Kate Amdahl ([info]kateamdahl) wrote in [info]second_lifers,
@ 2006-12-01 16:07:00
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Secrecy, Identity, Truth and Lies
A lot of Second Life avatars are different from their Real Life counterparts. A lot. Males have female avatars, females (less often) have male avatars, married people represent themselves as single and available, and almost everyone is svelte and trim, with large breasts for the women and bulky muscles for the men.

There are people who fight against this trend, some staunchly, others of us less emphatically. In my case, I've tried to at least keep my breasts to a realistic size. I'd love to compare them to my real life breasts to find out whether I'm in the ballpark, but there's no easy way to do that unless someone out there has a scripted prim measuring tape they can loan me!



For this entry, I've gotten kind permission to post Second Life and Real Life
pictures of seven residents side-by-side. Here's Aur.


Anyway, it's all up for grabs: age, weight, race, marital status, sexual preference, personality ... you name it, someone in Second Life is appearing differently in that way than in Real Life. Let's call this kind of thing "identity bending."

And there are all kinds of schools of thoughts on what "should" and "should not" be the rule of thumb for different kinds of identity bending. This gets tricky, because there are all kinds of issues that come up. Some people are freaked out by or condemning of gender bending in any form; many people aren't interested in getting involved with someone who's married in Real Life; and even well-intentioned people might be a little disturbed to find out their petite, girlish lover is a 350-pound 55-year-old in Real Life.



Casidy Craig in Second Life and Real Life. In Real Life, Casidy is
transgendered, female to male.


So some people hide their Real Life identities, and other people lie about their Real Life identities. I'm one of the hiders: my Real Life and my Second Life aren't allowed to mix, because in my Real Life I'm not interested in having to defend my habit of blogging about sex and all the other fun things I get to do as Second Life me. I'd do it if I had to, but in the end it would be more trouble than it's worth.

It might be useful before we plunge much deeper into this to reflect that there are really two different types of reasons someone might not want to mix Second Life and Real Life. One reason is because the person doesn't want their Second Life to affect their Real Life, as with me. The other is because the person doesn't want their Real Life to affect their Second Life, which usually means that they differ in some substantial way from their avatar, for instance in gender or marital status.



Fenix Harbinger, matching closely in both lives


There's no question that some people would be very disturbed to find out that a friend-or especially a lover-is the opposite gender of their avatar, but it's hard to make an ethical case for objecting to this if the gender bending person doesn't claim their Real Life self is the same as their avatar. It comes down to asserting that people who bend gender should always reveal that in their profile because people who associate with them in Second Life may feel bad otherwise-but it's just as defensible to say that people who aren't comfortable with gender bending friends should stick to friends who have declared their Real Life gender already. In either case there's that bad old pitfall "should." Regardless of what you believe is morally best for people to do, a lot of people (in this case) are going to do the exact opposite. Many people will have avatars of a different gender than their real life selves without making that public knowledge, and many people will assume that avatar gender is the same as Real Life gender even though that's a lousy bet in Second Life. Ultimately we can't expect each other to conform to our personal codes of conduct. All I can suggest is that being as honest as we reasonably can and as open-minded as we reasonably can is likely to be a big help.



Keiko Takamura


The gender issue especially is more complicated than it might seem at first. First, there's the whole prejudice issue. If a person's profile is one gender and their "1st Life" tab says another gender, they are likely to be opening themselves up for abuse from random passersby which you could argue isn't really deserved. Second, there's the experiment part. If a man is trying to find out what it's like to be treated like a woman, or a woman is trying to find out what it's like to be treated as a man, the results aren't likely to be very accurate if everyone knows that the person's Real Life gender is different from the avatar's gender.

And being able to be different and to experiment are some important advantages of Second Life. Yet for all of that, some people always will be disturbed if they discover a friend is bending gender, and there's probably no way around that short of complete cultural transformation.



Lisse Livingston


Another thing that might be helpful to think about is this: sometimes people aren't given the option of keeping quiet; they must either lie or be silent and revealed. If someone asks a male avatar "Are you a guy in Real Life?" and the person is female in Real Life (or more confusingly still, transgendered!), then just refusing to answer the question or saying "I prefer to keep my RL private" is usually going to be taken as an alternate version of "no, I'm not." That cuts the options down to revelaing or lying, with no privacy in the middle. So if you feel people deserve privacy on these things, don't ask those questions!



Marianne McCann. This is an old picture of her, of course. As you can see, Marianne's avi is a child, too.


(I tried hopping into a male avatar for about an hour once. I stayed only with friends while doing it, and everyone knew who was really behind the wheel. I actually didn't find it appealing *at all*, but I understand there may be a greater appeal for men trying on female avatars. After all, we are prettier than they are! With the exception of the occasional Orlando Bloom, of course.)

I've sometimes seen people confuse "honesty" with "disclosure," and this is a mistake. For someone to decline to reveal something about themselves is not a lie; it's privacy. So a 50-year-old Asian male who goes around in a 20-year-old Caucasian female avi is not lying by doing that. That's bending genders and ages, not bending truth! Of course he *could* lie about it too, and that's a different matter.



Maus Ennui. Like Fenix, a close match in both lives.


Marital status is a more serious issue in some ways because many people (raises hand) don't want to have any part in someone else's marital infidelity. If you have an open marriage or are legally separated or what have you, that's fine by me (though not by everybody!). But otherwise it's a problem because people can get enticed into an immoral act without knowing it's immoral. (That is, if the sex itself isn't immoral by their standard, but cheating is.)

As to appearance and age, Second Life avatars are clearly designed with the assumption that they'll be relatively young and relatively svelte. I would be happy for my avatar to look my actual age (mid-thirties) instead of the default 25-or-so we all seem to look, but I don't know any way to age myself attractively in Second Life. And it's even harder, presumably, when everyone else has physically idealized, young avatars. Well, almost everyone! I've seen older and heavier avatars very occasionally, but I'm not sure in those cases that they represented a closer match to their Real Life counterparts; they may just have been experimenting.

In the end, it's probably helpful to think of Second Life as a place where it's fun and interesting to experiment with identity. If instead we get in the habit of assuming that everyone is showing their Real Life self, I think we invite trouble, because that's definitely not the case! At the same time, it's hard to go wrong with honesty when you can get away with it.

^^^\ Kate /^^^



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[info]grizzygriswold
2006-12-01 09:20 pm UTC (link)
Great post, Kate! I think that the prevalence of men with female avatars over the prevalence of women with male avatars also has to do with the fact that society has more experiences/activities/things that are uniquely feminine than things that are uniquely masculine so there is a greater difference in male to female than female to male, but I could be completely full of it there. It just seems that there are more things for me to experience for the first time than there are for women. Also I have to say that sl is generally better to women in general than men. Other than the constantly being flirted with (mostly by socially awkward newbies) women seem to have the advantage culturally in the sl world. I learned that during my brief attempt at having a male avatar. I couldn't even find any clothing that I would actually wear irl and I just dress like the average guy irl.

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[info]neaira
2006-12-01 09:27 pm UTC (link)
Cool post! Also, I never realized I was making a funny face in that picture I gave you. ^_^;

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[info]evilbecca
2006-12-01 09:57 pm UTC (link)
while in SL i look different than i do in RL there are many things that are the same. I would wear everything my SL self would in RL. I have a nose stud just like my SLself, I am a brunette and many other things...
here is a pic :D
in SL im Sparklybecca Pomegranate and in RL im becca =)

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[info]neaira
2006-12-03 06:00 am UTC (link)
I have that dress! Dazzle, right?

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[info]evilbecca
2006-12-03 06:10 am UTC (link)
ya!! i love it so much - im obsessed with flexi babydoll dresses

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[info]vampwillow
2006-12-01 11:26 pm UTC (link)
Well my SL avi is like my RL avi in many ways - hair colour, height (though everyone seems taller-than-reality in SL anyway), eye colour and fashion sense. Body proportions are also similar which means I'm not quite the slim svelte thin thing that many are. Age though is another matter as, as you note, there appears to be no easy mechanism to 'age' an avi. Yes, I can make my boobs flop more (I'm an E cup IRL and they do, so they should in SL too) but otherwise I suppose I present about 20 years younger than I now am (chronologically I'm 50, sociologically about 32 ;-P ) and whilst I'm happy to mix SL and RL - I'm 'me' and I don't hide which is which although I'm not an escort in the 'real' world - I'm not trying too hard to keep them apart either.

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[info]keikotakamura
2006-12-02 12:54 am UTC (link)
TakaMura. >____< Keiko TakaKura is someone else entirely >__________________

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[info]kateamdahl
2006-12-02 02:28 am UTC (link)
Sorry, hon! I'll fix that.

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[info]acid_rose
2006-12-02 01:08 am UTC (link)
i decided to experament with my avvie and trying to make a real version of myself in game to an extent.


in game version

real life me

except for a few differences they look pretty similar.

though this is how i usually look:

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[info]acid_rose
2006-12-02 01:12 am UTC (link)
oh and i forgot to mention. where most women make their boobs scary and huge, i made mine small. why? well i have huge ones irl and i hate them so i figured it would be nice to have smaller ones for once :D

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[info]roque
2006-12-02 03:40 am UTC (link)
1) may I just say that you are hot? in RL and SL. :)

2) may I also ask where is that place in SL that you're pictured, that has the little white dolls (or the forest-creatures from Mononoke, whichever they're supposed to be)?

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[info]acid_rose
2006-12-02 04:43 am UTC (link)
1. thank you :D

2. the place i'm at is called grendel's children, a store that sells weird doo-dads and monster avatars.(those kodama back there are really shoulder pets that we just kinda rezzed for decoration) it's owned by my best friend flea and i work there as a sales rep :)

and if you wanna get there (since search is down) search the map for chima and float around until you see the gigantic dragon sitting atop a large prim tree :D

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[info]roque
2006-12-02 10:24 am UTC (link)
hey, thanks! :)

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[info]blacksunshine13
2006-12-02 03:37 am UTC (link)
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i think we are pretty close...

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[info]personal_mythos
2006-12-02 05:53 pm UTC (link)
I haven't been on in a long time (and I probably still won't be for a while), but I found sl to be a lot of fun when experimenting with identity.

My avatar varied a lot, from similar to me to various furries, to male avatars, etc. But I found that the thing I was the most attached to about my appearance was my height. It didn't feel like me if it was tall. Gender, skin color (including unrealistic ones) or even species mattered less (I still preferred female avatars, though).

Whoda thunk it?


I also "overheard" some people chatting about getting cup size from the numbers in the customizer (something like "You're a 65? That's a (insert cup size here))

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[info]moon_custafer
2006-12-04 05:20 am UTC (link)
My av's breasts are definitely larger than mine, but then she's generally larger (and purpler) than me. Strangely the person most weirded out by my choice of skin colour was a blue skunk.

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[info]moon_custafer
2006-12-04 05:22 am UTC (link)
Here's RL me.

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[info]grizzygriswold
2006-12-04 01:47 pm UTC (link)
Other than the lack of purpleness you look a lot like your av.

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[info]moon_custafer
2006-12-04 05:31 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, that's what everyone says. She's decidedly more muscular/curvy, though - but I only have head shots on hand so I can't show you.

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[info]moon_custafer
2006-12-04 05:35 pm UTC (link)
Grr! and of course the moment I post this my co-worker looks over my shoulder and asks if it's me.

It's not like I even have anything worth hiding, it's just that I get tired of having to explain details of my life to her.

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[info]fenix_harbinger
2006-12-04 03:48 pm UTC (link)
Well done.

I think it all comes down to one thing...

The closer the relationship becomes, the greater the need for honesty and full disclosure. This is true in RL as well as SL.

This is a *great* assessment, well worded, thoughtfully penned. Awesome job!

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Compelling Statements
[info]andistoraro
2007-01-10 07:11 pm UTC (link)
There is one thing to be considered in all of this that transcends the arguments I'm seeing. That is, this place we're talking about is called *Second* Life. In SL we have been presented with an excellent opportunity: to "right the wrongs" perpetrated upon us by others, by "fate", by "luck", by circumstances, even by God and Nature. Why would anyone want his or her or its Second Life to look just like his or her or its Real Life? Does one really need two identical lives, one lived on land the other in ether? For me, my "reality" in SL is irrespective of my "real" reality. If someone is a young, beautiful bi-sexual girl, or a ripped handsome man in SL, then that is all that matters. The only reality in SL is the SL reality.

Consider for a moment that we (irl) live parallel existances in multiple dimensions. Whether you believe that is possible or not, it is. We do it by living in SL. What difference does how I'm living my life in any other dimension affect the one I'm currently experiencing?

Do I allow any of my rl existance to "spill" into SL? Of course. But I hope that I only bring the best and most important aspects of myself there, which has very little to do with this earthly vessel I carry around.

Peace and love to all...

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Re: Compelling Statements
[info]kateamdahl
2007-01-12 03:04 am UTC (link)
Well, Second Life means different things to different people. So the reason some people would want to look the same in Second Life as in their First Life would probably be because that's the form they most enjoyed taking, or because they valued being a single individual instead of a couple of different individuals. And what's wrong with that? Nothing at all!

I understand that for you (and largely for me), Second Life reality is the one that matters. Other people don't happen to feel that way, so I don't really see that any one particular person's point of view trumps anyone other person's where this is concerned.

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