Michael Elliott ([info]kindelingboy) wrote in [info]sikhs,
@ 2007-08-04 13:43:00
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Sikh for a Month Looking for Tips and Resources
Hello everyone.

My name is Michael and I am part of a project called the Year of Faith.  The about page can be found here for an extensive introduction and explanation.  But in a nutshell, two of my friends and I have picked twelve religions and are studying and practicing each one , every month, for the entire year.  We aren't doing this for university or some kind weird reality TV show, but for our own interest and education.  This month we are studying Sikhism and I had a few questions about the faith that I hoped you could all help me with.

First off, every month (or almost every month, I should say) we post an introduction about the religion of the month, outlining the basic history, practices, and beliefs.  The intro. to Sikhism is here, and I would appreciate some feedback, such as key aspects that I may have missed or would do well to extrapolate on.

One of the more central aspects of Sikhism seems to be the Khalsa and the Kakars.  I understand that while most Sikhs do not get baptised, many still carry some of the five Ks.  I'm interested in what you think are the most important Kakars, or perhaps which are the ones that would be carried by most Sikhs?

I am also looking for a copy or two of the English translation of the Guru Granth Sahib.  I have yet to find a copy locally (I live in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada) and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a translation or version?  Our local library is on strike right now, though I would prefer to buy it anyway.  I have found a few copies online, but I would rather have a physical copy of my own.

Any other information you feel would be important for me to know or to look into would be very much appreciated.  Please comment either here or at the Year of Faith website, or even send us an e-mail!

Thank you!




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Hi
(Anonymous)
2007-08-05 06:00 pm UTC (link)
Hi I think this is an amazing project you are undertaking and I want to help with the Sikhism aspect of it. I think it would be better if you gave me a call so I could help better answer your questions and engage in a dialogue which I think you will benefit from. Please email me at jagdeepsm@gmail.com if you are interested. Thank you.

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Some tips
(Anonymous)
2007-08-06 01:21 am UTC (link)
Hello. I think what you're doing in terms of exploring different religions is a great thing. I was just reading through the introduction on Sikhism that you posted and would just like to clear up a few things that you might want to change.
Firstly, I wanted to clear up the fact that the Kara (bracelet) that is worn is not supposed to be made of steel, but is supposed to be made of IRON. Iron is good for us anyways and wearing an iron Kara helps get the essential iron that we miss in our diets sometimes. It is also recommended by many great Sikhs, that one should try to prepare all food in iron pots and pans.
Also, I wanted to point out that eating meat (regardless of how it is prepared) is one of the cardinal sins in Sikhism. This means no eggs, fish, etc.. any type of living creature. Please clear that up on your introduction. There are some people who disagree with this, but according to dominant Sikh belief eating meat is a no no.
If you have any more questions regarding that stuff I'm sure you'll be able to find something regarding meat to clear up your thoughts.
If you're planning on reading the translations of guru Granth sahib JI, just a word of warning, there are many mistranslations of this holy scripture out there (Ernest Trumpp is a particularly gross misrepresentation) so I would advise you to look into many different sources. One really good source is Professor Sahib Singh's Sateek which you can order an English translation of off of the Internet. www.Charhdikalaa.com is a good site to order Sikh material from.
Good Luck in your endeavor. I hope you find something valuable in Sikhism.
Vaheguru ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

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Re: Some tips
(Anonymous)
2007-08-06 05:36 am UTC (link)
Fateh ji, I just want to make a few clarifications in response to this post.

Firstly, our karas are, in fact, iron, or "sarab loh." However, this is not because we need iron in our diet. The vitamin iron is not going to nourish our bodies through the wearing of a bracelet or the preparation of food in a sarab loh bowl. Iron was originally used by the Sikhs because it was a cheap metal, yet one of the strongest metals. It could better be thought of as a humble metal because, while it was not considered as valuable as other metals such as gold, it was still stronger, sturdier, etc. That is how we, as Sikhs, should be. We should be low and humble, yet be so strong, fit to be a member of the khalsa panth.

Secondly, the "cardinal sins" for lack of better translation, are the 4 tankhaiyas as outlined by the Sikh Rehit Maryada (i HIGHLY recommend you read that if you're interested in really grasping the basics of how to live as a Sikh). Nowhere in the Rehit Maryada, nor Gurbani for that matter, does it say that a Sikh can not eat meat. Some people believe that this is true, specifically those that live their lives in accordance with the rehit of the Akhand Kirtanee Jatha (you can read more about AKJ in the literature section of AKJ.org). However, it is only considered a tankhaiya to eat halaal meat, or meat prepared in accordance with the Muslim tradition. I am not too learned about these specifics, but I believe that it roughly involves a slow death of the animal as prayers are being said.

You also mentioned in your intro that Sikhs believe in reincarnation. This is not necessarily true. We believe in transmigration. Reincarnation means a rebirth, or rejuvenation. You are completely reborn. However, transmigration implies that your soul is just traveling from life form to life form. When we are in human form, we are in that last stage to really become one with Waheguru. We have been given this form of intelligence, self awareness, etc. and now have all the proper "tools" to live a life of devotion to God and break free of the cycle of births and deaths, which we believe can be done while one is still in human form, which we call Jeevan Mukti.

To respond to your question, all the kakkars are of equal importance. There's no one that his higher than the other. There are, however, ones that are more obvious than others. For example, if a Sikh does not keep his/her kes, it is quite apparent, whereas we don't (well... we shouldn't...) know whether a Sikh is wearing kachhera. I would say the most "popular" or most worn K is the kara. It is very simple for people to keep a bracelet on their wrist... apparently much moreso than their kes. Also, some people, including the aforementioned Akhand Kirtanee Jatha, believe that the keski (dastaar, or turban) is a K. They believe that we are to keep our kes, but the other kakkars are removable and so is the keski. You can read more about this on the site as well. I think you should definitely elaborate on the importance of the turban/dastaar/keski for a Sikh, though, because I noticed that when you talk about kes, you only mention the hair being tied in a knot, where most Sikhs (mostly males and some females) where turbans.
Also just a small note, kachhera also have a draw string and are tight around the legs, which make them more modest than boxers.

I would love to continue this discussion, so if you would like more input, just respond to the comment with your email address and I will email you. Also, I have found that the website sikhtalk.com does a really nice job of answering questions about Sikhi, and they respond really fast too. If you have any quick questions, I recommend emailing through that site.

Oh, last thing, in regards to finding a Guru Granth Sahib Ji, I'm afraid I don't know where you can get one. However, the website sikhitothemax.com has most of the Banis on there in Gurmukhi, Romanized, and Translated English. I personally use it quite often for finding shabads and, when I'm not at home and would like a quick 'hukam' from my Guruji, I go there and click random shabad :)

Good luck with your endeavors!! Waheguru ji ka Khalsa, Waheguru ji ki Fateh!

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Re: Some tips
[info]kindelingboy
2007-08-13 11:30 pm UTC (link)
Thanks very much for the insightful comments! My apologies that this reply is so late in coming. You can reach me directly at kindelingboy (at) mac (dot) com. I have plenty of question for the fellow Sikhs out there!

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Tips and Resources -
(Anonymous)
2007-08-07 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Greetings from Toronto! I hope you enjoy your project. I did a similar one when I was 18. Liked it so much I am still at many years later!

You know the Sikh life - which most Sikhs don't fully practice - can be a bit challenging. I includes rising before sunrise for meditation and a refreshing cold shower before. There is also a vegetarian option, if you should like to follow it. Most Sikhs I know are veggie. That said, the Sikh ideal is to serve others and meditate on the God within - and to be in high spirits. You know the saying "Smile and the whole world smiles with you..." We like to smile and be happy and help others do the same. It is a big part of being a Sikh.

As for obtaining a translation of Siri Guru Granth Sahib, there is a wonderful facility in Brampton, Ontario. They provide all manner of things Sikh. You can call them at 1.905.459.8351. You can also find a very anglo-friendly Gurudwara through http://www.yogawest.ca. They are in Kitsilano. Like myself, many are first generation Sikh.

If I can be of further assistance, you may reach me at gurufathasingh@gmail.com. Best of luck with your project!

(Singh Sahib) Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa

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Awesome idea
(Anonymous)
2007-08-07 10:27 pm UTC (link)
I think this is a great idea.. I myself am learning about Sikhism and might be able to offer some help - please e-mail me at mclarke94@gmail.com.

I think trying to learn about it in one month will only be possible if you fully dedicate yourself. Because one month goes by really fast and you should have started to ask these questions a few weeks ago, before you began the practice.

Some central concepts are to meditate on the essential energy of God, to earn an honest living from your own work (no gambling, fraud, stealing), and to share with others before you consume things yourself.

Part of the first (meditation) includes reciting the Gurbani, or sacred scriptures of the enlighteners. This should also include understanding them - for your own spiritual development. Websites that might help with this include www.srigranth.org, www.sridasam.org, www.gurmatstudies.com, www.sikhitothemax.com, www.gurbanifiles.org, www.searchgurbani.com

It also includes attending sangat, or the congregation. Some of the events you can find on www.bcsikhyouth.com, www.akj.org, www.harjas.com and there are a few gurdwaras that have websites like www.sukhsagar.ca, www.dukhniwaran.ca, and www.khalsadarbar.com.

So it would really help you to attend the gurdwara, go to congregation, and read the gurbani.

The second part includes honest living - so this would mean a vegetarian diet, an honest earning (no lottery tickets, no casinos), a intoxicant-free diet (no alcohol, no cigarettes, no narcotics).

The third part includes giving and sharing - so this would mean giving 10% of everything you earn this month from work to a charity, doing seva (selfless service) in the gurdwara langar (community kitchen) or in any place that benefits humanity, and sharing your food, clothes, or knowledge with someone that might need it more than you. When you do these things, they should be done with a humble mind, that is to say without egotistical pride about giving any donation, or without the desire for recognition for your donations.

The physical aspects are for initiated Sikhs and those who are practicing to become initiated. If you want to fully practice Sikhi, the physical aspects are completely part of the Sikh identity and they are not seperate from the spiritual. Sikhi is about the balance between the two aspects (spiritual and temporal).

All of the kakaars are equally important as they form the Sikh uniform. Also included in this uniform is the concept of wearing clothing that is comfortable for your body, mind and soul (not exploiting yourself or anyone else).

As I said, I too am just a beginner so I might have made some mistakes - please forgive me for those! Wish you all the best. And once again.. e-mail me if you have any more questions ... mclarke94@gmail.com

-Mat


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Coles Notes on the Faith of Lions
[info]nightshine
2007-08-12 04:39 am UTC (link)
Hi,

A couple things:
1/ Sikhism was responsible for challenging the caste system. For this reason, Sikhs all sit at an equal level in the Gurudwara- no Sikh is seated higher than any other. As well, everyone is welcome to eat together- a totally radical move in a society where lower castes were considered "unclean" and were accused of polluting the kitchens that they entered.
2/ Men and women enjoy absolute equality in Sikhism, insofar as both genders can be gyanis, or priests. Women are encouraged not to enter purdah as it is seen as a sign of submission. Female warriors who fought for Sikh freedom are honoured in stories, legends, and songs.
3/ Sikhs don't believe in proselytizing, or compelling others to take on their religion or convert. As a result, the way that you are discovering Sikhism- by reaching out to voluntarily find out more- is the only way that you will ever learn about the Sikh world. Curiousity is a beautiful thing..
4/ Some Sikhs will point you to various edicts issued by Gurudwaras or other committees. While the efforts at enhancing Sikhi are laudable, most Sikhs will tell you that the Guru Granth Sahib is the final word in Sikhism.
5/ Seva, or service, is an integral part of Sikhism. Sikhs are encouraged to donate ten percent of their salary to charity and to work with their hands and serve the community.
6/ Sikhism respects all other religions. We learn that there are many ways to access the truth, and while we feel that ours is preferable for us, no other faith is to be disrespected. We can enter other holy places and show our reverence, as well as actively befriend people with differing beliefs. Sikhs were known for rescuing Hindu women from invaders and returning them to their families- it was against their honour to marry said women themselves, because of the taint of possible coercion- even when the women asked them to!
7/ Sikhism has a rich history, and you might enjoy finding out more about the Sikh raj- when the Sikhs ruled India, and their empire was almost impervious to the British for a hundred years longer than the rest of the subcontinent. They remain the only outsiders to have ever held Afghanistan in the modern era.

You are also free to email me about Sikhism; I am happy to help answer any questions as well, although it seems that you have many wonderful helpers. My family has been Sikh for generations and we can trace our ancestry back before the era of the Raj. Anyway, my email is purejasmine@gmail.com
Wishing you the best in your interfaith adventure- Guru Nanak would approve!

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Re: Coles Notes on the Faith of Lions
[info]in_too_deep_66
2007-08-17 12:15 am UTC (link)
There is one thing about the equality of men and women that I've had a question about ever since I visited the golden temple. I believe women are not allowed to be the priests inside that temple or do the opening prayer or something (sorry im really not sure what the restriction is) but I wasn't sure as to why..
and maybe there is someone here that can clear that up..?

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Re: Coles Notes on the Faith of Lions
[info]nightshine
2007-08-17 11:21 pm UTC (link)
I've never heard of that. If it is true, it is against Sikhism.

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Re: Coles Notes on the Faith of Lions
(Anonymous)
2007-08-18 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Sadly, you are correct. At Harmandir Sahib, Kaurs are not allowed to participate in certain sevas, serve in the Akaal Takhat, or do kirtan seva. This is, indeed, a terribly contradiction to the equality of genders in Sikhi. People are working to challenge this, but unfortunately, it's still happening... I don't know the justifications exactly. I think these things are more cultural than anything.

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[info]nightshine
2007-08-12 04:43 am UTC (link)
I should add- I'm also in BC :) If you like, I can send you some shabads- Sikh music- over email if you type me. Again, good luck!

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[info]in_too_deep_66
2007-08-17 12:22 am UTC (link)
also a big part of sikhism is the Gurudwara and even though we can pray on our own it is encouraged to go to the "temple" Gurudwara (dwara i believe means "home" or place of residence)
because you are surrounded by other devotees etc n ur mind is less likely to wander
also men and women sit separately in gurudwara so that again your thought is on God, not the opposite sex. (i think)
lastly "langar" is an important aspect because it deals with equality
it is a free meal provided to anyone who comes in, and everyone sits on the floor and eats together
(back in the day this was a big deal because kings and peasants would not ever think of sitting together and eating the same food)
this meal is vegetarian so as not to offend/to accommodate vegetarians
altho in my personal interpretation, we are allowed to eat meat but not Halal/ceremonial meat
also (again, i think) gurudwaras ideally have 4 doors *one in each direction) to show that ppl of all faith/race etc are welcome

the reht maryada as someone stated is sort of the "guide to sikh living" but i prefer to use the Guru Granth Sahib as my guide.

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[info]nightshine
2007-08-17 11:23 pm UTC (link)
We are not supposed to eat halal or kosher because Sikhism believes that the way that animals are ritualistically killed is cruel.

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[info]nightshine
2007-08-17 11:27 pm UTC (link)
The Gurudwara is a place to come together, but you don't HAVE to go the Gurudwara. Sikhism makes a very big deal out of stating that God is not attached to any particular place, and there are sakhis that illustrates that particular directions aren't sacred.

For example, one of the Gurus came upon Hindus standing in the Ganges throwing water up in the air in a particular direction. He came upon them and began to throw his stream of water in the opposite direction. "What on earth are you doing?" They asked.

"I'm doing what you are doing," he responded.

"But you're throwing the water in the wrong direction," they cried.

"What is in your direction?"

"Oh! You silly man," they explained, "we are throwing water toward our ancestors and the home of their souls. They are that way!" And they pointed to where the water was being flung toward.

"Yes, I see," said the Guru. "But I am throwing water toward my father's fields. They are that way!"

"Don't be so stupid. How can the water reach such a distance? Of course it won't.."

"But your water," said the Guru, gently," is expected to go thousands and thousands upon miles away, into another dimension?" The people in the River followed him out, shamefaced and full of questions.

Another story tells of when Guru Nanak visited Mecca. When he kneeled to pray to Mecca his feet pointed at it, so the Muslims were shocked and went to punish him. But when they looked at Kabbah, the holy seat of Mecca, it moved each time the Guru did. "God," said Nanak, "is in all directions."

If you are a good person, then God is with you wherever you are, and earthly bondage to a particular place, even a Gurudwara, is meaningless in Sikhism.

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[info]in_too_deep_66
2007-08-18 07:06 am UTC (link)
yes I understand
I know both those stories and had the mecca one in mind while writing part of my comment
but I said it was "encouraged"
maybe thats in my family/community / based on my personal experience that a really good shabad (hymm) with a devoted sangat (congregation) is totally captivating
but yes there is no requirement to go to GW n its not "a sin/bad" according to the scriptures to not go
but i think even in the scriptures it encourages surrounding urself with devoted ppl etc (could be wrong) n one can assume devoted ppl come to gurudwara altho thats is obviously not necessarily true

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[info]nightshine
2007-08-18 06:19 pm UTC (link)
Totally, but one thing the Guru Granth says is that you DON'T have to believe in God to achieve salvation. If you are a good person, you are perfectly worthy, and so I think that if you hang out with such people as a Sikh, you're still fine. Plus, shabads, etc. can be conducted in one's home or anywhere else one chooses.. it doesn't have to be in Gurudwara.
That having been said, going to the Gurudwara is both spiritually uplifting and convenient, and gives one the opportunity to do seva, or service to the community.

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[info]in_too_deep_66
2007-08-17 12:23 am UTC (link)
feel free to ask me anything at desi_danca_66@yahoo.com

ps - great project u guys have taken on!
may i ask which faiths u have covered/are planning on studying?

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[info]kindelingboy
2007-08-21 12:02 am UTC (link)
Hey there!

You can check the schedule here- http://yearoffaith.net/schedule/
It will tell you what we've done so far and what we are planning to do in the future.

It is by no means an exhaustive list. We won't/haven't had time to cover specific denominations, but I think I will be extending the project to investigate these specifics of religion.

And thanks for all the feedback!

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