Will Shetterly ([info]willshetterly) wrote in [info]sfwa,
@ 2007-04-12 23:04:00
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Howard V. Hendrix, SFWA's current V.P.
Howard sent the following and ended it, "Thanks for taking the time to post the rant." I respect a good rant, so I'm glad to post it. He didn't make me change my mind about posting work for free on the web, but he made me consider the issue in a new light.

--Will Shetterly


About Howard V. Hendrix:

About My Work:

I've held jobs ranging from hospital phlebotomist to fish hatchery manager to university professor and administrator.   My degrees range from a BS in Biology (Xavier University, 1980) to an MA (1982) and PhD in English Literature (1987), both from University of California, Riverside. 

My first four published novels appeared from Ace Books (Penguin Putnam): Lightpaths (1997), Standing Wave (1998), Better Angels (1999), and Empty Cities of the Full Moon (2001). My fifth novel, The Labyrinth Key, appeared from Ballantine Del Rey in April 2004. His sixth novel, The Spears of God, was published by Del Rey in December 2006. 

My most widely available works of shorter science fiction can be found in my short story collection Möbius Highway (Scorpius Digital Books, 2001), the Full Spectrum original anthology series Vols. 1, 4, and 5 (Bantam Books), and in The Outer Limits Volume 1 (Prima). My publications also include some three dozen works of shorter experimental stories, among them the chapbooks Testing, Testing, 1, 2, 3  (EOTU Press) and The Vertical Fruit of the Horizontal Tree  (Talisman Press). My more recent short fiction has appeared in the June 2002 Asimov’s Science Fiction Magazine, in the DAW Books anthology Microcosms (January 2004), and Aeon Two (February 2005), Aeon Five (November 2005), and Future Shocks (January 2006).  My story “Palimpsest” will appear in the September 2007 issue of Analog. 

I have also published numerous political essays, book reviews, and works of literary criticism, including a book-length study of apocalyptic elements in English literature from Langland to Milton, The Ecstasy of Catastrophe (1990). My most recent science fiction criticism appears in Projections (2004) and YLEM Journal (2006).

An avid gardener, I co-wrote a book on landscape irrigation, Reliable Rain (co-authored with Stuart Straw), which appeared in March 1998 from Taunton Press. 

For book-length print work, my agent is Chris Lotts at Ralph M. Vicinanza, Ltd in New York. For film, his agent is Vincent M. Gerardis of Created By, in Hollywood, CA.

About my life:

I live with my wife Laurel, just shy of the 5,000 foot elevation in the Sierra Nevada Mountains, near Shaver Lake, CA. We do not need summer cooling. Over ninety five percent of our winter heating is from a woodstove fueled with wood obtained from our own property -- salvaged from second- and third-growth forest long ago timbered-over and natural-fire suppressed. I do all the felling of the trees for firewood, all the cutting in rounds, and the splitting.  Our primary vehicle is a 2003 Honda Civic hybrid, purchased in that model year.

We are firefighters with the Pine Ridge Volunteer Fire Department.  We enjoy backpacking and snowshoeing in the Sierra Nevada, as well as training in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.

About my work in SFWA:

   I wrote the following when I ran for Vice President of the Science fiction and Fantasy Writers of America a few years back:

   "SFWA is full of busy people who, nonetheless, make time to keep our organization going.  The strength of SFWA is clearly its volunteers and the service of those volunteers on SFWA's committees.
   "The purpose of our organization lies not only in educating ourselves and our fellow science fiction and fantasy writers about the blessings and the curses of this business, craft, and art -- important though that is -- but also in being zealous in our defense of the respect, dignity, and financial fair-play we are due as professionals.
   "Such an understanding -- that, at its best, SFWA functions as a trade association looking out for the common interests of our membership -- comes from my experience as SFWA Western Regional Director (2000-2003) and as chair of the Credits and Ethics committee during the late 1990s.  It also comes from twenty years as a professional writer whose publications include several dozen shorter works, a couple of short fiction collections, and five novels.  These works have appeared via large traditional print publishing houses, electronic and digital media, and small presses.
   "On a more personal level,  I am interested in the vice presidency of SFWA because the vice president works primarily with SFWA's committees.  Nearly fifteen years ago, it was a committee of SFWA -- the Grievance Committee -- which came to my aid when I was in a tight spot.  At that time, an unscrupulous agent who had "taken me on" as a client was holding my manuscripts hostage in hopes of extorting money (several thousand dollars) from me -- a trick, I later learned, which she had previously pulled  on other writers.  I contacted the Grievance Committee (chaired at that time by Sheila Finch) and presented to the committee the evidence of my situation.  As a result, SFWA's lawyer hit the aforementioned agent with a "cease and desist" and the situation was successfully resolved in my favor.
   "Despite a busy life and the sometimes crazy fractiousness of our organization, I feel a continuing sense of obligation to SFWA.  If the membership sees fit to elect me to SFWA's vice presidency, I will do my best to faithfully discharge that obligation."

Since writing that, I have published another novel and served two terms as vice president of SFWA. I still believe what I wrote at that time.  During my two terms as VP under President Robin Wayne Bailey (with whom I've been proud to serve), I have performed the traditional duties of the VP --  participating in all votes of the Board of Directors, serving as ex-officio member of many committees, and serving as chief "wrangler" for SFWA's numerous committees.  I also began working toward a reform of bankruptcy laws and publishers' contract templates regarding those laws, as well as working to establish a permanent "Legacy" database so that contact info for the estates, heirs, and agents of SFWA members who have passed on might be more readily available to agents, publishers, producers, anthologists, publishers, editors and scholars.  Both of these projects are ongoing.

Given my involvement with SFWA over the last ten years, many SFWAns have asked me why I chose not to run for the office of SFWA President.  Some have even accused me of precipitating a "constitutional crisis" by deciding not to run -- uncontested ballot, write-in candidates, all that.

I will not comment on the interesting election this year (2007), although I do think that anyone who seriously contemplates running for higher office in SFWA should have already served in the organization for a least a couple of years.  It shouldn't be "on the job training."

As to why I didn't run, there are several reasons.  No, none of them were "a desire to spend more time with his family" -- the cop-out du jour in these difficult times.  I will admit, however, that in my own case the last two years have been very trying: Laurel and I built a house in the mountains so I had to take on more teaching chores to help pay the mort-gage (French for "death pledge"), my mother-in-law went into terminal cancer, my mother was diagnosed with early stage dementia, and -- oh yes -- I had two editors (Steve Saffel and Jim Minz) shot out from under me at Del Rey.  I'm beginning to feel about my editors the way Custer felt about his horses at the Battle of the Little Big Horn (two steeds were shot out from under Old Yellow-Hair too).

I didn't think I'd serve SFWA well given all these matters still pending.  I though I'd call 2007-08 a "rebuilding" or "retrenchment" year.  I had no idea that one result of that simple decision would be an uncontested ballot.

In another way too, though, I feel that the organization and I are moving apart at the moment.  More and more of SFWA's business is internet mediated.  I've spent several thousands of hours doing SFWA business online during my Western Regional Director and Vice President years.  As a result I've developed an almost allergic aversion toward all things nettish, including what I'm doing right now. 

I think the ongoing and increasing sublimation of the private space of consciousness into public netspace is profoundly pernicious.  For that reason I don't much like to blog, wiki, chat, post, LiveJournal, or lounge in SFF.net.  A problem with the whole wikicliki, sick-o-fancy, jerque-du-cercle of a networking and connection-based order is that, if you "go along to get along" for too long, there's a danger you'll no longer remember how to go it alone when the ethics of the situation demand it.

I'm also opposed to the increasing presence in our organization of webscabs, who post their creations on the net for free.  A scab is someone who works for less than union wages or on non-union terms; more broadly, a scab is someone who feathers his own nest and advances his own career by undercutting the efforts of his fellow workers to gain better pay and working conditions for all. Webscabs claim they're just posting their books for free in an attempt to market and publicize them, but to my mind they're undercutting those of us who aren't giving it away for free and are trying to get publishers to pay a better wage for our hard work. 

Since more and more of SFWA is built around such electronically mediated networking and connection based venues, and more and more of our membership at least tacitly blesses the webscabs (despite the fact that they are rotting our organization from within) -- given my happily retrograde opinions, I felt I was not the president who would provide SFWAns the "net time" they seemed to want at this point in the organization's development, or who would bless the contraction of our industry toward monopoly, or who would give imprimatur to the downward spiral that is converting the noble calling of Writer into the life of Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch. 

Will I answer your emails? Sure, if you look up my contact info in the SFWA Directory.  But I won't blog, wiki, chat, post, LiveJournal, lounge or lurk -- and I'll be the happier for it.  Writing this now, I'm well aware of the irony that zealot Ted the Unabomber Kzin-ski got the biggest audience for his antitech manifesto /on the internet/, but I persist in insisting that people have a right to push back against technology they perceive to be destructive to their ways of life and their beliefs.

This is my pushback.  I'd rather be chopping wood for my woodstove, maintaining my own well, and working endlessly on our twelve acres of pines, oaks, and cedars than futzing with these electrons.  And that, if you'll excuse me, is exactly the hands-on work I'll be doing after my term as SFWA vice president ends

Have a nice life.

-- Dr. Howard V. Hendrix

4/24/7: Please read the follow-up post and comment here.




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[info]commodorified
2007-04-13 06:38 am UTC (link)
A scab is someone who works for less than union wages or on non-union terms; more broadly, a scab is someone who feathers his own nest and advances his own career by undercutting the efforts of his fellow workers to gain better pay and working conditions for all.

No, a scab is a strikebreaker. Calling someone a scab is fighting words, and rightly so because to scab is a vile thing. Nobody ought to apply it as lightly and as broadly as this.

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[info]the_flea_king
2007-04-13 01:31 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. That is total bullshit and really solidifies my distaste for SFWA.

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[info]oneminutemonkey
2007-04-13 06:48 am UTC (link)
Well, that's some interesting food for thought.
My immediate reaction is to think that right now, what SFWA needs are Web-savvy people who can and will take advantage of the modern forms of communication/social networking that have really gained such strength in the past few years. It strikes me as ironic that a science fiction writer should be so adamantly against online matters. I understand his aversion based on what he says above, but still, it's a rather curious thing to watch a science fiction writer push back against the oncoming future.
Your mileage may vary. :>

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[info]aburt
2007-04-13 03:39 pm UTC (link)
Well, you might get your wish (about web-savvy people), depending how the vote goes. :-)

(I've been on the net since, ack, too long. I think I have a pretty pioneering and tech-savvy bio.)

And I would note that there are lots of SFWAns who use the net and seem to enjoy it, obviously a whole spectrum's worth, but I think SF writers are generally ahead of the curve compared to, say, other writers. Some SFWAns are at the bleeding edge. So as I said above, don't judge all of SFWA by any one member.

Me, I love technology and am extremely optimistic about it. :-)

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[info]duskpeterson
2007-04-13 07:22 am UTC (link)
"Webscabs claim they're just posting their books for free in an attempt to market and publicize them, but to my mind they're undercutting those of us who aren't giving it away for free and are trying to get publishers to pay a better wage for our hard work."

I suppose he never contributed to a literary journal?

Giving away one's literary work for free is hardly an invention of the Internet, as any poet could have told him. At one time, I worked for a newspaper that was run as a cooperative and that paid its staff in cooperative "shares." It worked out to about ten dollars an article. None of us considered ourselves to be scabs to the staff at the weekly newspapers in neighboring cities, because our work was essentially different. We were a community enterprise, trying to provide information that no commercial newspaper (at the time our newspaper was founded) would have found worthwhile to cover.

Mr. Hendrix makes a mistake if he thinks that only the author who allows his work to be placed online benefits from such an exercise. An entire generation of readers is growing up that is accustomed to reading stories on the Internet rather than the printed page. That's a sad state of affairs (I say, having grown up with the printed word), but it's the reality. If science fiction and fantasy are to survive into the future, they need to reach these readers. Every time a reader encounters a work of SF/F for the first time on the Internet, chances go up that this same reader will buy a printed SF/F book . . . perhaps even one of Mr. Hendrix's works.

As for the idea of free literary works being inherently pernicious, I may have a little less sympathy in this matter than some authors would. That's because, before age eighteen (when I began to earn more than the dollar-a-week allowance I'd received since age ten), virtually all of my reading matter came from library books or used books. If I'd been denied free reading matter during those years, it's almost certainly the case that I wouldn't have ending up buying any of the many new books I now have on my bookshelves.

The Internet is today's public library. It's where readers are nurtured who will go on to buy authors' books.

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[info]coolmajaka
2007-04-13 01:41 pm UTC (link)
Preach it. Saying that giving it away for free hurts the field is crazy beyond belief. What about markets that pay a decent chunk of change (like Strange Horizons or Futurismic) but allow people to access the work for no charge, they're hurting the field?

I guess that makes public libraries the greatest travesty in the history of literature, eh?

Does not compute. What a writer does with their work (selling it to a big publisher, giving it to a literary magazine, posting it on their website, or sticking it in "the trunk") is completely the writer's business.

This strikes me as a central problem with SFWA. The leadership is clueless, stiff-necked, and often times insulting. They're ignoring the new realities -- the internet is going nowhere, so get used to it.

Go Scalzi! Who BTW, turned his webscabbing into a Hugo nomination -- what a (insert rude comment) he is.

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(no subject) - [info]coolmajaka, 2007-04-13 03:08 pm UTC
Public libraries, the webscabs of the 19th century - (Anonymous), 2007-05-01 04:55 pm UTC
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[info]timprov
2007-04-13 01:17 pm UTC (link)
I'd comment, but what's left to say?

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[info]the_flea_king
2007-04-13 01:40 pm UTC (link)
Your icon rocks, Timprov.

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[info]buymeaclue
2007-04-13 02:18 pm UTC (link)
I'd like to make a few points and ask a few questions, but given that Hendrix is apparently interested only in being heard, not in having a conversation (a big, big, big problem for me, in and of itself).

So I want to just say this: this is despicable. Truly, actively, on several different levels, despicable.

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[info]ksumnersmith
2007-04-13 02:30 pm UTC (link)
Yes, exactly. Thank you.

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... - [info]willshetterly, 2007-04-17 03:02 pm UTC
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... - [info]ksumnersmith, 2007-04-18 01:54 am UTC
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[info]nihilistic_kid
2007-04-13 02:33 pm UTC (link)
This piece of yellow-dog shit made you see the issue in a new light, Will? Which light is that? The shining light of feinting left while doing transnational capital's dirty work?

I'd really like to know.

Someone go tell Eric Flint he was just called a scab. I'll get the blood ponchos for the first row.

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[info]timprov
2007-04-13 02:43 pm UTC (link)
It might be the light that maybe I'm not nuts when I keep saying SFWA is anti-future and anti-reader. I can hope.

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Another model - [info]jonquil, 2007-04-14 03:44 am UTC
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... - [info]timprov, 2007-04-15 10:04 pm UTC
... - (Anonymous), 2007-05-01 04:22 pm UTC
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Cheap drives out dear - [info]elfwreck, 2007-04-21 06:31 pm UTC
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Re: Cheap drives out dear - [info]drakkenfyre, 2008-02-28 09:07 pm UTC

[info]stillnotbored
2007-04-13 02:47 pm UTC (link)
Wow. Just wow.

I may come back to this later when I have more time, not that I'm sure there is any real point to responding to something like this.

But to the SFWA members part of this community and watching the discussions here? This, in a nutshell, is why you have an image problem with new and upcoming writers.

How can the writers involved in SFWA and guiding it envision the future and carve out a new place for our writing in a rapidly changing world if they can't live in the present?



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(Anonymous)
2007-04-17 08:16 pm UTC (link)
"The writers involved in SFWA"?!?! Huh? The membership of SFWA is over a thousand writers, every single one of with a different opinion.

Frankly, the intolerance for opinions expressed here, and the way people seem to want to infer that a single opinion expressed by a single writer can be quoted as if it were the opinion of SFWA, baffles me.

There's hundreds of viewpoints in SFWA. Thousands.

Get used to it.

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[info]dolphin__girl
2007-04-13 02:52 pm UTC (link)
You know, this post really exemplifies why some new authors approaching their qualifying sales react by recoiling in horror when the subject of joining SFWA comes up.

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[info]jcfiala
2007-04-13 03:10 pm UTC (link)
Hm. I don't like what he says. I'm rather glad for the SFWA that, with the opinions he holds here, he didn't run for president.

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[info]michaelcapo
2007-04-13 03:15 pm UTC (link)
Wow, indeed. I had no idea that Howard feels that strongly. I take issue with the term scab, too, because SFWA is not a union and there are no picket lines to cross. He does exemplify the belief that the free distribution of fiction, etc. on the Internet will hurt, rather than help, professional authors in the long run, and rather than calling him names or scoffing, it might be helpful to see why an author in his position, heavily invested in the current publishing model, might feel that way.

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[info]nihilistic_kid
2007-04-13 03:24 pm UTC (link)
I see, he calls us scabs, you lecture us not to scoff or call names.

Go lecture someone else.

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I will try not to use the phrase 'Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch' - [info]jwgh, 2007-04-13 03:35 pm UTC
Re: I will try not to use the phrase 'Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch' - [info]arctangent, 2007-04-13 11:25 pm UTC
Re: I will try not to use the phrase 'Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch' - [info]jwgh, 2007-04-14 04:48 am UTC
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SF writing not a union shop - (Anonymous), 2007-05-01 04:35 pm UTC

[info]haddayr
2007-04-13 03:30 pm UTC (link)
How embarrassing for the SFWA that one of their officers doesn't even have a basic grasp of English vocabulary.

A scab is a strikebreaker, not an independent writer who does what she wants with her work.

And I am being very, VERY restrained right now; I have other words (which I know how to use correctly) for people who use fightin' words like this with such a clear attempt to inflame and with such little understanding of history.

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[info]ksumnersmith
2007-04-13 03:44 pm UTC (link)
I understand why you'd post this on Mr. Hendrix's behalf, Will, and support his right to his opinion and free speech. But I find the contents of this post to be personally and professionally disrespectful and offensive, not to mention ridiculous.

I'm very much hoping that this is the kind of attitude that SFWA as a whole will move away from. I think it's not only backwards-looking, but destructive to our careers and the state of our genre alike.

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-13 04:04 pm UTC (link)
I completely agree.

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[info]jonquil
2007-04-13 03:46 pm UTC (link)
Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch.

I'll wear that one with pride, thanks. Although, to be accurate, I am in the Technobourgeoisie, and will certainly be the first up against the wall come the revolution.

I find it genuinely astonishing that a writer of science fiction viscerally loathes all things involved with computer-mediated interaction. Next: Viewing With Alarm the word processor, or possibly the typewriter.

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-13 04:07 pm UTC (link)
In the '80s, the SFWA Forum was filled with letters by established writers who feared the word processor. Okay, "filled" is an exaggeration. But not a great one.

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[info]ritaxis
2007-04-13 03:49 pm UTC (link)
The vice-president of the Science Fiction Writers of America is retiring to a mountain cabin so he can spend his days chopping wood.

The first thing that comes to my mind is Robert Heinlein and his Farnham fantasy.

And I want to say that SFWA is a guild, not a union. It's not even like the building trades unions, which at least have memberships for apprentices.

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[info]buymeaclue
2007-04-13 03:54 pm UTC (link)
Retiring to a mountain cabinet sounds pretty good to me!

(If I can get a good internet connection up there.)

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[info]cristalia
2007-04-13 03:52 pm UTC (link)
I though I'd call 2007-08 a "rebuilding" or "retrenchment" year.

Okay, in my field of study "retrenchment" has a very different meaning.

And it is the exact opposite of what SFWA needs if it wants to be relevant in the next...oh, five seconds.

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[info]tchernabyelo
2007-04-13 03:56 pm UTC (link)
Just bizarre.

So networking on-line is evil and bad - presumably we should go back to networking physically, so that only those who have the opportunity to hang with agents or meet pro writers personally get the help and advice they need?

As for the whole "scab" thing... oh, I'm just not going to go there. I've typed three different rants and it's just not worth it.

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[info]tavella
2007-04-13 04:14 pm UTC (link)
I'm with [info]nihilistic_kid: I want to see Eric Flint's response to being called a scab... from a well removed position and while wearing smoked glasses.

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[info]timprov
2007-04-13 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Just so long as it ends up on YouTube.

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[info]alexx_kay
2007-04-13 04:55 pm UTC (link)
I have, so far as I can tell, never heard this person's name before today, nor ever seen one of their books for sale. This just reinforces my agreement with Cory Doctorow's position that the greatest enemy of most working writers is obscurity.

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[info]aburt
2007-04-13 07:51 pm UTC (link)
I've read some of Howard's books, and enjoyed them. One might stumble across them on the shelf next to, say, Heinlein. :-)

(Lucky dog. "Burt" ends up near Burroughs, Butler, and sometimes near Card, Bear, Brin, Benford, Clark, which I guess is ok. Lot of "B" authors though. :-)

(I could go with Burt Andrews as a pen name to get near Asimov, I guess, or just go for the bolder Andrew Asimov... :-)

Anyway, Howard's writing is futuristic SF.

As for obscurity as an enemy, it is a problem, certainly. Marketing is critical to success of just about any venture. (Speaking as a businessman who's launched a lot of [successful] ventures.) However, if everyone were giving away free ebooks, that would change the dynamic: Right now you've got a handful of authors doing it, and because it's novel, it works. I'm not sure it scales up, the "What If Everyone Did It?" question. There'd be a morass of free promo material, and we might be back to the level playing field of, e.g., shelf after shelf of books in a bookstore -- hard to stand out in that crowd (though even worse if you aren't there). There's already a fair amount of free SF online, see e.g. www.sfwa.org/fiction ; it's already hard to stand out in that crowd. (So you need some unique angle again... which works until everybody does it... :-)

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[info]annafdd
2007-04-13 05:06 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, I will just point out that he has reasons to resent people who actually read, instead of buying printed paper, because from this, he is a TERRIBLE writer. I am at the bitter end of a post-con bug of exceptional virulence, but I doubt that was the only reason my eyes glazed over at least three times while I attempted to read this.

I can say, after having finally located and read the actual content of this long piece (having waded through much irrelevant bibliographical information) that this dude can't have a clear idea of what work for salary means. I have been often in the position, as a translator, to compete with bright young things that were so enamored of the job that they would work for free or almost for free. I was never seriously inconvenienced by them because translation is skilled work and any editor worth their salt knows the difference between a translator who has those skills and one who hasn't.

Now with unskilled labor, or labor that requires less skill, things are different. They are not as easy or clear cut as Hendrix makes them. Our industry is right now in the process of being substantially offshored to developing countries, where of course, the cost of labor is infinitely lower than what it is here. Despite the understandable resentment this has caused, none of us has thought of calling our Indian colleagues "scabs".

The fact that writers are not, for the most part, paid enough to leave the day job is no fault of free content on the web. Truth be told, the only time I can think of when they were was when they were kept by an aristocrat that they entertained and praised. I for one am not eager to go back to those days.

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[info]hkneale
2007-04-14 02:10 pm UTC (link)
...my eyes glazed over at least three times while I attempted to read this.

So did mine. After the first paragraph and a half, I skipped ahead several, to discover he was still talking about himself.

Blah, blah, blah, blah. The ego is strong in this one.

Yanno, I'd never heard of him until today. If I'm lucky, I'll not hear of him again.

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[info]cpolk
2007-04-13 05:10 pm UTC (link)
just the the green hell was the point of THIS?

There are no words. I never heard of this guy - not a breath, until just now - and he's the current vice president of the SFWA.

jesus. this organization is even worse off than I thought. I did not believe that it would be able to produce a personality more odious than the person who single-handedly convinced me that I didn't want to join SFWA a half second after discovering that she was president. simply because she was president. any organization who could vote in someone that unpleasant...

but not only was that particular incredible lapse of judgement performed once, apparently it's happened again.

y'all voted for this guy?

really?

who was the alternative? do I really want to know?

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[info]oneminutemonkey
2007-04-13 05:28 pm UTC (link)
That was my reaction as well. I HAVE heard of Mr Hendrix's books, but I honestly can't say I've read them. I'm ... pleased(?) that he continues to have a viable career and has had books published recently, but for whatever reason, he's just a footnote on my brain. I suspect this is because in this day and age, I pay a lot more attention to authors with a web presence. Always have, ever since the days of GEnie, and even now, if I see an author on LJ, I am -much- more likely to pick up one of their books out of curiosity and an increased feeling of comraderie.

Mr Hendrix has expressed a rather distasteful attitude to which he is perfectly entitled, and in return, I am perfectly entitled to hate said attitude. Hmm. Y'know, I don't see where this rant of his helped him any any way, shape or form.

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(no subject) - [info]harmonyfb, 2007-04-13 05:39 pm UTC
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A rant about reviews - [info]duskpeterson, 2007-04-13 07:23 pm UTC
Re: A rant about reviews - [info]aburt, 2007-04-13 07:55 pm UTC
Re: A rant about reviews - [info]oneminutemonkey, 2007-04-13 08:12 pm UTC
Re: A rant about reviews - [info]duskpeterson, 2007-04-13 08:41 pm UTC
Re: A rant about reviews - [info]oneminutemonkey, 2007-04-13 08:06 pm UTC
Re: A rant about reviews - [info]duskpeterson, 2007-04-13 09:07 pm UTC
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[info]oneminutemonkey
2007-04-13 06:03 pm UTC (link)
Just to add onto the things I've already said:

1)I apologize for repeatedly calling him "Mr. Hendrix." Clearly, he wishes to be referred to as "Dr. Hendrix." Please read all instances of the former as the latter instead. Thank you.

2)Just curious, does he always write in multiple person format? ("My fifth novel, The Labyrinth Key, appeared from Ballantine Del Rey in April 2004. His sixth novel, The Spears of God, was published by Del Rey in December 2006." "For book-length print work, my agent is Chris Lotts at Ralph M. Vicinanza, Ltd in New York. For film, his agent is Vincent M. Gerardis of Created By, in Hollywood, CA.") Or did someone edit his bio along the way?

3)Everyone else has made my other points just as, if not more, effectively.
However, I will point out like some of the others that even though Dr Hendrix is the current SFWA VP, he no more represents them, than some snake-handling, tongue-speaking hillbilly preacher represents the Christian faith. To each their own (and I apologize if anyone here really is a snake-handling tongue-speaking hillbilly preacher) but he's definitely a fringe-dweller as far as SFWA goes. Don't think less of SFWA just because he got elected. Who knows, maybe we had no other willing suckers that year...

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-13 06:29 pm UTC (link)
I posted what I got. I might've messed up some of paragraphing, because I took out the hard returns at the ends of lines, but I think it's faithful.

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[info]rachelmanija
2007-04-13 06:25 pm UTC (link)
I agree with the part where he compared himself to the Unabomber.

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[info]buymeaclue
2007-04-13 07:58 pm UTC (link)
Ha!

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[info]swan_tower
2007-04-13 07:01 pm UTC (link)
Hmmm. Do I want to snurch deedop's "wikicliki, sick-o-fancy, jerque-du-cercle of a networking and connection-based order" icon, or one that says "Pixel-stained Technopeasant Wretch"? Choices, choices . . . .

On the bright side, while having this posted in the SFWA community may show the ugly face of why a lot of new writers don't join, the balance of the comments here is a good statement that not everybody agrees with Dr. Hendrix.

. . . or, for that matter, anybody. At least that I've seen here.

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[info]oneminutemonkey
2007-04-13 08:14 pm UTC (link)
People who agree with Dr. Hendrix wouldn't be wasting their time on the Internet to begin with (he says wryly). They'd be washing their clothes out back in the stream.

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[info]elenuial
2007-04-13 07:16 pm UTC (link)
In the midst of all this horrified gasping on the internet about a speech that says the internet is evil, I feel almost obligated to point out:

This is why it's more important than ever that young tech-savvy writers get involved with the SFWA.

So you can vote in people who aren't Dr. Hendrix and can steer the SFWA in a proactive direction concerning these newfangled technologies and their impact on the writing world.

I say this, and I'm not even a member. But as most internet pundits will tell you, the most important part of political process is the voters getting involved, and -- perhaps this is just ignorance speaking -- there isn't much of an alternative to what power the SFWA has in terms of the SpecFic writing world. I mean, I've seen the SLF, and I know there are other groups out there, but the SFWA is the one everyone knows about. It's the masthead. And thus it has the power to work for change in the industry like very few other organizations can.

I imagine writers who vehemently disagree with the posted diatribe like Cory Doctorow understand this, and that's why they're involved. It's why I hope to be involved if/when I reach the requisite qualificiations.

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[info]deedop
2007-04-13 08:28 pm UTC (link)
Okay, that's it.

Where do I sign up for the Bleeding Edge Committee?

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[info]willshetterly
2007-04-14 05:41 am UTC (link)
Are you a SFWAn? Email a Board member saying you'd like to do it. I'd love to see it happen, but I am way too overcommitted already.

I suspect that no matter how the election goes, something along that line will arise in SFWA very soon. The need becomes increasingly obvious.

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(no subject) - [info]deedop, 2007-04-14 12:50 pm UTC
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Webscabs?! - (Anonymous), 2007-04-16 12:11 pm UTC
Re: Webscabs?! - (Anonymous), 2007-04-16 10:33 pm UTC

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