Myth ([info]myth720) wrote in [info]soul_society,
@ 2004-08-07 19:18:00
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144 title... ?
Have you noticed the title for 144? I ran a search and "Rosa rubicundior, Lilio candidior." are 2 lines from the latin love poem "veni, veni, venias". anyone happens to know what significance this poem has?  i just read the lyrics (& translation) and got chills. :/
I have to say Kubo is really an interesting man.


VENI, VENI, VENIAS

Veni, veni, venias,
ne me mori facias,
hyrca, hyrce, nazara;
trilirivos.

Pulchra tibi facies,
oculorum acies,
capillorum series;
o quam clara species!

Rosa rubicundior,
Lilio candidior,
omnibus formosior;
semper in te glorior!

Come, come, please come, don't make me die, hyrca, hyrce, nazara, trilirivos.

Beautiful is your face, the glance of your eyes, the tresses of your hair; oh how beautiful is your appearance! (or; what a glorious creature!)

You are redder than the rose, brighter than the lily, more beautiful than all; you are my constant pride!


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[info]anko
2004-08-07 04:24 pm UTC (link)
^^ It's quite pretty but I'm sorry, I don't really know the significance it has, I believe I haven't seen this poem until now.

I'm ashamed at how my Latin skills have gone rusty in just a year...T__T

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-07 04:39 pm UTC (link)
Well, gee, it sounds like what's going on in Renji's head at the moment...

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[info]anko
2004-08-07 04:54 pm UTC (link)
Well, gee, it sounds like what's going on in Renji's head at the moment...

Ah that's true, I didn't think of how it would apply to the characters...

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(Anonymous)
2004-08-08 12:54 am UTC (link)
is this from carmina burana?

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[info]myth720
2004-08-08 05:39 am UTC (link)
yes

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[info]botling
2004-08-07 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Wow, that is interesting. I don't know the significance, either, though.

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[info]halcyonjazz
2004-08-07 04:44 pm UTC (link)
Considering Renji is pretty much in love with Rukia...? The significance is pretty obvious with me o_O;;

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[info]halcyonjazz
2004-08-07 04:44 pm UTC (link)
Forgot to say, though, that's one pretty poem. Thank you for sharing ♥

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[info]lovelycoconuts
2004-08-07 05:14 pm UTC (link)
When I read that it made me think of Renji - going down in glory? Though I don't think that's the signifigance, just what my mind is focused on X3
Maybe it's what Rukia is thinking of Renji >:D

Anyway, it's a lovely poem! :O Would you mind if I posted it up on Too Schexay? :D~ (with all due credit of course!)

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[info]myth720
2004-08-07 05:36 pm UTC (link)
sure you can share... it's not like i own any copyrights, i just found it on yahoo ^^;

i like how you look at it, i think its some of what i felt too.

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[info]mangga
2004-08-07 06:44 pm UTC (link)
That is a beautiful poem. I think it speaks more about glory, rather than love, though one can see it any way, really. But "redder than the rose, brighter than the lily" evokes an image of stark glory that totally fits Renji's fall in this chapter.

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[info]karisome
2004-08-07 08:29 pm UTC (link)
A possible interpretation that [info]kookylilmonster refused to post but was helpless to stop me from posting. Sorry if it's a bit long.

me: so what do you think the interpretation is?
KookylilMonster: rukia loff!
me: haha
me: yes, can definitely see that
me: but the last stanza evokes more renji imagery than rukia imagery
KookylilMonster: hn
KookylilMonster: the rose is probably renji, yea
KookylilMonster: are lilies white?
KookylilMonster: it might be byakuya
KookylilMonster: for the white.. scarfy thing
KookylilMonster: hn
me: ...but that would have byakua/renji overtones
me: ><
KookylilMonster: no no
KookylilMonster: it's like renji saying
KookylilMonster: you're better than me
KookylilMonster: and better than snooty byakuya
KookylilMonster: you're the beessstest
me: hahaha
KookylilMonster: it's quite possible we're trying to see too much of it
KookylilMonster: he might've just found the lines and was like
KookylilMonster: damn that's pretty
KookylilMonster: i should use that
me: XD
KookylilMonster: if we're feeling extra curious
KookylilMonster: we could look up what lilies represent
KookylilMonster: *stares*
KookylilMonster: chastity and virtue
KookylilMonster: hn.
me: urk?
KookylilMonster: and.. purity
KookylilMonster: uh...
KookylilMonster: oooh
KookylilMonster: purity and grace
KookylilMonster: "regal white lily:
me: nobility
KookylilMonster: :D
me: there we go
me: lol
me: hmm...then what would be the connotations of "redder than the rose"?
me: since it's obviously not referring to his hair
me: -_-;
KookylilMonster: of course it's his hair
me: lol
KookylilMonster: where else is there red?!
me: but rukia has no redness
KookylilMonster: it's renji's loff for rukia that is red!
KookylilMonster: Red rose is the symbol of love and fidelity
me: XD
KookylilMonster: are the ultimate symbol of romantic love and enduring passion
me: so...his love for her is brighter than his hair
KookylilMonster: lol
KookylilMonster: yes
me: got it
me: lmao
KookylilMonster: nonono
KookylilMonster: fool!
KookylilMonster: red is renji's color
me: 0_o
KookylilMonster: because of his hair
KookylilMonster: so red symbolizes renji
KookylilMonster: but since he says rukia's redder than him
KookylilMonster: it means his loff for her is worth more than his whole pathetic being
KookylilMonster: damn i'm getting fluffy
me: roflmao
me: we so need to post this convo on soul society
KookylilMonster: T_T;;
me: ...i'll do it
me: ^_^
KookylilMonster: they're going to think we're crackheads
me: ...aren't we tho?
KookylilMonster: but..!
KookylilMonster: they don't know that!
me: =_=

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[info]myth720
2004-08-07 09:23 pm UTC (link)
hehe not too bad ^^; also he was refered to as a dog and dogs are loyal >.> (you said rose = fidelity) maybe it means in the end he's more noble than noble kuchiki ^^; (brighter than the lily) i think the song is about Renji going down in blaze of glory, so that would fit yesh.. ^^;; thanks for the post :3

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what a beautyful poem....
[info]shinigamimonkey
2004-08-08 01:56 am UTC (link)
mmm.. now it makes sense, To me it`s very clear , admit it guys, he loves rukia that much.

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[info]anko
2004-08-08 06:31 am UTC (link)
Has anyone actually gotten hold of the song?

Erm...I've gotten a hold of it...and I must say that it sounds VERY different from what I imagine it to be...Is there, perhaps, another version of it?

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[info]_hissori
2004-08-08 06:44 am UTC (link)
http://home.comcast.net/~hissori/Veni_Veni_Venias.mp3

That's the version [info]anko and I have heard... And, yeah, it totally does NOT sound like a WAFF-y love song. =_= *was scared to death by it*

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[info]anko
2004-08-08 06:47 am UTC (link)
Thanks for posting it up =D

Any of my romantic notions turned to dust after hearing the actual song XDD;;

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[info]myth720
2004-08-08 09:56 am UTC (link)
thats what happen when you take a medieval poem and turn it into opera ^^;;
i'll search later to see if there's another version...

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[info]myth720
2004-08-08 09:52 am UTC (link)
o_O;;; thats totally not the image i had of the poem.... but thanks ^^;
it has more lively feeling and less the beauty in death last impression of life that i was feeling when reading the poem... its sort of cheery and hopeful?

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[info]anko
2004-08-08 03:37 pm UTC (link)
Imagine my reaction ^^;; I spent the WHOLE day trying to get a hold of it and when I did, I was nearly scared out of my wits. But, you seem to take this very well than both Hisso and I did XDD;; I say it fits the battle situation and rising tension of the chapter very well, though. And yes, it's very much a bellicose sounding song, rather than a resigned, mourning type of song. I actually expected some type folk song sounding beat, something like Scarborough Fair because it's also written in the medieval era, but I guess not XDD;; I hope there might be a softer sounding song, but if not, then that will do.

I fear your icon very much.

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[info]myth720
2004-08-08 06:55 pm UTC (link)
but then again, i think the song supposed to represents Renji, and a quiet, melodic song (i imagined quiet opera type) won't be suiting him, hes passionate and brash... i guess. anyway, the poem was without music for hundreds of years, so you can pretend its still the case ^_~

hehe Gin is teh ebil, but sexy one :3

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[info]anko
2004-08-08 07:32 pm UTC (link)
XDD;; yes that's true...I say he kept the feelings so bottled up for so long that it exploded like a freshly opened champagne bottle. Or I can pretend that no one has ever sung it like you said.

I don't want to kiss the piggy's tushy XD;;

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[info]myth720
2004-08-09 10:09 am UTC (link)
don't make me resort into using my shounen-ai icons XD

(i loved the champagne analogy!!)

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[info]anko
2004-08-09 07:37 pm UTC (link)
Bring it on~~ *although that's not a good idea since we're straying off topic already ^^;;*

I like my friend's analogy better, which is that Mt. Renji erupted and that we need to watch out for his lava of emotions XDD;;

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hmm
(Anonymous)
2004-08-12 07:25 pm UTC (link)
When i read the lyrics I thought it sounded really familiar... If any of you have played Final Fantasy 7, the same lyrics are contained in Sephiroth's theme...

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Re: hmm
[info]joukido
2004-08-15 02:52 am UTC (link)
Only the "Veni, veni, venias/Ne me mori facias" part was used in Katatsubasa no Tenshi/One-Winged Angel.

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