Lord Perrin ([info]lordperrin) wrote in [info]stupidpetowners,
@ 2005-12-23 13:14:00
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Gov to track / microchip animals. YOU MUST BE REGULATED!

More examples of how much the U.S. Govt. is now in bed with Animal Rights (AR) groups to trample on the rights of animal owners and breeders...(Re-printed from a wild cats list that I am on)

More information pertainint to NAIS

I am writing in order to share with you some information about the
National Animal Identification System, or NAIS. The government-
backed NAIS is a plan to monitor and track the majority of our
country's domesticated animals.
At this point in time, cats, dogs,
and household pet birds and rodents do not seem to be affected - but
all of the others do. They wish to monitor and track sheep, goats,
donkeys, rabbits, deer, alpacas, pigs, chickens, and other varieties
of poultry, and that's just a start.

This is a terrible breach of privacy, requiring that one not only
register their animals with the government, but also their location,
down to a nifty little GPS position. There is talk of tagging or
microchipping the animals, as well
. At this point in time,
participation is optional - and free - but they are slating January
2008 as the start date for when it becomes mandatory. They will also
be implementing a cost, and hefty fines for failing to comply.

This does not just apply to the commercial raisers of these animals,
but those who raise them for hobby and home consumption, as well as
those who keep them as pets. To the government, it doesn't matter if
you've got 10,000 chickens, or one pony - you must be regulated.
There is an excellent article pertaining to just what the NAIS
entails, at
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0511/S00146.htm - it sums it up
quite well.

We still have time to fight this legislation, and fight it we must.
There is a grassroots movement that has just recently been started,
and you can visit the forum at
http://stopanimalid.org/forum/index.php - we are currently in the
process of organizing volunteers to help create flyer designs that
can be posted on the website in order for everyone to distribute
them to feed stores and other locales, as well as a gathering of
information and suggestions for writing to local, state, and federal
officials. A good form letter for this purpose can also be found at
http://www.homesteadingtoday.com/showthread.php?t=102231 - it is a
good basis for starting your own letter. Feel free to add points
that are relevant to your situation, or simply to address your
concerns.

In order to defeat this legislation - or at least create an
exemption for the small farmer, hobby breeder, and pet owner - we
need to work fast. We need every hand and word that we can get. We
need YOU.

-Hannah (username HSherlock at the forum)
SnugBun Rabbitry (French Lops and Harlequins)
Lake Effect Rattery

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[info]kikayume
2005-12-23 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Is the the legislation that was passed so that they can track animals that have been in contact with each other in case, say, mad cow disease breaks out?

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 07:23 pm UTC (link)
From one of the above links.

We all know that there is no pandemic or epidemic now sweeping through the livestock population would demand such drastic measures. If so, government’s first act wouldn’t be punching an ear tag into every chicken they could catch. Any eighteen-year-old mother who knows to hand testing a forehead for fever can tell you that tagging ears to fight disease is ridiculous. No, during epidemics government agents kill the infected animals and all animals in the herd. Then they spread out and test neighbouring herds and destroy those that test positive.

IF THEY’RE NOT FIGHTING DISEASE, THEN WHY NAIS?

Follow the money. Ask, Cui bono? Who benefits?

Agribusiness lobbied the USDA to create a system to protect them from legal liability if an epidemic does break out. More, NAIS would protect agribusiness market share, forestalling a public revulsion against their product by “confirming” that only a few animals were sick, rather than not thousands. NAIS enables huge agribusiness conglomerates that concentrate thousands of animals (and so concentrate the chance for spreading diseases) to point their finger at someone else.

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[info]batcave_baby
2005-12-23 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I think this sounds like a good idea. I'm not from the US so it won't affect me but won't it help prevent animals being kept in poor conditions and such? I mean, a lot of farm animals such as chickens, cows, etc. can be kept in awful conditions. Won't this help prevent that?

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 07:23 pm UTC (link)
"won't it help prevent animals being kept in poor conditions and such?"

No.

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[info]thistlemouse
2005-12-23 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Maybe I'm missing something here, but this seems like a good thing to me too?

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[info]kikayume
2005-12-23 07:13 pm UTC (link)
I think they're talking about the government "spying" on people via the microchips in their animals... but I find that highly unlikely. Nothing on the NAIS website mentions anything at all about a GPS system, but only a microchip (like what you'd put in your cat or dog) that would be scanned each time the animal changed location.

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[info]wannablessedbe
2005-12-23 07:13 pm UTC (link)
I don't really see the bad here..except that the opposing politicians will cry "privacy rights" and such

Wouldn't it help when an animal gets lost though? Or when diseases break out?

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 07:28 pm UTC (link)
From one of the above links.

We all know that there is no pandemic or epidemic now sweeping through the livestock population would demand such drastic measures. If so, government’s first act wouldn’t be punching an ear tag into every chicken they could catch. Any eighteen-year-old mother who knows to hand test a forehead for fever can tell you that tagging ears to fight disease is ridiculous. No, during epidemics government agents kill the infected animals and all animals in the herd. Then they spread out and test neighbouring herds and destroy those that test positive.

IF THEY’RE NOT FIGHTING DISEASE, THEN WHY NAIS?

Follow the money. Ask, Cui bono? Who benefits?

Agribusiness lobbied the USDA to create a system to protect them from legal liability if an epidemic does break out. More, NAIS would protect agribusiness market share, forestalling a public revulsion against their product by “confirming” that only a few animals were sick, rather than not thousands. NAIS enables huge agribusiness conglomerates that concentrate thousands of animals (and so concentrate the chance for spreading diseases) to point their finger at someone else.

To protect themselves these large corporations will effectively to put small farmers out of business. Not only the program costs (which fall on the farmer), but also the threat of fines and jail time for not complying will drive small farmers off the land. At the same time, NAIS sets up the same corporations as the only entities granted the ‘privilege’ to raise animals, since they, of course are the only ones who can be trusted to follow such a plan to protect the “national herd.”


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[info]teadragon
2005-12-23 07:14 pm UTC (link)
I think it may actually be a good idea myself.

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 07:30 pm UTC (link)
The government will fine you, put you in jail, or seize your animals for raising animals without registering them with the government -- “raising animals without a licence,” I reckon they’ll call it. That’s right, 6,500 years of historical right will be abolished. From now on, you’ll be breaking the law for being a farmer without government permission.

What’s more, “The Department does not plan to issue ‘alerts’ to inform livestock owners of the requirements until April 2007, only eight months prior to the date when it will be mandatory to submit the GPS co-ordinates of one’s home and the RFID of one’s animal[s] to the USDA database.”

Who will pay for NAIS? You will. It does not favour the small farmer, but corporations with huge budgets. These conglomerates get to write off government registration fees, etc., but the write off means almost nothing to small farmers, who must first come up with the money to comply. The NAIS is free now, but will not be in the future. On their website, the NAIS states, “Even with public funding, there will be costs to producers.” There’s a time tax, too. States, tribes, producers, managers of livestock shows and events, market operators, processing plants, service providers and third parties will all have to provide labour for this system.

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[info]seiresea
2005-12-23 07:56 pm UTC (link)
actually since I think that most people cannot raise themselves without a license this seems to make some sense. You seem more concerned with the "private citizen" aspect of it.

I think any animal in the US should be tracked and kept aware of. For vaccination purposes and other reasons it could help track disease such as foot and mouth disease.

I also think it would make more people responsible for their pets. If you have to register it as yours to have it, I doubt you would abuse it or neglect it and when they come to haul your ass away you wouldn't be able to deny that the animal was yours for a certain period of time. Granted there would be loopholes, but there wouldn't be "I've had it for 2 weeks! I found him like that!" argument.

I personally don't believe people are held accountable enough for the care of their animals. Just because its yours doesn't mean you are allowed to treat it anyway you like.

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[info]ashi_moto
2005-12-23 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I'd like to know why a guy who supports humans raping animals is in a community dedicated to mocking stupid pet owners. You're the worst kind there is.

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[info]rhinecat
2005-12-23 08:07 pm UTC (link)
This will actually be really helpful in establishing ownership rights, which is the backbone of most of capitalism. Clear ownership of an animal will do nothing but help with owner accountability (i.e. if an animal is harmed, the owner can be held responsible for the harm that came to it) and with disputes over whose pet or livestock a given animal is (ownership can be clearly changed and determined). There's no mention of GPS tracking, which costs a shitload and is wholly impractical, which I think would indeed be a violation of privacy.

I think, in fact, that this has NOTHING to do with animal rights, as most ARAs would object to the very idea of owning an animal, nevermind registered ownership records.

While it would, in fact, hurt the small farmer financially, hopefully there will be something in place to defray the costs of microchipping animals for non-corporate farmers. Additionally, there is no set decision on whether this idea will require anything beyond written registration, so the microchip part may not even come into play.

Between the paranoia about "tracking" and the "cui bono" reasoning, I'm tempted to write this off as a conspiracy theory intended to incite panic among exotic animal owners and spur a wave of anti-government sentiment among them.

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[info]rhinecat
2005-12-23 08:24 pm UTC (link)
And before the OP brings this up, I'd like to say that in a general sense, I'm against over-regulation of personal liberties (I boycott Sony for their root kit nonsense, I'm waiting for the RIAA to roll over and die already, I don't support RFID chips in prisoners, etc.), there are instances in which regulation protects people more than it infringes on their rights. This is one of them, because of the benefits given in transferring and protecting ownership.

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[info]electra310
2005-12-23 08:51 pm UTC (link)
Oh no, you'll need a permit to breed animals, and you'll have to take them to the vet to get chipped? Argh, Big Brother tramples on my liberty to raise my animals as I see fit, once again. What's next, not allowing me to breed my doodledoodle to get cyoote puppies, just because I haven't got the money to take them to the vet? There must be revolution!

::Puts on foil hat, /sarcasm::

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[info]almightyhat
2005-12-23 10:48 pm UTC (link)
Ohh, cute puppies, not coyote puppes. With some byb's grasps on basic genetics, it could have gone either way.

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[info]nmgirl98
2005-12-23 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Look - what's the problem? All animals should be tracked...ESPECIALLY livestock. If it makes it easier to track them down when there is a problem with the feed their fed or the animals in general, I would rather have an easy way for the government to track them down then to put every single person at risk of eating bad/tainted food.

As kikayume said, with the way herds are sold and split, its hard to keep track of where every single animal goes. If it will save cattle ranchers money by not having to destroy an entire herd of 'possibly contaiminated' cows and so on, then I'm all for it.

I'm still trying to figure out just how this infringes on someone's rights. If ya got nothin' to hide, then why be nervous?

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 08:58 pm UTC (link)
"If ya got nothin' to hide, then why be nervous?"

Government wants to chip you. ya got nothin' to hide, then why be nervous?

Government wants to search your house. ya got nothin' to hide, then why be nervous?

Government wants to watch your web browsing habits. ya got nothin' to hide, then why be nervous?


This attitude would have our founding fathers rolling over in their graves.

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(no subject) - [info]nmgirl98, 2005-12-23 09:12 pm UTC
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[info]peachthief
2005-12-23 09:37 pm UTC (link)
If the poster had read the book "Fast Food Nation", he might be aware of the SEVERE limitations of government livestock inspectors. There are far too few of them to do their job adequately, and both the book's author and the inspectors themselves state that a disease epidemic could sweep the nation's livestock at any time. If registering and microchiping makes disease tracking easier, then I'm all for it.

As for hobby breeders rights being infringed upon? I say INFRINGE AWAY. It's not like they're making model trains here, they're making living breathing creatures usually without any regard to their health and safety. Hobby breeding should be flat out illegal, but barring that, anything that makes it more difficult is o.k. in my book.

As an animal control officer, I can't tell you how many times people deny ownership of an animal when there's an issue. Microchipping takes that ability away from these morons - and that's o.k. in my book too.

The OP keeps repeating his statements about big brother, and how the government is going to be breaking down our doors which is a reactionary fantasy.

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 10:09 pm UTC (link)
First off, I HAVE read Fast Food nation. It was an excellent and throughly disturbing read. "If registering and microchiping makes disease tracking easier, then I'm all for it." That is what is in contention. many people, myself included, see it as pretty obvious that this was not the reason for this legislation being passed and that it will not help in these cases in the slightest.

"The OP keeps repeating his statements about big brother, and how the government is going to be breaking down our doors which is a reactionary fantasy."

20 years ago, people would have said that having microchips in a living being that can transmit their location at all times would be a "reactionary fantasy". Elsewhere in this thread some idiot sais that she'd be perfectly ok with them microchipping humans, which Im sure is where this is all heading.

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[info]waterdragon
2005-12-23 10:03 pm UTC (link)
What I'd honestly love to know, is how is these chips going to be used any differently from a social security number?

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 10:10 pm UTC (link)
Is your social security number used to track your location from day to day?

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[info]almightyhat
2005-12-23 10:18 pm UTC (link)
I'll add one more voice to the chorus of 'Actually, I think this is a grand idea.'

Chipped herds? At last, an end to cattle rustling! Also an effective way to track potential future outbreaks of disease, and an ironclad method of determining an owner's property-- one hell of a lot more humane than branding.

Chipped pets? Great! That means when a dog is allowed to roam the neighborhood, it can be easily determined who the dog belongs to. When a puppy slips its collar, it can be identified. When an indoor-outdoor cat is stolen and sold to a laboratory, the chip will monitor that movement, and its deactivation or lack of movement should be a pretty good indicator of the theif's location. Backyard breeders thwarted? Abso-fucking-lutely fabulous.

Oh, and a record of how many pets an individual has owned and how long they've lived? Grand! Also whether or not someone is keeping animals as pets or a food source!

I'm sorry, but you've just told us that something most of us have wished would happen for years is in the works, and you expect us to be pissed off because the government-- or anyone with the right kind of scanner-- can tell who a dog, cat, horse, cow, sheep, chicken, snake, lizard, parrot, or ferret belongs to, where it has moved, what other regulated animals it has come in contact with, what its medical records are?

Sounds like a fucking godsend to me.

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-23 10:23 pm UTC (link)
"Oh, and a record of how many pets an individual has owned and how long they've lived? Grand! "

Damn. Fucking. Frightening.

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(no subject) - [info]rhinecat, 2005-12-23 10:25 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]almightyhat, 2005-12-24 10:46 am UTC
I think you're overreacting.
[info]mands_leanan
2005-12-23 10:36 pm UTC (link)
Wait a minute, I was thinking about getting my horse microchipped, and now the government wants to do it for free, for a limited time? Sounds like a good deal.

(And you bet your sweet ass that if he's not in his stall or field, then I want to where the hell he is.)

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Re: I think you're overreacting.
[info]mands_leanan
2005-12-23 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Durr, *then I want to -know- where the hell he is. (Somehow I know my inability to proof is his fault.)

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[info]lomaprieta
2005-12-23 10:41 pm UTC (link)
1) Troll.

2) Ear-tagging chickens, lollerskates.

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[info]labluething
2005-12-23 10:50 pm UTC (link)
Tinfoil hat! Tinfoil hat!

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[info]teadragon
2005-12-23 11:25 pm UTC (link)
*snorts her drink* XD

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[info]__roflcopter
2005-12-23 11:02 pm UTC (link)
this is a great idea. horses that are stolen may be able to be returned now before sending them to slaughter, if people have to register their puppies they breed, maybe less poorly bred puppies. i like this idea.

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[info]nmgirl98
2005-12-23 11:33 pm UTC (link)
Just a side note...I did a quick read through the other comms you x-posted to and I have to say that it's 'liberals' like you that give us actual, 'normal' liberals a bad name. *sigh*

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[info]lordperrin
2005-12-24 12:05 am UTC (link)
I am in no way a liberal. Especaily if the socialism sentiment I've seen in this community is an indication of where liberalism is going these days.

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[info]therikkster
2005-12-24 12:19 am UTC (link)
...Um.

Hey? My cat, is chipped.

It's required in Australia where I live.

And you know what? It means that I don't have to worry if my cat gets out, because every vet and pound knows to scan.

And I have yet to have any shady men knock on my doors.

So i'm all for it!

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[info]mistressmelissa
2005-12-24 09:20 am UTC (link)
Very fine example.

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[info]lucidandawake
2005-12-24 12:25 am UTC (link)
Wait. If they are forcing us to do it, is it gonna be free?

Cuz if the government wants to hand out free microchips to all the pets in the US...Big Brother, I think I love ya ;)

But for serious, c'mon now. Tinfoil Hat. Tis no worse than the videocameras that Google has out there....Or wait, should I be fighting those too? O_o

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[info]conscience
2005-12-24 02:00 am UTC (link)
psssst, we are ALL watching yoooooooooooooooooooooooooou.
;)

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[info]conscience
2005-12-24 02:00 am UTC (link)
personally, I am seeing nothing bad here, really.
What it sounds like is a larger scale of what we do here in FL...Animal Services (animal control) "licenses" animals to owners through rabies tags.

On Guantanamo Bay NAS, we also did this (way before the terrorist holding camps, mind you, it used to be a nice family place, believe me)...if you have a pet, you MUST have it micro-chipped and info put into the data sources there at the Vet clinic. Pet lost? We can scan strays and give you a ring if we find it. You leave animal behind instead of paying the $40 to wherever you are going for your next duty station, the military slams you for animal neglect AND you pay all fees incurred for your pet's wellbeing while "you were out".

I wouldnt mind it, honestly, and hey, great way to keep people from having more than they can handle...people who have to pay for registration may think a tad more before "collecting".

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[info]moebius8
2005-12-24 06:07 am UTC (link)
waaaaahhhh now i can't keep 400 cats in my basement

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[info]corpse_candle
2005-12-24 08:13 pm UTC (link)
Sounds like a good idea to me...

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[info]corpse_candle
2005-12-24 08:17 pm UTC (link)
In fact maybe they should add tattooing/branding/freezemarking into the scheme so there is a visible form of ID too.

Also, it is a legal requirement for livestock such as pigs,sheep,cattle,goats to be tracked, here in the UK, whether they are a farm animal or not.

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[info]samasutra
2005-12-26 01:30 am UTC (link)
Am I the only one finding this discussion difficult to take seriously because 'omg what if teh fuzz comes and discovers all these nasty acts of cruelty ive been doign to my beautiful (insert species of choice)'.

0_o

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[info]foxx
2005-12-26 08:49 pm UTC (link)
No, you're not. Especially since they're an admitted dogfucker.

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