sweetheart58 ([info]sweetheart58) wrote in [info]stars___,
@ 2007-08-13 12:26:00
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Torq's Blog.
Has everyone taken a quick look at Torq's blog over on myspace?

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Monday, August 13, 2007

TORQ’S BLOG
Current mood: worried

hi guys!
i thought since every undergraduate geek living in a state of imposed virginity (i.e. Ryan Numballs) is allowed to effect the the critical discourse in this hellish age we call "now", i too would get in on the moronic inferno and have a bit of a go at blogging myself. I'll try to be trite, smarmy and reductive, dismissive, self congratulatory and smug, ill informed, ignorant and overly simplistic. These characteristics seem compulsory in the blogging world and, like all my fellow internet critics, i just want to be part of the club! so here's a list of arbitrary "truths" and put downs none of which I have any right to express. Listen up! It's important that when the world's ending we distract ourselves form anything real as much as possible! I'm just doing my bit......sorry about all that art we created, we realize now that to speak about life and love and death and sex and NOT stare up our own asses in a state of ironic detachment while doing it was wrong of us. We'll try better next time to create work which is NOTHING but a mirror image of ourselves ten pounds lighter. Want a list of half truths, meaningless criticism and blatant slander? I feel one coming on.....

1. Barricade, one of the songs on our new album "in our bedroom trying to figure what the difference is between 7.4 and 7.5" is about two fascist soccer hooligans who can only top a night of beating old people senseless by having rough anal sex and sniffing glue. I know, I know, figuring that out would require LISTENING to the lyrics which is hard to do when, like Mr. Dumballs, you are simultaneously trying to write a review, masturbate to a picture of St. Vincent and correct some terrible lie about you in your wikipedia entry. You know what a reviewer for Pitchfork makes? 40 bucks a review. You know what they should make? 38.50.....

2. I was an actor once. So was Ronald Reagan. Hitler was a painter. And i understand Sufjan Stevens is into monster truck maintenance. These are the most important things you can possibly know about a person; what they did for laughs when they were 14. Did you know i played henry the fifth? i got bad reviews for that too.....

3.The world is ending. 30 million people are displaced from their homes in India and pakistan, forced out by floods caused by all of US. Meanwhile in Africa armies of children roam the countryside murdering babies and raping old women. Pople are so hungry they slice open bottles of rat poison and eat it. And here at home, children with every advantage in life spend their days discussing the relative merits of Deerhoof's new record. Thanks kids for being as solipsistic, self preening and fucked up as your parents. WE ALL DESERVE WHAT WE'VE GOT COMING TO US.

4. Art is dead. there is only you, staring at you in the mirror, wondering how to get "the world" to notice that YOU are all that matters....there i am, do you see me? i am doing it too.....i'm just better at it 'cause i have an indie band and a myspace page.

5.my best friends' father passed away 2 days ago. He was a journalist and writer, a joker and a thinker, a man who traveled the world being interested in other people, and helping them when he felt he could. In his long life he was an agitator and a mediator, a father and a friend, a radical and peacemaker. He raised a beautiful child all alone and showed her how to live in beauty. He fought hard and he played hard. He was a real fucking gentleman and a good guy to laugh with.Never once in his life did he ever even consider doing something so innately useless as being a critic. In fact, he despised them. He was too busy being human to stop and piss on other people's visions; I'm going to give him a 9.7......but don't expect me to be that easy on you......

love and hate,
torq (the annoying one from "the stars")



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[info]your_downfall
2007-08-13 04:57 pm UTC (link)
I don't know, I agree with pretty much everything he says here.

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[info]urbanfabric
2007-08-13 05:51 pm UTC (link)
i agree with torq as well. there's a lot of sarcasm but i suppose that's his nature. he hit the nail on the head when it comes to critics.

more and more, music and art critics use their reviews as a soapbox to show off their ironic wit and immense knowledge while doing nothing to encourage a discourse about the value of the art that they are discussing.

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[info]farewelltolegs
2007-08-13 06:41 pm UTC (link)
eh, seems like he's just upset about a sub par review for a sub par album.
honestly i was expecting a lot lower of a rating, due to its superpolished sound and all-around not-as-good-as-setyourselfonfire-ness. i was not a fan of this album, i was expecting great things from these guys, but maybe set yourself on fire was just a happy accident.
whatever, man, i'd be happy if i made an album and it got a 7.4 on pitchfork.
i'd understand this blog more if it was a reaction to the review for "do you trust your friends?"
which, at least, had some good tracks.

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[info]m_valentine
2007-08-13 07:57 pm UTC (link)
What a baby.

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[info]unevieboheme
2007-08-13 08:04 pm UTC (link)
I enjoyed reading this a little too much.

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[info]respectmyright
2007-08-13 08:17 pm UTC (link)
I love that man. Every word of it was exactly what I'd expect from him and I applaud all of it.

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[info]sweetheart58
2007-08-14 03:29 am UTC (link)
If you love Torquil so much, why don't you MARRY him?!

Oh wait; that's completely wasted on you.

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[info]respectmyright
2007-08-14 05:33 am UTC (link)
HA! Absolutely. ;)

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[info]farahozati
2008-07-11 03:50 am UTC (link)
And as I applauded, I’d tell him thanks. I’d say, ‘Thank you for teaching me about what’s important in life.

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[info]jacksloadedgun
2007-08-13 11:10 pm UTC (link)
nice of him to stand up to pitchfork.. serious all those reviewers need to get their heads out of their asses. I mean honestly when it comes to pitchfork if it's not radiohead, it sucks.

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[info]sweetheart58
2007-08-14 03:09 am UTC (link)
Doesn't everyone stand up to Pitchfork these days? It's to the point where a horrible review is better publicity than a glowing one; take that for irony.

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[info]kelleynicole
2007-08-14 01:13 am UTC (link)
Torq has a right to say whatever he wants of course, and most of what he said I agree with, BUT I really think he came across as a little bitch writing that. I mean, "Numballs"/"Dumballs"? Is he ten years old now?

I know Pitchfork comes across way too douche-y in a lot of their reviews and they rub a lot of people the wrong way, but get over it. Just getting mentioned on that site helps bands a shitload.

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[info]jade_sage
2007-08-14 05:57 am UTC (link)
I'll probably get lambasted for this, but getting a "poor" review on Pitchfork and then complaining about it on Myspace equates to rather immature behavior on Torq's part.

Admittedly, I haven't read the review, but surely everyone knows that you cannot please everyone, especially those who claim to be "critics" of their music.

In other news, Torq is an adorably tiny man. I love him.

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[info]respectmyright
2007-08-14 06:22 am UTC (link)
I think Torq was complaining about the general idea of criticism more than simply reacting to a "poor review". (The review wasn't even a bad one; it was just ridiculous in a lot of ways, IMO, and I guess Torq agrees with me on that one.) Yes, probably not the best time to take on that subject, but he has talked about all of this before in various interviews and has been saying for years that he thinks critics have their heads up their own self-important asses most of the time and that he "doesn't want to sound like a Pollyanna", but thinks people should write about what they love instead of trying to out-snark each other with witticisms about art they don't love.

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[info]jade_sage
2007-08-14 06:28 am UTC (link)
On that point I completely agree. I mainly hadn't read the Pitchfork review because the one time I wandered over to the site I was struck with how pretenious it was!

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[info]_go_ahead_
2007-08-14 07:53 am UTC (link)
i masturbate to feist and st. vincent at the same time.

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[info]snowlikethat
2007-08-14 04:55 pm UTC (link)
I love him.

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[info]kkatee
2007-08-15 12:09 am UTC (link)
that review was pretty ridiculous but the blog was kinda savage too. funny though.

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[info]lushlush
2007-08-15 02:41 am UTC (link)
Well, ad hominem begets ad hominem, I suppose.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-23 11:23 am UTC (link)
Christ, what the fuck was that? Torq is an idiot. That review was actually a lot better than it should have been, I think. When I originally saw that review, I was amazed that they didn't tear it apart, seeing as to how it's nowhere near as good as SYOF and there is barely a track on there that memorable at all. And anyway, no matter what the review said, it's a fucking review! You're in a band, you should expect to get reviewed, and not always favorably. His whole attitude that if someone's gonna be a critic, they should only write positive things is just absolutely fucking ridiculous.

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(Anonymous)
2007-09-30 08:31 am UTC (link)
I have to wonder if Torq reads Rolling Thunder, a zine put out by the anarchist collective Crimethinc (wouldn't surprise me considering his words on his politics before), which had a similar article about criticism, and about how being a snarky asshole doesn't benefit anyone.

The reality is that critics have always been, to a certain extent, frustrated artists in whatever area they're attempting to criticize. The few areas of art that have managed to get around this are those areas where critics have managed to wholly separate themselves from the art they criticize. English lit is a perfect example, and in fact, one of the ways english lit crit got out of the rut of being nothing but wanna be witty wankers trying to out do each other is by people simply talking about what they wanted to talk about. You're not going to read articles in English lit journals about authors that the critic despises (though they might find fault with certain works or have some legitimate criticism of their skill).

As for the album, having just gotten it, I do have to say its stripped down compared to Set Yourself on Fire, and reminds me of the earlier stuff off of Heart and pre-Millan. Hell, it might be even more primitive than some of those albums. I don't think of that so much as a bad thing, as the album definetly propels itself forward in a kind of way that SYOF simply doesn't (it also misses however some of the sheer haunting moments of said album with the exception of Personal). Either way, its a solid, at times brilliant album, thats on par with their previous works.

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(Anonymous)
2007-10-24 04:48 pm UTC (link)
I know I'm replying to this months later, but fuck it.

First and foremost, that was whining. I love this band, I liked this album when I saw it live, I find it remarkably unenjoyable on the record. It received a negative review for two clear reasons, one is that it isn't that good, two is because they had released a great album three years before. Expectation is the mother of discontent.

The second part is that he's right--of course he's fucking right. Art is dead and will remain dead as long as people who play the political game to get their trash noticed and called art. That's what 90% of modern art is, convincing other people that what your doing is actually art and not just some stupid idea that should have been dragged behind a shack and shot long before it came to actual implementation.

Art criticism is, fundamentally, the biggest problem in this equation. Fortunately, most people really don't give a flying fuck what critics think when it comes to music. They formulate their opinions on their own if it's a band they already like, or they take their friends recommendations.

Another pretension is that of the activist who thinks everyone should be activists. Yeah, kids are raping and starving all the way across Africa. Wars are being fought for no good reason. People are being affected by major natural disasters. These are all horrible things, but in our comfortable seat and our ivory tower, we have three things we can do about this:
1. Do whatever we can to solve the problems.
- This is fucking impossible. You need billions of dollars and the resources of a small nation to do anything about any of these problems, and chances are you're just going to make things worse, not fix anything.
2. Do whatever we can to help people affected by the problem.
- See #1.
3. Educate everyone around us about the problem, bitch about the problem, come up with armchair solutions about the problem, donate piddly amounts of money and have bake sales that will go to nonprofits that will instead use that money elsewhere on a problem that you don't likely care about. In the end, do nothing about the problem but feel superior because you devoted a bunch of time to it while accomplishing absolutely nothing.
4. Live your life the best you can, and help people in your local community when you can.
5. Be in a massively popular band, write a lot of songs about fucking, and then whine on myspace.

Unless Torq was attempting to provide the typical hipster ironic myspace blog post, this whole rant was 100% fail, otherwise it was 50% fail. It's not even funny.

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[info]encyclops
2007-12-20 12:51 am UTC (link)
Man, I'd hate to see how he would have reacted to a 4.7.

I didn't like Set Yourself On Fire, frankly, so my interest in Stars has waned considerably since then. But even if it hadn't, reading this rant would really have soured my desire to buy the record. Is he really saying that being interested in and spending maybe an hour writing about a record is some kind of overprivileged, myopic response to the problems of the world? What do you call spending a year or whatever writing and recording the record? How many of these wandering African rapists heard this album and zipped up their pants?

The review was mostly positive, but he did call Torq a "ham" and maybe that's what set him off. I can't really blame him for that, but this kind of reaction is just proving the point.

There's a ton of bullshit flying around Pitchfork, no doubt. But they perform a valuable function, which is to listen to things you haven't bought yet and give you some idea of what they sound like. Sometimes you can gauge whether you'd like it or not based on the review...for example, if certain reviewers hate a record I can be pretty sure I'll love it and vice versa. At the root of it, though, criticism is a useful consumer service, and far more worthwhile for those of us who buy and enjoy music than a blog entry where a grown man uses "virgin" as an insult.

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[info]mrliberalmedia
2007-12-27 01:52 pm UTC (link)
Wikipedia, you link me to such hilarious nihilism-offs.

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(Anonymous)
2008-04-07 07:43 pm UTC (link)
Replying because I came here off Wikipedia as well.

Sounds like Mr. Campbell is just a touch insecure about his sexuality.

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[info]matthewallan
2008-05-18 01:58 am UTC (link)
art is subjective. someone doesn't like your record?! oh no!

fuck, i work for a newspaper. i gave set yourself on fire a 5 star review, and bedroom a 1 star. does it mean he should attack me personally? no, it means i didn't like the album. mind you, i didn't call him a "ham", and perhaps that was his issue. personal attacks on writers though, are as low as personal attacks on musicians.

the fact of the matter is that, when someone listens to a record, they will either like it or they won't. if torq made art for EVERYONE to love, then isn't he worse off than paris fucking hilton, who made an album for herself, just so that she could "hear my song when i'm in the club". it's that fucking drastic here, folks. there are over 6 billion people in the world, and less than 300,000 bought your most successful album. ultimately, if you gave a shit about what others worried about, why aren't you trying to figure why 5.5 billion people haven't even heard of your band?

if he's so concerned with the death of art, why is he trying so hard to create/defend his own? fuck.

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Torq's Rant
(Anonymous)
2008-05-21 05:01 pm UTC (link)
This Torq guy seems a little too sensitive. I mean, where was he before the review was made? Didn't he care about all the other thousands of bands who are being reviewed every single day? And what if Pitchfork had given him a better score, would he still have made this rant? I'm not so sure.

Personally, I use review sites like Pitchfork to get a general idea of what a cd is all about, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Usually the reviewers do a pretty good job. But I certainly won't give up on a cd put out by an interesting-sounding band like Stars, just because they got a mediocre "score". Torq needs to relax.

One other thing: the last thing I need is to listen to a MUSICIAN reminding me of all the poor & starving people in the world. In terms of global inequality, is this musician really any better than a guy who writes music reviews for a website? I don't think so. Why don't you put down your bong, quit your band, and join the Peace Corps or something? Until Torq is willing to do that, I really don't need him reminding me that there are starving people in Africa.

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(Anonymous)
2008-05-26 07:01 am UTC (link)
Reading this makes me very sad that M. Night Shyamalan doesn't have a myspace.

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(Anonymous)
2009-01-07 01:12 pm UTC (link)
i love this album. what's with all the hating?
torq's blog is pretty amusing. i think he should be able to say whatever he likes especially if he feels his music has been attacked. the pitchfork review was pretty harsh & in return received a harsh response. if you don't want to hear what he has to say, don't read his blogs.
chin up torq, i think you guys are ace.
& also thank-you for clearing up the meaning behind 'barricade'.
i'm embarrassed to say i wasn't entirely sure of its meaning either.
keep the tunes coming.
- amy.

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