...i like it

=)

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[info]tuffgnarl
2005-10-24 04:24 am UTC (link)
It's not that his views aren't well-received because we're all close-minded, knuckle-dragging idealogues; they aren't well-received because he is trying to tell us what Straight Edge really is like we're all clueless morons. STRAIGHT EDGE IS TOTAL ABSTIENCE FROM DRUGS AND PERMISCUOUS SEX. Ian Mackaye had a huge influence on the movement (obviously) but it turned into something different very quickly. Sorry to burst everyone's fucking bubble. Jesus.

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[info]moveit_moveit
2005-10-24 04:48 am UTC (link)
If being edge is about keeping yourself for being a complete and total idiot, then you totally just broke edge by making this post, imbecile.

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[info]__electrixx
2005-10-24 05:16 am UTC (link)
Your comment just made my day.

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(no subject) - [info]moveit_moveit, 2005-10-24 03:23 pm UTC

[info]sockit2darocket
2005-10-24 06:59 am UTC (link)
dude, seriously. i don't do all that junk drinking and smoking pot or sleeping around or anything. i just don't see why this

sorrowsxrequiem- "no alcohol means no alcohol"

or tuffgnarl-"why don't you take a hit off a bong braa..."

or whatever people have to be so hateful all the time. no i don't do any of that junk. i'm alcohol free because communion doesn't count in my mind and i don't smoke pot and i don't sleep around. the most respect i can have is for this shanepederson guy because he sees that i'm being sensible. i consider my mind-set sxe because i don't do that junk and it keeps me from doing stuff i'll regret. straight edge is for me and no one has the right to tell me what my straight edge should be. jeez, i guess guidelines are fine, but i hate this whole elitist rulebook being shoved down my throat.

STRAIGHT EDGE IS RELATIVE. IAN GOT SO PISSED OFF AT YA DERN KIDS CUZ YOU ALL MADE IT RIDICULOUS AND HIGHLY STANDARDIZED.

i eat burgers and drink soda, does that make me un-edge too?

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[info]xwithout_lifex
2005-10-24 07:04 am UTC (link)
no one mentioned meat or what not so shut the fuck up and stop crying. you wanna talk with the big kids then start fucking acting like one.

"i'm alcohol free because communion doesn't count in my mind"
that is a complete contradiction you might as well say...
"I'm alcohol free... you know except for when i have alcohol"

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(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-24 01:11 pm UTC

[info]sorrowsxrequiem
2005-10-24 07:06 am UTC (link)
how was what i said hateful at all?

there is no accepted ammount of alcohol you can consume, and remain true to straight edge. im sorry, but its the truth. i dont care what communion signifies in your mind, but in the real world, its wine, and straight edge is against alcohol of any kind.


thats why religion has no place in straight edge. conflicts like this happen. straight edge doesnt care if its the blood of christ, you still broke edge.

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[info]xwithout_lifex
2005-10-24 07:01 am UTC (link)
here's no offical straight edge rulebook that everyone must abide by and thats how it seems sometimes on here. Jeez, some people can be so unnecessarily brutal.

no there aren't any rules... if you don't agree with what straight edge is then you aren't edge. period. it isn't about following rules or guidelines. it's like this "here is straight edge (points at straight edge) if you believe in this, then you are straight edge, if you are bending who you are to call yourself it then you are not"

Straight Edge is abstinance... period

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-24 01:13 pm UTC (link)
this comment was completely incomprehesible...

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(no subject) - [info]xwithout_lifex, 2005-10-25 07:39 am UTC
let's play livejournal charades at 4:00 AM whilst a hurricane is coming to fuck you up.
[info]tuffgnarl
2005-10-24 07:58 am UTC (link)
Guys, I think Straight Edge is about jerking off my dog and crushing up xanex and snorthing it off of my cool, older cousin's Jawbreaker vinyl that he bought in 1994. What! What do you mean it's not Straight Edge?! There's no rulebook! You guys are close-minded! Good thing people like shanepedersen to understand my plight! I'm a christian dorkass! I probably love AFI!

who am i?

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[info]sorrowsxrequiem
2005-10-24 09:58 am UTC (link)
i laughed until i saw the afi thing. i still love that band haha :)

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Re: let's play livejournal charades at 4:00 AM whilst a hurricane is coming to fuck you up. - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-24 01:14 pm UTC
Re: let's play livejournal charades at 4:00 AM whilst a hurricane is coming to fuck you up. - [info]xvengeancex666, 2005-10-24 04:54 pm UTC
Re: let's play livejournal charades at 4:00 AM whilst a hurricane is coming to fuck you up. - [info]moveit_moveit, 2005-10-24 05:18 pm UTC
Re: let's play livejournal charades at 4:00 AM whilst a hurricane is coming to fuck you up. - [info]sockit2darocket, 2005-10-24 07:56 pm UTC

[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-24 12:45 pm UTC (link)
but there ARE "rules", or guidelines, rather.

straight edge as it's come to be in today's society is a set of ideals that are combined to form a set of guidelines that are followed strictly. i hate to break it to you, but this isn't some kind of loosely interpreted shit you can toss around to be hip.

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[info]ryansmithxvx
2005-10-24 05:28 pm UTC (link)
it depends on what your definition of is is

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[info]ryansmithxvx
2005-10-24 05:28 pm UTC (link)
just cuz there is no rulebook doesn't mean 99% of people in the world don't recognize the same set of ideas, principles and ethics

just cuz you have 1% of the world population maybe agreeing with you, i'll line up the other 99% on my side and you'll realize that my eleventy billion backers probably means that there's something to say about sxe meaning total abstinence from substances and promiscuity.

i'm a Christian and i would die for it before breaking what i believe. that includes ever drinking alcohol for communion at a church that serves it. i will abstain because i know alcohol has 0 positive things to ever contribute to my life.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-24 06:03 pm UTC (link)
cuz isn't a word

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[info]xxjaytreasonxx
2005-10-24 05:35 pm UTC (link)
hahah
what the hell?
I don't think anyone ever said second hand smoke is unedge.
Most people with social lives aren't going to be able to avoid second hand smoke...

The difference is... you're not smoking... and if you're edge you're not going to be drinking either. I don't care who you're doing it for or for what reason.
Some religions take halucinagenic drugs as rituals in their beliefs. Some south american ritual religions take coca.
Some religions ask you to smoke merijuana.

Your religion asks you to drink.

Bottom line...
If you're drinking for any reason even if it's religions, you're not straight edge...
period.

If you can't handle that then get your priorities straight.
Obviously your religion is more important to you than labeling your self edge.
Don't call your self edge if you're not willing to commit to it.
And don't bother saying you're edge if you know you have other committments and beliefs that conflict with the lifestyle.

You want the straight edge rule book?
here it is...

ready?

Don't drink, don't smoke, don't fuck.

if you're breaking rule number one, don't bother with the other two.
You're the only one who can make that sort of decision but if you have to drink, it's one or the other.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-24 06:01 pm UTC (link)
so, would you say labels are the most important thing?

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[info]deth_awaits_you
2005-10-24 08:20 pm UTC (link)
Dude, Bubbleboy is way more edge than any of you.

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[info]emoxangst
2005-10-24 08:37 pm UTC (link)
Ian Mackaye broke edge because he hates all of you. except David, Scott, and Shane

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[info]xposimotox
2005-10-24 10:26 pm UTC (link)
That's funny, Ian never claimed edge.

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[info]emoxangst
2005-10-24 08:44 pm UTC (link)
I forgot to add something..

I see that you guys are all non-smokers... You know who else was a non-smoker??

ADOLF HITLER.

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[info]moveit_moveit
2005-10-24 08:46 pm UTC (link)
He also was a vegetarian. Obviously not one we idolize necessarily, but who the fuck cares what he did? Maybe if everyone refrained from fucking their lives up, everyone would be a lot closer to being worth something more than my pizza delivery man.

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[info]internalalchemy
2005-10-24 08:59 pm UTC (link)
Ian mean't to say, "I" dont drink, "I" don't smoke...
He didn't want to make it anyone else's deal really. and I'm sure a lot of you know that. To me, I don't want to consume alcohol,tobacco,drugs. I also beleive if you draw so many lines and over-analyze things it just makes a huge blur. I completely beleive in absyinence from sex and drugs. It doesn't mean I'm going to specifically cut it down for someone else. Being straightedge is very,very much personal. To me, its discouraging and annoying to read all of this over-analyzing and scrutinizing someone. I guess what I'm saying is...its a great lifestyle...but it deffinatley has been taken out of hand.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-24 09:08 pm UTC (link)
is absyinence part of wicca?

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what a joke.
[info]xvegansloveewe
2005-10-24 11:31 pm UTC (link)
You probably knew what people were going to say when you posted this.
If straight edge is for yourself and you "don't want people telling you what to do," do whatever you want. This isn't the straight edge confession forum. You should know what's right and what's wrong. Don't focus on the fine print. If you have a question about something, it probably means you shouldn't be doing it.

I know I'm the last one to say this, but I'm sure others would agree, that straight edge means not a drop of alcohol goes down your throat. Period.

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[info]_hexed_
2005-10-25 05:08 am UTC (link)
straight edge is total abstinence from drugs, alcohol, and promiscuous sex. thats the only rule. why is this fact so hard to grasp for so many people?

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[info]__outbreak
2005-10-26 06:30 am UTC (link)
n00bs.

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[info]auto_relocator
2005-10-26 03:29 pm UTC (link)
why are people such idiots? i hate all these kids making posts about communal wine. WINE IS WINE. it has alcohol in it. even jesus doesnt forgive you for drinking it while calling yourself edge.

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[info]sockit2darocket
2005-10-26 11:37 pm UTC (link)
what do you even know about Jesus?

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[info]xmegaxtronx
2005-10-26 05:50 pm UTC (link)
my case:

i'm sxe ...
i'm vegetarian ...
i consider myself catholic ...

i never found it hard to balance those things.
i'm not saying that (any) religion is or should be a part of any scene or straight edge scene for example ...
i try doing what feels right for me and not what someone tells me to do ...

as for sxe, things are pretty clear and simple ... no drugs, no alcohol, no smoking, no promiscuous sex ... what is so hard to understand?

p.s. christian religion isn't the only religion to hate ...

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[info]iluvpink
2005-10-26 10:31 pm UTC (link)
I think Christianity is just too "famous" for its own good. I guess I'm not surprised to see it being bashed because of all the miracles and what have you incorporated into Christianity. However, I'm still a Catholic and dislike seeing pejorative comments regarding my religion. It seems most atheists and other non-Christians will attack Christianity before any other religion, though...I guess it's just the "ludicrous" things we believe in.

It's all Jesus' fault for turning that water into wine. Gosh.

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