chris/CO149 ([info]co149) wrote in [info]seattle,
@ 2005-08-23 13:16:00
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Bus Tunnel Closure
I'm a driver for Metro, and I see that a surprisingly large number of my customers are unaware of the upcoming tunnel closure. Clearly, Metro's marketing department (or whatever they call it) isn't doing their job. And even if they were, they would be doing it in some "politically correct" manner that would hide all the facts you need to know.

So, I'll shout out a few things I know about the closure and, perhaps more importantly, the impacts that closure will have on you and even on people who don't ride the bus.

If any of these things are a surprise to you, call Metro at (206) 553-3000 and ask them why they haven't told you this stuff yet.

Metro makes service changes three times per year. The next service change will be Saturday, September 24, 2005. At this time the bus tunnel will be closed for retrofit in a (perhaps vain) attempt to let trains and buses use the tunnel at the same time. The tunnel will be closed "about two years". You do the math.

Here are some things to remember:

1. 21 additional bus routes will now have to run on surface streets. Most routes will be moved to 3rd Avenue. How do we make room for all these extra buses? We close 3rd Avenue! Well, strictly speaking you will be permitted to drive on 3rd but you will be forced to turn right at the first opportunity. You will not be permitted to turn left. The restriction will only be in effect during the commute times because the City of Seattle demanded a "minimum impact" plan. It's my guess that things will be screwed up enough that there will be further restrictions later on. Anyway, remember this little ditty:
South on Second
North on Fourth

(Yes, I made that up myself.) Only crazy people drive on 3rd anyway. I mean, look at me!

2. Everything you know about the buses downtown will probably be wrong. Metro is using the upcoming chaos to do some important route streamlining downtown. Look for a lot of in-city routes (Fremont, Ballard, Magnolia) to move from 4th avenue to 3rd avenue. Look for the 194 to move to 2nd avenue to join its big brother the 174.

3. Because of all these routes moving to 3rd avenue, buses will only serve every other stop. There will be "blue" stops and "gold" stops, and you need to be aware of which stop you're at. And you need to expect to walk a couple of extra blocks to the bus. Double check the signage to make sure your bus stops there. (Regular users of buses on 2nd and 4th avenues are familiar with the skip stop system. The same concept will now apply to 3rd.

4. If you live on the Eastside and take one of the 520 bridge routes, you'll probably be dropped off on 5th ave instead of 2nd.

5. Please think twice about taking your car downtown. Metro and the downtown business community will no doubt gut me like a fish for telling you this. You should seriously consider making this Christmas an Internet Christmas. Seriously, if you can somehow manage to combine some errands and just drive one fewer day per week, even that helps. (Consider taking the bus on Thursday which seems to be the biggest driving day of the week.)

6. Now, I don't mean to lecture (much) but the jaywalking downtown is just getting terrible. Remember all those cars being forced to turn right to get off 3rd avenue? Please give them a chance to get through. You don't have to do it for them, but please think of the bus stuck behind them trying to get through the intersection. All I ask is that you follow the rules. Cross only when the walk light lights. If it's blinking don't walk, please, *please* stay on the corner. Please. [Insert picture of me on my knees with dry rice all over the floor] And don't cross in the middle of the block. How do you know I won't hit you with all this other stuff going on?

7. Be patient and considerate. Don't stand on your "rights". Let one other person go first. Make a little bit of room. It's going to be a zoo downtown, no two ways about it. Try and remember the next person is as frustrated as you.

8. Help us keep things moving. Be at the bus stop before I get there, have your fare ready when it's time to pay. Please don't run for the bus. We have lots of buses, but you have only one life.

I know some of the details are vague. You're all now worried about where your bus stop is moving to, and I'm sorry I don't have more details. The fact is that some of those details don't exist yet and the ones that do will probably change. Check the website http://transit.metrokc.gov/ frequently and watch for some informative flyers to come out in the second week of September. And I'll check here frequently and try to answer questions. Just remember that us drivers are the last to know anything :-)



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[info]dianada
2005-08-23 08:22 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for this! I knew the tunnel was closing in September, but I too noticed that there is a severe lack in notification.

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[info]slip313
2005-08-23 08:22 pm UTC (link)
lj cut
please be considerate

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[info]feignedapathy
2005-08-23 08:29 pm UTC (link)
This isn't very long, and it's a good post, and not a 'HEY COME TO OUR SHOW OF KOOKY SHIT'.

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(no subject) - [info]grammarcub, 2005-08-23 08:32 pm UTC
Two-way street - [info]mcfnord, 2005-08-23 08:37 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninaf, 2005-08-23 08:44 pm UTC
all right - [info]slip313, 2005-08-23 08:49 pm UTC
Re: all right - [info]jameth, 2005-08-24 05:06 am UTC
Re: all right - [info]jtzapp, 2005-08-24 05:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 03:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]jameth, 2005-08-24 05:05 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]novellas, 2005-08-24 10:49 am UTC

[info]grammarcub
2005-08-23 08:28 pm UTC (link)
If only these service changes would result in a route to Auburn that didn't take four times as long as it does to drive, then I wouldn't have to take my car downtown in the first place. Sigh.

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[info]wesa
2005-08-23 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Work closer to home, or move closer to work.

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(no subject) - [info]grammarcub, 2005-08-23 08:38 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]wesa, 2005-08-23 08:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]grammarcub, 2005-08-23 08:42 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]jameth, 2005-08-24 05:10 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]grammarcub, 2005-08-24 05:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]herbaliser, 2005-08-24 08:37 pm UTC

[info]animimi
2005-08-23 08:36 pm UTC (link)
Thanks so much for this information. I'm sure lots of people appreciate it, even if they don't speak up. I'm not a Metro rider nor do I regularly go downtown (I go to Queen Anne) but I'm grateful for the news for the times that I will have to go downtown.

You should seriously consider making this Christmas an Internet Christmas.

The alternative would be to park near the Seattle Center and take the Monorail to Westlake. Lots of shopping opportunities there and nearby. Or you can always go to, like, the mall (in the 'burbs, that is).

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[info]co149
2005-08-23 11:54 pm UTC (link)
Good plan re monorail. Boy did we miss that when it was down! I hope they can keep from breaking it again...

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(no subject) - [info]mh75, 2005-08-24 11:00 pm UTC

[info]thetar
2005-08-23 08:47 pm UTC (link)
i have made plenty of graphics for the local media regarding the closures but then again very few ever pay attention enough to realize what is going on. what i don't get is why two years? are they rebuilding the entire tunnel? just seems very long.

thanks for the info.

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[info]co149
2005-08-23 11:21 pm UTC (link)
They have to completely demolish the road surface and grade it to a new level, then lay new tracks (the tracks you see down there now were intended for a shuttle tram project that was stillborn. or maybe to get everyone's head around the idea of light rail in the future. please select the idea based on your personal level of cynicism :-))

Also, the electrical overhead needs to be removed and replaced with the "catenary" wire to power the light rail. This likely will require some upgrades to the power equipment, too.

Then, of course, they pile on all sorts of deferred maintenance issues, like water sealing and elevator/esclator upgrades and stuff like that.

For all that, the tunnel will be done almost two years before we see a train go through.

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[info]mediavore
2005-08-23 08:48 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I've been less than thrilled about this, since I have to get from Convention Place to UW, and Metro also cut in half the number of speedy busses going from Broadway to the U-district.

Do you know where to catch an express bus going north anywhere near Convention Place after the tunnel closes?

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[info]co149
2005-08-23 11:28 pm UTC (link)
Alas, I expect it will work like the current Saturday express service where the 71/72/73 makes its last stop at 3/Pine.

I haven't ridden the #49 since it was split from the #7. Have you tried it? What do you think?

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(no subject) - [info]artwdrahn, 2005-08-24 03:42 am UTC

[info]mariquita
2005-08-23 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for this. I'm a regular Metro rider, and I found this very helpful and informative. :)

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[info]ninaf
2005-08-23 09:00 pm UTC (link)
iawtc

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(no subject) - [info]mariquita, 2005-08-23 10:22 pm UTC
acronyms! - [info]mcfnord, 2005-08-23 10:32 pm UTC
Re: acronyms! - [info]gatoloco, 2005-08-23 10:36 pm UTC
Re: acronyms! - [info]solarbird, 2005-08-24 04:37 am UTC
I Aeroplaned World Trade Center - [info]jameth, 2005-08-24 05:13 am UTC
nonsense - [info]mcfnord, 2005-08-25 02:23 pm UTC
Me too! - [info]k_arjuna, 2005-08-23 10:29 pm UTC
Re: Me too! - [info]mschilepepper, 2005-08-24 01:24 am UTC

[info]trixie_wabbit
2005-08-23 09:05 pm UTC (link)
while you are at it, will you please *please* PLEASE remind the other metro bus drivers to STOP at red lights. seriously, if i had a dime for everytime metro busses ran red lights id be richer that bill gates.

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[info]katebate
2005-08-23 09:09 pm UTC (link)
word. I almost got run over at lunch today.

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(no subject) - [info]feignedapathy, 2005-08-23 09:21 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trixie_wabbit, 2005-08-23 09:35 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]ninaf, 2005-08-23 09:32 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]co149, 2005-08-23 11:40 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]trixie_wabbit, 2005-08-23 11:55 pm UTC

[info]spazzychic
2005-08-23 09:10 pm UTC (link)

Well said, thanks for the info, and the rest of my thoughts can be condensed into a single word:

DOOOOOM!

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Thanks for the great information!
[info]see_tree_me
2005-08-23 09:52 pm UTC (link)
Personally, I think things that discourage people from driving downtown are good things. and 3rd ave should always have been a bus/cab only avenue.

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Re: Thanks for the great information!
[info]artwdrahn
2005-08-24 03:41 am UTC (link)
Do you seriously want cabs on the same road as buses? Them drivers are fucking crazy.

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Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 03:51 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]float0n_, 2005-08-24 04:06 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 04:12 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]float0n_, 2005-08-24 04:16 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 04:18 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]float0n_, 2005-08-24 04:21 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]see_tree_me, 2005-08-24 04:07 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 04:11 am UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]kaneda_khan, 2005-08-24 10:01 pm UTC
Re: Thanks for the great information! - [info]prince, 2005-08-24 10:29 pm UTC

[info]crazedcamel
2005-08-23 10:20 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the info, I will remember that downtown will be even more screwed up traffic wise then 'normal'

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[info]gatoloco
2005-08-23 10:37 pm UTC (link)
See - that's why I dont ride the bus: because it's too confusing. I mean, look at all those words you typed there. Gosh :O

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[info]goldfischegirl
2005-08-24 08:39 pm UTC (link)
best icon ever.

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[info]kasmo_sez
2005-08-23 10:49 pm UTC (link)
Excellent post, thank you!

Have you been driving a while? Your icon looks just like the #17 morning driver from the mid-90s.

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[info]co149
2005-08-23 11:41 pm UTC (link)
I've only been driving 5 years.

What you see is the results of the Metro Cloning Project. In the future, all bus drivers will look like me.

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A#1 comment - [info]mcfnord, 2005-08-24 12:42 am UTC
Re: A#1 comment - [info]jameth, 2005-08-24 05:08 am UTC

[info]laleche
2005-08-23 11:35 pm UTC (link)
awesome post! Very useful!

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[info]akbar56
2005-08-24 12:04 am UTC (link)
have you thought about maybe passing on this info to the Stranger/Seattle Weekly? They would be good sources as well to get this out since Metro's Marketing is being stoopid.

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[info]co149
2005-08-24 01:29 am UTC (link)
Interesting idea. Maybe we can all get together and send emails to these papers to the effect of "Oh, Sh*t, the bus tunnel is closing, what do we do??!?" and let them dust off their press passes and scare the rider information folks into thinking people care :-)

I'll pass them the link to this page and see what happens.

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[info]chr0nocidal
2005-08-24 01:32 am UTC (link)
Another sincere but no doubt annoying 'thanks so much for the info' post. It is much appreciated.

I used to take the 7 quite often btw. The 49 is fine when I just need to go to B'way & back, but I used to be able to take the 7 all the way to Rainier Valley and get some work done on the long ride. While I can (perhaps) understand the reason they split the route, I must say it's annoying to have to transfer now.

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[info]float0n_
2005-08-24 04:07 am UTC (link)
Wow, all of that seems so confusing. Is it really beneficial to traffic and transport and all that??

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[info]co149
2005-08-24 04:40 am UTC (link)
Not in the slightest!

At best we can hope that when the tunnel is finished and the buses that belong there are moved back that things will be better. But, as always, things will get worse before they get better...

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(no subject) - [info]float0n_, 2005-08-24 05:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]co149, 2005-08-24 05:30 am UTC

[info]jameth
2005-08-24 05:05 am UTC (link)
This is the best post ever. A++++

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[info]slapthatdonkey
2005-08-24 05:33 am UTC (link)
we have no chance to survive, we will make our time

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[info]alithea
2005-08-24 05:41 am UTC (link)
i take the bus to redmond every day from the udistrict, and from the u to downtown, and to capitol hill, and well, just about everywhere else. i really hope people keep their eye on the prize and strive for a city with above average public transportation.

every time somebody starts complaining about bus service here, i weant to send them to chicago. where a: the bus drivers are crazier than the riders, b: the bus drivers will not hesitate to plow over a car cutting them off, so cars dont cut them off, and c: the intire city would basically cease to exist without the busses and trains. also, you can COMMUTE from chicago to milwaukee. so awesome.

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[info]aml
2005-08-24 07:08 am UTC (link)
portland's bus system uses a similar system for the downtown bus stops, and it works okay. although, i'm sure the changeover will totally suck.

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[info]frogger414
2005-08-24 02:55 pm UTC (link)
suggestion #2 hit home for me, bc I take the 17 home. Thank you for posting this (among your other points) because we all need friendly reminders from our kickass metro drivers!

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[info]goldfischegirl
2005-08-24 08:38 pm UTC (link)
OMFG

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[info]stone_princess
2005-08-24 09:11 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the heads up. Hopefully I'll continue to remain employed north of Denny.

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[info]kaneda_khan
2005-08-24 09:48 pm UTC (link)

Thanks!

Regular users of buses on 2nd and 4th avenues are familiar with the skip stop system.

Irregular users are also familiar with having no damn clue where the nearest stop is, because they weren't listed in the schedule or at the other stops. I hope the blue/gold thing means they're actually going to fix this. Sound Transit lists every single stop on a route, which is far more useful than the "bus will turn south-ish and follow this unlabeled road for a while" maps Metro has tended to publish in schedules.

Please don't run for the bus. We have lots of buses, but you have only one life.

Why, do you see a lot of people keeling over up the block? Bus commuters are already tolerating a large time penalty, but missing a bus could double that even if you can still catch the last bus to your suburb.

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[info]co149
2005-08-25 03:08 am UTC (link)
Well, actually, people have keeled over, people have also tripped over any of the zillion items the city plants in the concrete and in two cases to my knowledge have then fallen underneath the bus. One bus I was riding (before I started) was being chased down by a runner and the driver stopped for him, rather sharpish. This small child near the front literally went flying through the air and hit his head on a stanchion. One trip to the zoo with Grandma turned into a trip to the hospital.

Regarding the time penalty, runners make everyone on the bus wait for them, not just the driver. Then we miss the next light. Now the bus is one (more) minute late, all the riders on that bus are late and all the riders who haven't even gotten on yet are late.

I know how frustrating it is to miss a bus. Three days a week I have to meet another driver on the road and take over for him, and I take the bus to get there. And Metro is ever-so-cranky about me being late to assignments :-)

A bunch of us had this discussion: What if the person running for the bus were a mental health worker who is on her way to prevent a suicide? What if the runner is preventing another mental health worker from preventing another suicide. We decided that all we could do is be as available as possible and not take responsibility for other people. So I do that.

Also you should know that it's a safety policy not to stop at a bus stop twice, except in certain limited situations involving disabled people. Anything that happens (small children flying, rear-end accidents, etc.) goes on my personal record. I like y'all, but you don't get to put my job at risk.

You give the airlines 90 minutes and you give Amtrak 20. All Metro asks is you be at the stop 5 minutes early.

I agree that Metro's maps suck, though.

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