i. ([info]danasuperstar) wrote in [info]sxe,
@ 2005-10-17 16:37:00
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in regards to the previous post:

ahhh labels. don't you just love them. so i don't drink or smoke. never touched it in my entire life. now you're saying that i have to be all out "claiming" edge, which is bordering on obnoxiousness. i don't need to draw X's all over myself to be "straight edge." i know in my heart what i am and i don't need somebody telling me that i need to follow rules like it's some kind of clique. what are the "rules" anyway and who was given authority to enforce them in order to be straight edge? now i have to act and look a certain way? there is no president of sXe and there's no organization. what "culture"? apparently it's not just staying clean and sober, but conforming your behaviors and appearances as well. not only that, but now others feel like they have the right to tell me if i am or am not straight edge. is this a popularity contest? is this a sorority who can kick out other "members" for not drawing X's on their hands and "claiming"? absolutely ridiculous, and extremely elitist.

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[info]xmegaxtronx
2005-10-20 05:52 pm UTC (link)
it's not about any other strict rules.
i just don't think that if someone doesn't drink, smoke or whatever, is by default sxe ...
being sxe is a bit more than that. not only x's on hands or tattoos or t-shirts. but nevertheless, all those are things by which one can recognize others who share similiar interests.
:)

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[info]danasuperstar
2005-10-20 06:19 pm UTC (link)
i don't think you have to "advertise" that you are sxe to be sxe. if you want to fine but if you don't that's also ok. but thank you for not being combative towards me, like others in this forum have been.

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[info]xmegaxtronx
2005-10-21 05:27 pm UTC (link)
there is no need for me to be combative toward you or anyone else.

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[info]xi_refusex
2005-10-27 07:38 am UTC (link)
Sorry I'm so late on this, but I'm just curious...
What do you consider "advertisement" of being straight edge?
I mean, I don't announce I'm straight edge at every toss and turn, or wear clothes with straight edge slogans or words. But if someone were to ask me if I was straight edge, I would tell them yes...because I am. If someone out and out asked you if you were straight edge, would you tell them yes?

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[info]_hexed_
2005-10-20 06:32 pm UTC (link)
thats the thing though it is something different then just being clean and sober. there is a culture involved with sxe. no one is saying you have to conform to that culture there a quite a few people who don't(in this community alone), but you do have to be aware of where it came from. most have us have somewhat similar views or interests, these views and interests make us unique compared to people who are just clean.

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[info]danasuperstar
2005-10-20 06:59 pm UTC (link)
i'm fully aware of the culture and history. the point i am trying to make is that it isn't right for militant sxe to tell someone else that they aren't sxe b/c they don't agree with their level of "claiming" the scene or don't have a specific "date" that they became sxe.

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[info]xxjaytreasonxx
2005-10-21 02:31 am UTC (link)
What are you talking about?

So I'm being "militant" because I'm rational enough to see the obvious: that you can not possibly be straight edge since birth?

Look...
There are a lot of things you need to understand.
Straight edge is a CONSCIOUS effort to abstain from drugs and promiscuous sex and it is a lifelong commitment.
Anyone with an ounce of reason can easily see that an infant is not capable of making a conscious effort to abstain from drugs.
Period.
They are sober by default not by their own will.

Therefore, they're not straight edge.

I couldn't possibly say that I've been straight edge my whole life because I am now aware of the culture and the 20 some years of tradition and brotherhood and commitment that built what straight edge is today.
It wasn't till I grabbed a hold of that lifestyle and made it my own that I became straight edge.
No one can possibly be straight edge until they except that and choose for them selves to become a part of it.

You nor anyone else can clump someone into being straight edge by default just because they happen to be sober.
You're missing the whole damn picture if you're doing that.

Straight edge isn't just a label that makes it easier to tell people that "oh, I don't drink smoke or fuck."
If you honestly think that then I have to stress again that you need to do research because you're washing over something that is a serious lifestyle to many of us and saying "I am Straight Edge" should show nothing less than a strong connection to this lifestyle.

NO ONE is forcing you to be edge or to say that you are straight edge and like it or not, it's one way or the highway because you can't half ass this sort of thing.
You can't avoid taking into consideration where straight edge came from and what it is and what it means if you want to call your self edge.
Otherwise you will be misusing the term and misrepresenting an enormous group of people.

People DO take this seriously and when someone goes around using it as a simple label not putting any thought into what it means or care into what it is, it's going to rub people the wrong way.

Honestly, not very many people give a rats ass what straight edge means "to you" because most of us already know what it really means. We know our roots and know why we chose straight edge for our selves.

Claiming straight edge DOES NOT mean you have to listen to hardcore, dress like an ass, act tough or whatever other preconceived stereotype you may have.
Claiming straight edge simply means connecting to the culture, acknowledging where it came from and what it means, and making that commitment for your self.
Committing to remain true till death.
And again, it's not till you do this that you become straight edge.
If you don't want to do that, again... you don't have to be straight edge.

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(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 02:51 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xxjaytreasonxx, 2005-10-21 03:01 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]__outbreak, 2005-10-23 11:28 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-24 01:37 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ceruleanswirl, 2005-10-24 12:48 pm UTC

[info]_hexed_
2005-10-21 04:08 am UTC (link)
ok, well I think the only point they were trying to make before was that you weren't edge since birth. I don't remember the exact date I claimed it either, I just know it was 8 years ago sometime towards the end of the year. before that I was clean and sober and such but I wasn't straightedge. I believe that was the point. so before you get upset over it just understand our point of view. this is something that we hold very close to our hearts. I personally have marks on my body that will be there till the day I die. I'm not saying thats the norm or that it makes me better then you, we're both living the same lifestyle. just think before you say stuff like that and don't give people a reason to say anything back.

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[info]shanepedersen
2005-10-20 06:36 pm UTC (link)
this post is sensible, what are you doing here???

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[info]xposimotox
2005-10-20 07:10 pm UTC (link)
If you aren't edge, then why did you join the community?
I understand your point, but you're still here babbling about it.
There's a difference between being sober and being edge.
Edge is a promise to yourself that you'll never drink/smoke/whatever. Being sober is just saying you won't. You can easily just drink/smoke when you're "sober." I know alot of people DO break that promise to themselves, but they still make an attempt at it..

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[info]danasuperstar
2005-10-20 11:42 pm UTC (link)
i am absolutely 100% straight edge, especially according to your definition. i am 25 years old and have never touched a substance, and i don't ever feel the need to.

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[info]xposimotox
2005-10-21 01:29 am UTC (link)
The question is, do you claim it?

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(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 02:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xposimotox, 2005-10-21 10:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 03:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xposimotox, 2005-10-21 06:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 10:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 10:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]__outbreak, 2005-10-23 11:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-24 01:39 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]__outbreak, 2005-10-23 11:33 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-24 01:38 am UTC

[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-20 10:00 pm UTC (link)
you have no idea what you are talking about. CLAIMING means simply stating to yourself that you are straight edge. it means understanding the ideals and abiding by them. if you want to be clean, fine, be clean. edge isn't the same. it doesn't mean pushing it on other people. it's not about preaching, or being in peoples faces. it just means KNOWING your beliefs.

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[info]danasuperstar
2005-10-20 11:38 pm UTC (link)
it's not about preaching, or being in peoples faces. it just means KNOWING your beliefs.

so why are all of you jumping on my case? it seems like you're in my face to me. i know what my beliefs are. and they are the same as anyone else's who is sxe. yet i don't feel the need to be in anyone's face, be militant, or be a jerk about it, which is what you are doing.

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[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-20 11:49 pm UTC (link)
YOU put yourself here. YOU'RE insulting our knowledge. YOU'RE the one who is ignorant here.

i am not in anybody's face. and if i am, it's because they were in mine first.

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(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 02:54 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ceruleanswirl, 2005-10-21 04:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 04:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ceruleanswirl, 2005-10-21 04:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 04:33 am UTC

[info]xxjaytreasonxx
2005-10-21 02:41 am UTC (link)
No one is "Attacking" you.
Straight up... Don't ask the question if you can't handle the answer.

We're all trying to be nice and informative.
But if you aren't willing to be grateful for that and except it and learn from it and grow from there then that's your own fault and a reflection of your own ignorance.

Straight edge means ONE thing and it does not have a dozen interpretations.
If you don't know what you're talking about you can expect to be corrected.

You should be humble enough to know when you're wrong and at least for the sake of the argument take a second glance and what you know or at least think you know about straight edge.

Cause obviously by what you've been saying and the fact that you still think we walk around with "Xs" on the back of our hands; you don't know the first thing about it.

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(no subject) - [info]shanepedersen, 2005-10-21 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]xxjaytreasonxx, 2005-10-21 02:59 am UTC

[info]ceruleanswirl
2005-10-20 10:01 pm UTC (link)
this post really pisses me off. you have absolutely no idea what straight edge is, do you?

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attn: danasuperstar
[info]xxxvegan
2005-10-20 10:18 pm UTC (link)
First off you're very ignorant and i don't like you at all.

If you don't claim straight edge, you're not straight edge. Xing up is optional, just like tats or shirts etc....
Anyone can not drink/smoke/drugs/fuck, this doesn't mean they're straight edge. Straight edge is part of the hardcore community, you can only be edge if you're part of it and abstain from the above substances.

Straight edge has conviction, your choices don't.

And like i said before, i don't like you.

XXX

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Re: attn: danasuperstar
[info]thesoulenigma
2005-10-20 10:45 pm UTC (link)
weither.they.fully.understand.sXe.or.not,
they.did.make.the.choice.to.join.this.community,
so.its.our.job.to.respectfully.inform,not.hate.

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Re: attn: danasuperstar - [info]__outbreak, 2005-10-23 11:44 pm UTC
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[info]yourexscum
2005-10-20 11:05 pm UTC (link)
Believe me dude Im not trying to be a dick but who the fuck are you to say this?
Straight edge is part of the hardcore community, you can only be edge if you're part of it and abstain from the above substances.

Im sure there are tons of people out there who are still edge but dropped out of hardcore, that does not mean there edge is void. Come on dude think outside the box

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Re: attn: danasuperstar - [info]xxjaytreasonxx, 2005-10-21 02:44 am UTC
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[info]danasuperstar
2005-10-20 11:34 pm UTC (link)
you don't like me and you don't even know me. how very close-minded of you. you don't have the right to tell me if i am sxe or how long it's possible for me to have been sxe. who's ignorant?

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[info]breathofacry
2005-10-21 02:30 am UTC (link)
"straight edge is part of the hardcore community,you can only be edge if you're part of it"...i have to disagree. It's not confined to the hardcore scene.

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[info]xwithout_lifex
2005-10-21 12:29 am UTC (link)
Straight Edge is a conscious decision that is made, if you do not claim that you are Straight Edge then you are not. "Xing up" is merely something people that are Straight Edge commonly do and you could live the rest of your life as someone who is Straight Edge and never "X up"

with that said

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[info]ticktalk
2005-10-25 01:28 pm UTC (link)
you guys are worse than all the suburban white kids in the nineties that thought they were in gangs cause they saw boyz n the hood. grow the fuck up.

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