eshqi ([info]eshqi) wrote in [info]seattle,
@ 2007-01-05 08:40:00
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Seeking Seattle Freeze stories
Looking for people who have experienced the social phenomenon known as the Seattle Freeze (see this article for an explanation: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/pacificnw/2005/0213/cover.html).

Specifically looking for a few people who are able to tell a story (or relay many smaller incidents) about having encountered this and how it has affected you a great deal (did you move away because of it?), and be comfortable telling your story in front of a camera.

This is purely volunteer/non-paid for a short film project.

edit: email if interested.



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[info]scearley
2007-01-05 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Seattle Freeze? Never heard of it.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

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[info]iheartretards
2007-01-05 07:57 pm UTC (link)
if I saw someone beating someone else up I'd think "shit, he must have fucked up real good" and keep walking.

not my business.

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(no subject) - [info]itzprankish, 2007-01-05 08:28 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]itzprankish, 2007-01-05 08:49 pm UTC
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(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2007-01-05 10:19 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 11:08 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]spinininseattle, 2007-01-06 12:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 08:41 pm UTC

[info]obscurist
2007-01-05 04:56 pm UTC (link)
Somehow I doubt this is unique to seattle.

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[info]imperator_mei
2007-01-09 05:18 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I'm totally with you on this. What's interesting about the Seattle Freeze phenomenon is that so many people in Seattle are obsessed with it. I mean, someone please show me the city where everyone is genuinely friendly and can't walk down the street without issuing at least two invitations to dinner per block.

Geh.

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[info]inkprincess
2007-01-05 05:08 pm UTC (link)
I haven't made one IRL friend since I moved here (2 years today, actually!) LOL

maybe it's because i'm a tattooed freak though, and not the freeze. :)

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[info]teh_dirty_robot
2007-01-05 05:29 pm UTC (link)
Really? Are you reaching out to people? Are you going out at all? Do you work? I've lived here for 3 years and have made lots of friends--I've found the dating scene here to be really tough, but that's probably because I'm batshit crazy and also not the freeze. :D

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(no subject) - [info]inkprincess, 2007-01-05 05:51 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_dirty_robot, 2007-01-05 07:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]inkprincess, 2007-01-05 07:22 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_dirty_robot, 2007-01-05 08:43 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]inkprincess, 2007-01-05 08:47 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_dirty_robot, 2007-01-05 08:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]inkprincess, 2007-01-05 09:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xaotica, 2007-01-06 03:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 08:02 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_dirty_robot, 2007-01-05 08:31 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 08:39 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]teh_dirty_robot, 2007-01-05 08:53 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 09:16 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xaotica, 2007-01-06 03:21 am UTC

[info]joandirk
2007-01-05 05:42 pm UTC (link)
Hey, let's do something sometime. :)

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[info]joandirk
2007-01-05 05:41 pm UTC (link)
("Not from Seattle" is the "Your mama" of Northwestern insults.)
Oh come on. Personally, I think that's ridiculous. Do any of you agree with the above statement?

Sixty percent of us here today are from out of state.
Then I guess the freeze is not coming from just the natives then, is it?

I always thought I came off a little abnormal, being truely cheerful to people instead of just nice.

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[info]obscurist
2007-01-05 05:46 pm UTC (link)
I think that the not from the seattle thing used to be more of a stigma than it is now. If people are still bent about that then do you really want to be their friend anyways?

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(no subject) - [info]joandirk, 2007-01-05 05:50 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]nabinea, 2007-01-05 06:06 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]joandirk, 2007-01-05 06:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]bodyparts, 2007-01-06 08:02 pm UTC

[info]mr_sadhead
2007-01-05 05:51 pm UTC (link)
I've seen it in action. Some not-from-here says "Pike's Market" and it's open season.

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[info]kent
2007-01-05 06:22 pm UTC (link)
That's not "the Seattle freeze." That's a visitor not noticing that no signs, no tourist maps, and no guidebooks call it "pikes market" (as the deleted poster did). There's no such thing. It's a public market at Pike Place.

Pike Street and Pike Place are named after a person, a builder named John Pike, but it's not his market. It was formed much later.

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(no subject) - [info]mr_sadhead, 2007-01-05 06:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]speedofthought, 2007-01-05 10:48 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kent, 2007-01-05 10:57 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]speedofthought, 2007-01-05 11:05 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]kent, 2007-01-05 11:13 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]mr_sadhead, 2007-01-06 12:07 am UTC

[info]madefromscratch
2007-01-05 06:06 pm UTC (link)
To put the seattle freeze in perspective, let's compare/contrast it against a certain unnamed east coast city and it's rural addendum.

In this city we shall call metropolis, if you say hello to someone, they'll either laugh at you with their friend, or they'll roll their eyes and whatever you. If you make eye contact, you'll have three husky types asking you 'what the f are you looking at?' And a firm handshake or spontaneous hug for a greeting leaves things awkward and stalled out.

Now, drive fifty miles or so outside it's city limits, and it's a different story. People wave at you as you drive down the road. People frequently stop you to ask something, or to just say hello. You have arms thrown around your shoulder, and people who give you daps that you've never met.

Seattle is some sort of insane mash-up of the two. Not to say people never look you in the eyes, because they do. The ones who don't. The ones that snub. The ones who attack viciously when they perceive phantom attacks in the form of casual conversation. Well, those types aren't worth knowing usually. So it's all good, except for the aforementioned moments where people ignore criminal violence right in front of them and let good people get hurt, because it's too painful to get involved.

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[info]inkprincess
2007-01-05 06:15 pm UTC (link)
very true! i now live in a small rural community in Gig Harbor and everyday when i walk my daughter to the school bus stop we get waves. it was kinda freaky at first! lol.

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(no subject) - [info]alanscottevil, 2007-01-08 10:30 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]madefromscratch, 2007-01-09 07:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]alanscottevil, 2007-01-09 01:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]madefromscratch, 2007-01-09 05:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]alanscottevil, 2007-01-10 04:51 pm UTC

[info]sgtred
2007-01-05 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Like the article says, "Sixty percent of us here today are from out of state. "

The problem isn't us, it's you.

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[info]madefromscratch
2007-01-05 06:38 pm UTC (link)
who?

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(no subject) - [info]mcfnord, 2007-01-05 10:20 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]henry, 2007-01-05 11:58 pm UTC

[info]gomezticator
2007-01-05 06:37 pm UTC (link)
We've discussed it at length here in the past but I'll add this:

While this phenomenon does exist in other cities, there is much more passively hostile attitude from Seattlites, almost arrogant, that you will see of similar urban places. There's a more self-righteous, holier than thou attitude that combined with the underlying insecurity, leads people to develop very thick comfort zone bubbles into which they don't want to let anyone new.

The fact that the population is 75% white, highly educated on average and provincial to a fault may all play some role as well.

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[info]heinousbitca
2007-01-05 06:54 pm UTC (link)
i think that also plays in to how people in intentional communities have no problems making friends (and often ridicule people who do), but i feel like the rest of us who are more boring are kinda screwed.

i had the foresight to make sure i knew people here before i moved, and a good 50% of them are still around, so it's not like i have issues, though occasionally i wonder what it's like to interact with new people...

..and then i put my headphones on, put my back to the door, and huddle over my computer. mostly because it feels like all the "new people" who try to interact with me either want to talk about Jebus or are middle-aged guys trying to get into my pants. i ponder letting my guard down now and then but i pay dearly every time i do, and i think most other people fall right into that problem and it only thickens the bubble. it's always funny bitching about the problem when you're part of the problem, and yet i'll be honest and say that there's no way i'd ever strike up random conversation on the bus anymore because of how bad it's fucked me over both times i've done it.

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(no subject) - [info]gomezticator, 2007-01-05 07:03 pm UTC
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[info]gypsykat
2007-01-05 06:54 pm UTC (link)
I honestly have never experienced this freeze. Not now, not when I moved here.

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[info]gomezticator
2007-01-05 10:16 pm UTC (link)
And that's all you have to say, which doesn't really say anything. What do you do? Did you have friends/family here? Are you one who likes to go out a lot, or are your social expectations lower? Dismissive statement with no elaboration is inself dismissable.

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(no subject) - [info]gypsykat, 2007-01-06 05:37 pm UTC
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[info]iheartretards
2007-01-05 07:44 pm UTC (link)
I always figured this was normal. Until my boyfriend was telling me otherwise. He is from Arizona and came up here about a year ago ready to meet people. He'd get a phone number and call them a few days later to hang out or whetever and nothing. They'd always be busy and never call him back. Or I'll give someone my number but I don't really ever expect them to call me. I don't have many friends, but I have many friendly acquaintences. He has a huge social circle back home. I have a few people I invite over for dinner.

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[info]iheartretards
2007-01-05 07:44 pm UTC (link)
oh and ALL of my friends are imports.

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(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 07:46 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 07:49 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xaotica, 2007-01-06 03:29 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-06 05:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 07:59 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]xaotica, 2007-01-06 03:28 am UTC
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(no subject) - [info]xaotica, 2007-01-06 07:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]gypsykat, 2007-01-06 07:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]splitpeasoup, 2007-01-07 04:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]syukton, 2007-01-05 10:58 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]iheartretards, 2007-01-05 11:09 pm UTC
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[info]yummykit
2007-01-05 08:34 pm UTC (link)
never experienced this when i moved to seattle....i'm not incredibly outgoing and even i managed to make some great friends! amazing.

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[info]devilsfood
2007-01-05 09:32 pm UTC (link)
I've noticed this happening (and I'm a native), but I'm pretty sure I'm socially retarded anyway.

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[info]mikeatron
2007-01-05 09:49 pm UTC (link)
The horse is dead, but the stick will never break.

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[info]xaotica
2007-01-06 03:25 am UTC (link)

makes me wonder if the people into this topic are from enumclaw

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(no subject) - [info]imperator_mei, 2007-01-09 05:24 pm UTC

[info]speedofthought
2007-01-05 09:57 pm UTC (link)
I always find this fascinating because Seattle contains some of the most friendly and outgoing people I've ever met. I had to get used to people striking up conversations with me when I might otherwise be minding my own business.

The difference here is that when someone meets an asshole, they attribute the assholity to "Seattle Freeze."

You ask 100 Seattleites if there is a Seattle Freeze, more than half of them will say there is. However, none of them will mark themselves as part of the issue. If some people are colder than normal, who cares? Find some who aren't. Stop making excuses for yourself. If you can't make any friends in this town, the problem is you. I would start with not spreading around your opinion that people in Seattle suck. That might make some of these people want to actually be friends with you.

Been here not even 6 months and I know plenty of kind and gracious people, natives and transplants alike.

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[info]lady_gray
2007-01-05 10:44 pm UTC (link)
Oh yeah. Totally. The music-isolation-bubble, the dating thing, all of it. I've lived here three years (moved in from the suburbs) and I have a large friend group -- but they're all transplants or from other PNW cities.

This isn't to say I don't myself like the Ice-Nice, because I do. It's just a strange phenomenon that takes some getting used to if you aren't already a reserved person.

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[info]spinininseattle
2007-01-06 12:08 am UTC (link)
What? Nonsense. I've lived here 6 months and am having no problems with the natives.

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[info]dinkuss
2007-01-06 01:26 am UTC (link)
The fake PC niceness is actually more annoying than the freeze. I've lived here almost six months and find it difficult to get anyone to actually proceed at a four way stop. And people here knit alone. That's just weird.

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[info]sonoazure
2007-01-06 01:49 am UTC (link)
"And people here knit alone. That's just weird."

Best quote ever, for the day!

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(no subject) - [info]dinkuss, 2007-01-07 04:52 am UTC

[info]sad_mouse
2007-01-06 07:04 am UTC (link)
I moved to Seattle from Australia nine months ago. I really like people from Seattle, they are genuine, sincere and friendly.

However I am sure that you will find enough people with bad experiences to perpetuate the false myth.

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[info]glytterrie
2007-01-06 02:31 pm UTC (link)
When I moved to Seattle I had no problem making friends because I moved here for school, and met loads of people through classes. However, my husband (who is naturally more social and friendly and all around a nicer person to hang out with than I) is having a really difficult time. He works with a majority of significantly older people and the people he does meet tend to be friends with him on a very superficial level. Exactly like the "lets hang out sometime" and then you get ditched every time you make plans. And I don't think it's native Seattleites at all. Most of the ditchers are transplants. It's a good thing my husband and like hanging out with each other.

And I don't think it's the weather either. We're from Portland where the weather is virtually the same and the whole city acts like it's a small town. Everyone knows everyone.

Maybe people here who feel really crappy about not being able to make friends should all move to Portland. Portland was too touchy-feely for me so I like Seattle just fine. :)

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[info]mr_quackenbush
2007-01-07 03:28 am UTC (link)
The seattle freeze is a myth perpetuated by portlanders and other small town types who don't understand that calling up someone you just met and trying to scam an invite to their birthday party isn't very polite in a major city. Every city is like this, there's only a seattle freeze because we live so close to pdx and portlanders persist under the delusion that they don't live in a small town that's not quite comparable to other places.

and then there's the fact that northwesterners in general take things a little more slowly socially and are likely to be put off by anyone who wants to immediately be their best friend after having a couple of drinks at a bar or something.

I've lived in lots of major cities, seattle is no different than anywhere else. it's even better than places like New York, and Boston where people are just generally kind of rude to outsiders.

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[info]splitpeasoup
2007-01-07 04:12 am UTC (link)
While I think terms like "Seattle Freeze" are an oversimplification and a blanket generalization, I think you might be oversimplifying as well.

I lived in Boston for 2 years. Despite its reputation for snootiness, people there did talk to strangers more than they do here. Yes, they were rude in ways that a Seattle person would never be - people there often yell at you, for instance - but for all that they did not make a virtue out of alienation the way people do here.

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(no subject) - [info]alanscottevil, 2007-01-08 10:38 pm UTC

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