There is a huge difference between an epilogue and the ending of the book.

The epilogue in this case is what happened after the story told in DH to some of the characters.

The ending...the final confrontation...is a different chapter.

I know...I wasn't questioning what an epilogue was. I was saying that it's a pretty ridiculous thing to leave us with if the person who posted this has the whole book.

Yeah, I mean for all we know. Harry might be comatosed at st mungos right after the battle and then the epilogue is set 19 yrs later when all is well.

<.<
>.>

Sorry it's real and OBHWTF totally happens. I think I'm one of the few people who really likes the epilogue.
Harry's greatest desire has always been to have a family, and I know I'm a huge sap, but I think it's great that he can have that.

Ugh. That might have made me vomit. I hope not. Its war...come on people. :/

I sure hope it ain't true. Then again, JKR is more than capable of writing shit - HBP comes to mind.

Well, I suppose that's the root of our disagreement because I thought HBP is probably the strongest book in the series (maybe tied with PoA and GoF).

I'm quite sure I'm not the only one.

An elaborate foiler? Possible. Do I think it is, not really.

It's got to be fake. I think they were just deleted because, as you said, this is the LAST book. They're probably deleting everything just to keep us guessing. They wouldn't delete ONLY the one true spoiler on the internet, knowing that millions of us have already seen it. I dunno, I can't even think clearly right now.

I've been here: http://talk.portkey.org/index.php?showtopic=24495 seriously all day, and I'm pretty much 95% positive that it's fake. Plus, it DID originate on 4chan, and even if the Snape Kills Dumbledore spoiler was first posted on that site, that doesn't automatically mean that this is real, too. Besides, the pixels give it away. It's ONLY pixelated around the words, and the pixels aroun the stars form a PERFECT square. Somebody took a photo of a book, saved it, and the pixels were uniform, not just around the words. Not to mention the grammatical errors, and 'Teddy Lupie.' No way it's real.

It can't be D:

Hey, bb. I totally agree with you. Portkey is FTW, btw.

I hate the epilogue and want it to be fake, but I love Draco and Snape so much that I want their non-evilness (and Draco's aliveness!) to be real. So part of me is hoping that its real too :-/

I wish I could believe it is fake, but after the total piece of shit that HBP was I think it's been proved that J.K can in fact produce this kind of crap.

This epilogue fits in perfectly with the corny and cheese infested crap!fest that was HBP.

That, my friend, is an unfortunately true fact. HBP was a 16-year-old fanfic fest.

I can't seem to find a copy of said epilogue anywhere that doesn't make me register (either that, or I'm a member of sites that "discourage" spoilers). Anyone care to share what alleged ending is? :)

Harry and Ginny have 3 kids: James Potter, Lily Potter, and Albus Severus Potter

Ron and Hermione have 2 kids: Rose and Hugo

Neville becomes Herbology professor

Lupin and Tonks have a child, but it's assumed they're dead because their kid has supper with the Potters 4 nights a week. His name is Teddy Lupin

Draco has a son named Scorpius


The part that's hardest for me to believe is Albus Severus Potter. JKR often talks about how horrible and mean Snape is. I doubt she'll make Harry love him that much, even if he does die for the cause. No matter what happens, Snape was always a jerk to Harry.

I've been praying that.

Question: If the alleged epilogue contained things some people wanted to see (evil Snape; no Lupin/Tonks; no OBHWF; "rocks fall, everyone dies" ending) would there be so many cries of "Hey, it's fake"? I don't think so, but that's just me.

Oh well, it just makes everything oh so more interesting for me. Can't wait to see the fall out if it really is true.

I can only speak for myself, but I know that I personally would not be freaking out over this even if things I did not want to happen happened, but were at least written well enough that I could accept it as canon. This supposed epilogue? Is a crappy piece of unoriginal, disgustingly happy rubbish. I've honestly seen fanfiction with authors as young as 13 that were written better than this, way back in the pre-HBP days. That's the reason I can't take HBP seriously. Almost everything I wanted to happen did not happen. In fact, the things I did not want to happen happened, and I hated it, not because of the actual events in question, but because it wasn't even written well. So. That's my problem with these. It's not so much the content, but the delivery and how inappropriate an end to the series it feels.

"We haven't heard a word from JKR or the publishing company about this epilogue's validity."

That's true. But just for the record, a 1) YouTube video which devulged in the contents of the alleged epilogue was deleted by YouTube on behalf of Bloomsbury Publishing. A 2) flickr photostream hosting the four photos was deleted by request of "Devereux Chatillon on behalf of JK Rowling" because of "infringement." This LJ post 3) http://simmysim.livejournal.com/471641.html has recieved a cease and desist notice.

That doesn't mean that these leaks ARE in fact valid. But it does mean they're being looked at, and possibly seriously.

Maybe it's part of JKR's big plan. I mean, this is the last time she can toy with the fans.

I really don't think this is a shipping thing for the most part. People get it. R/Hr and H/G; it's not as if anyone in this fandom is going to be completely shocked if that's the way it ends up. They have hope that it won't, and that is not too bad of a thing to me. I personally want Harry to have a nice ending with Ginny, but this didn't give me enough answers. It felt like someone picked some random characters and details and forced them in there.

I would like to add that mentioning Fabian is NOT at all a big deal. It is not some "end all confirmation" of the spoilers like people think. If you will remember back to just a little while ago, we had some really convincing, elaborate spoilers that involved characters I don't even remember. That person had obviously done their homework. This is the last HP book, and HP fans are crazyyyyyyyyyyyy frankly. Do you really expect anything that isn't insanely convincing, except from random trolls who no one believes for a second?

On the other hand, the typos don't mean that it's a fake. Fug, anyone?

On the other other hand, the Malfoys name their children after influential, famous leaders. The Blacks name their children after constellations and other astronomical things. I have complete faith that Jo realizes this. Draco's name falls into both categories because his mother is a Black, but HE is still a Malfoy. IMO, Draco would want to continue the Malfoy family tradition regardless of his feelings about his father or whatever. Jo is obviously aware of the name thing, but it could just be a slight mix up on her part. Or maybe she has some fondness for scorpions. Who knows?

The girl whose source has confirmed this also said that Ron gets kidnapped by Voldemort who is apparently an H/Hr shipper. Sounds quite reliable to me, except not really. I would say that we can just about rule that out. I have not seen a single confirmation from a reliable source. If there is one, could someone point me to it? I am going to wait until there is sufficient evidence beyond "It looks real!" and "It looks fake!" to actually make up my mind.

Last but not least, all shipping preferences aside, that is a very nice icon. I like it. :)

I kind of want to make a "Voldemort ships H/Hr" icon now, haha.

I think the line that is make or break is Harry saying Snape was "the bravest man he ever knew." Either this book so rocks or that is the fakest thing I've ever seen.

We come full circle and Harry get's his heart's desire. Vomitous perhaps but I can see her doing that.

And the epilogue is easy to spread because it's short and it was at the end. The person didn't have to dig for it. So, the only spoiler truly gleaned is that Harry lives.

I'm not a Snape fan, but I do think he is rather brave. Wherever his loyalties lie, all that double-crossing had to take some serious courage.

I agree completely.

JKR is probably having a huge party right now.

D;

My bet is that the scans are real, but maybe that's just wishful thinking because I liked what I read. Now that I spend most of my time at work and have a rather high stress job, I would much rather read a cheesy happy ending than a well written sad ending. And if this truly is going to be the last book, I don't have a problem with giving the names of the kids and such. If we were going to get a book 8, it might be cheesy but as this is the last, I think it's nice to have a look at the future. =)

As for the deleting, well, I don't think that's an indication of whether it's real at all. I would bet that the people sending the letters/e-mails requesting removal of scans probably have no idea if it's real themselves.

I do think the scans are real because I've seen them on another site online and they look like it was done on a flatbed scanner. It would take an EXPERT of Photoshop or Paint Shop Pro to "fake" the effects of flatbed scanning on a printed book and substitute in the fake text.

Also, the name of the first chapter of Deathly Hallows is almost a perfect match for the manuscript version mentioned in the Guardian (UK) article.

As much as I think this reads like kinda poor fanfic (or just straight up fan servicing), one thing people seem to forget is that we have no context for the epilogue. May be this book is a slaughter fest, and we need this epilogue to make up for it. I just hope if this is real, it will make more sense in the context of the work as a whole. I would hope for more info on others, but it could be that the answers are already there. So...I'll hold my disappointment until I read the whole thing...

As a slasher, I don't expect to see the series end the way *I* would have it end: it's a given that THAT is never going to happen. In addition, as an slasher, I really don't care HOW the series ends, because I *live* in AU-land, and I'm bloody well going to be rewriting the ending with fanfic ANYWAY. So while the rest of the world is gnashing their teeth and crying O Noes! I'll be like, Yeah, Jo, nice one; now, hmm, let's rewrite the last half the book into a fanfic that ends with Harry and Draco in bed together...

So, all that taken into consideration, I'm fine with the epilogue scans, if they turn out to be real; more than fine, I'm happy with them. I want Harry and Draco and Ron and Hermione to survive the trials ahead of them; and if the price for that is having to endure an ending that reads like fanfiction.net fanfic, well, I'll deal with that.

sue, and Al is going to be the next Hollywood sensation, that's for sure... al the girls will scream: "Al! Al Potter!"

>.

I know most of you don't know me, and I have no way to prove this, but I know two seperate people, who have gotten it from two different sources, that it's true. I cannot say who, I'm sworn to secrecy.

There are only a few people here from my flist, but one person I know from the old Great Debate yahoo group (waves to Marcella). She's a H/H shipper, and I think she knows me well enough to know I wouldn't lie.

I was advised not to say anything, but I thought it would help everyone to just move on. No offense meant.

Yeah, I've also heard from different people that I trust that it's true. I think I've seen you around! Thanks for jumping in.

You do realise this is exactly what half of us were saying last time, right? and the other half were too busy gloating about ships. If you think it must be wrong because it sucks, you're the one who is wrong because if it sucks? That's how you can tell it's JKR. At least in my experience, it is. *le sigh*

hahaha. I love this. You're a genius. I was just thinking about this earlier. THANK YOU for not making me be the only one who's totally suspicious about it.

I would love to think this too.. I mean, I can accept those pairings but wtf? The poorness of the writing, the names teddy, scorpius and albus serverus lol, the fact that the epilogue reveals nothing other than that? Nothing about careers? JK has been planning this "all was well" ending for years?? I just don't... I can't understand... Bring on the wank plz :S

it's so, so, so fake.

the book contains 784 (SEVEN HUNDRED AND EIGHTY FOUR) pages. the last page of the epilogue should say "784". it does not. it says "759".

use common sense people.

oh, and the british book has 600 and something pages so don't even try that.

and that is just the most simple and basic of reasons. not to mention that is bullshit and even children don't write so awfully and name people ALBUS SEVERUS AKA AL~*