e. ([info]clarice) wrote in [info]seattle,
@ 2004-07-15 21:27:00
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Our former U-district slumlord, Richard Sander, is attempting to extort our entire rental deposit along with an additional $75 for damage that we did not do to the house. We have never delt with something like this before (although we found out after we moved in that this is his general M.O., and has been sued multiple times for witholding deposits) and need someone to point us in the right direction for legal recourse. We are consulting the Studenl Legal services office at the UW, but any additional input would be very much appreciated.



* We are being charged $250 for carpet cleaning, even though the carpet was not cleaned before we moved in (we cleaned it ourselves, in fact) and the original damage report clearly states "stains on carpet" (which there were -- it was covered and remains more or less as it was).

* We are being charged $250 for repainting, although the house was not painted when we moved it. (The walls had primer only, no paint, so we had to paint them ourselves)

* We are being charged for yard waste removal for a pile of lumber refuse that he -- the landlord -- hauled to the property before we moved in.

* We are being charged for yard maintance, even though we moved before we moved out. The yard looked as it did when we moved in, with the only overgrowth being around the pile of lumber he left (as one can't really mow around that.)

I am wondering, specifically, if we have any legal recourse to refute and of these fees. I'm not sure it matters, in the legal sense, but none of our appliances worked, he did not fix our heat despite being notified in writing as well as verbally, and he knew of a frequent, recurring pipe problem that caused raw sewage to spew into our living area, and yet did nothing to stop it (nor did he clean up the mess). The oil heater had not been cleaned for over 25 years, as well, which is not safe or healthy.



...At any rate, I'll just reiterate that this man is the worst landlord imaginable, and should be avoided at all costs. He manages several properties in the U-district, and has made a practice of profiting off of students and other people he assumes will not or do not know how to sue him.



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[info]tanukisuit
2004-07-15 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Thank you for the warning! What a horrible person.

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 09:53 pm UTC (link)
Yup, he's a millionare, too, and he's probably involved in tax fraud or sheltering (our old house and another on the block were purchased for $800,000). I'll bet he doesn't have raw sewage spewing right outside his bedroom, either.

I mean, if I don't get my money back it's crappy but not the end of the world; I'd almost more like to make sure that no one ever rents from him again. (...and if we can sue him, that would be nice, too.)

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[info]drspooky
2004-07-16 05:59 am UTC (link)
You most likely can. Most states have specific laws surrounding the itemization and return of a renter's deposity. For instance: In Pennsylvania, you can't charge a tenant for cleaning a carpet if they've occupied the unit for more than a year because it fall under standard wear and tear.

Since Washington is a more progressive state when it comes to landlord/tenant law, I find it hard to beleive that they wouldn't have similar rules. The link to the Seattle Tenants Unions that someone mentioned below would be a good start.

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[info]dararoked
2008-07-17 04:02 am UTC (link)
Best of luck to you in finding this person, Ms Knight and thank you for the warning. I will post this to my own blog.

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[info]mcfnord
2004-07-15 09:50 pm UTC (link)
You can probably win a judgement against him. The short answer is: Go to small claims court. You have a right to sue for damages that are a multiple of what he is stealing from you. I don't remember what the multiple is (x2? x4?). Anyway, this is not a hard case to prove, you just file a claim in the small claims court, and serve the slumlord. Serving him might not be so easy but just have the sheriff do it. People like that deserve to have sheriffs knocking on their door and giving them papers. You are in the right and it always hurts to be treated unjustly, but I want to assure you it's not hard to find a sympathetic judge and make this loser pay.

If you really feel righteous, mail all his tenants. Good luck.

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[info]wesa
2004-07-15 09:52 pm UTC (link)
hm...you know what, i would contact either a newspaper (seattle times or seattle pi) and/or a local tv news station. You could get a lot of publicity for this (bad for that landlord scum). Other than that, I dont have any advice. Good luck.

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[info]damashita
2004-07-15 09:58 pm UTC (link)
King5 is always asking for local news stories... this sure sounds like one. Especially if you have the documentation to cover it.

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 10:05 pm UTC (link)
...we have photos we took when we first moved in (carpet stains, permanent green blob frozen in the fridge, disintegrating walls) but not, as far as I know, of the yard, which is a big chunk of the fee. We could loose on the painting, as well, since we didn't paint it completely stark white (despite the fact that we left the house in better condition than we got it) At any rate, I'm wondering if the fact that he neglected his legal duties as landlord gives us any recourse; I know nothing about the law, so I don't know if we can sue post-fact for these things. At any rate, being served or called by King5 might persuade him to cough up a bit of our money; I'll try that. Thanks.

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[info]wesa
2004-07-15 10:25 pm UTC (link)
did you do a move-in report? I just moved into a rented house, and we had the most detailed move-in report I've ever gone through. At my last apartment, there was no move-in report, the previous tennent fell asleep with a cigarette while high, then burned out that apartment. Everything was brand new, thus no move-in report. anyways, back to the subject: if you did a move-in report, and none of this crap is listed, you might be screwed.

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 11:02 pm UTC (link)
we have a report (it's not in my possession, my former roommate has it) and it does list damages. Because the house was in such a horrid state when we got it, the list runs "stains on carpet", etc, without listing specific little stains and whatnot. Since the original damage report *does* specify stains on carpet (we should have had him write "extensive, severe carpet staining" but hindsight...) I don't see how he can charge us for carpet cleaning (especially that much for it.) I also thought that except in cases of massive neglect or fouling, landlords could only charge for professional cleaning if it was in the lease (and done when the previous tennants moved out).

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[info]wesa
2004-07-15 11:14 pm UTC (link)
one last question, does it say anywhere "non-refundable deposit"? or at least a portion of it non-refundable? first off, get all your info in one place. call King5 or whoever. talk to someone there. then start checking lawyers out or small claims court. keep us posted.

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[info]helloinsomnia
2004-07-16 09:09 am UTC (link)
Well, as far as I know, unless your lease specifically says you are renting the yard, you are only renting the house and any yard maintanence should be taken care of by him.

Trust me on this, because MY U-District slumlord (Geoff Anderson) started replacing the siding on our house, building a deck, and tearing apart the yard without giving us notice and DURING FREAKING MIDTERMS.

After consulting the laws and SLS, by the law we were only renting "the house" and not the "whole property" so what he was doing was totally legal.

Asshole.

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[info]clarice
2004-07-16 12:24 pm UTC (link)
wow -- I didn't know that. I'll definitely check the lease to see if it specifies yard maintanence. Thanks for the tip. (And the U-district is just full of slumlords... I'm glad I'm finally in a place that came to us clean and in good repair so our landlord will have a harder time trying to extort for improvements.)

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[info]watershipdown
2004-07-15 09:58 pm UTC (link)
i'm going through some similar stuff in kansas city!
slumlords blow!
keep me in the loop and let me know how you go after him! and good luck!

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 10:10 pm UTC (link)
nothing makes you want to be a homeowner like slumlords, huh? He seemed decently nice when we signed the lease, too. You just never can tell. We found him through the UW housing office; I really hope former students have just neglected to complain to them directly. I'll be even more pissed if I find out they listed him despite having complaints on file.

At any rate, how are you choosing to pursue it? It looks like small claims or making a small local stink about it are our only two options at the moment.

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[info]watershipdown
2004-07-15 10:21 pm UTC (link)
moving out tonight, actually! my lease runs out at the end of august, and i'm going to have my folks come up and my dad and i are going to do the walkthrough with the landlord to check on whatever things he may want fixed.

it's a strange situation in that the company he's with bought the building a year into my lease, so they didn't really get to see my apartment before they moved in, and hopefully won't charge me for things that were messed up already. plus, they're refinishing all the apartments when people move out, putting in hardwood floors (which is hilarious, as i asked for that and they promised them to me and then reneged that promise, saying it would be "too costly"), and just generally rebuilding the places from the ground up. i would stay if their maintenance crew was halfway competant, but they've ruined more things in my place than they've fixed. i'm slammed him up and down in emails for hiring incompetant labor and whatnot, but it just pisses him off even worse and puts me on his bad side.

thankfully, my new place is a house, the landlords are my roommates aunt & uncle and they're encouraging us to have parties and band practice, which is unheard of for a landlord. they're probably the chillest people i've met in a long time. it's really cool and such a radical departure from where i've been.

anyway, i definitely feel you on all of those things. should i move to seattle one day (knock on wood!) i'll make sure not to rent from him!

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[info]nationalholiday
2004-07-15 10:12 pm UTC (link)
eek, what other buildings does he manage? I am in the process of finding a new apartment and definitely want to steer clear of this cretin.

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 10:19 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure, but he does have at least 5 or 6. The ones that I know of are all houses, but he might have some small apartment complexes or duplexes. I'm sure he's trying to rent our old house on 12th street right now... but other than that, just don't sign a lease from a guy named Sander who's late 50's-ish, tall, white haired :)

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[info]rivendellrose
2004-07-15 10:33 pm UTC (link)
12th street? Which numbers on 12th street does he rent out? I lived in a rental back just behind the Weaving Works for a while, and our landlord (who also was the owner of the house next-door to us) was kind of a dick. Wonder if it was the same guy...

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[info]clarice
2004-07-15 11:04 pm UTC (link)
Might've been. He owns at least 4740 (the short brown one) and the two on either side (a blue two story and brownish two story, the three of which now back up to the new Walgreens) The one directly behind weaving Works I'm not so sure of. Right now it's a crack house.

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[info]rivendellrose
2004-07-16 12:39 pm UTC (link)
Yup, that's the one. I lived in 4736 for a while last year - the 2-story brownish one with the big plum tree. The crack-house was our next-door neighbour... good to hear that all the complaints we sent in about that guy did absolutely no good whatsoever. *grumbles*

Unbe-fecking-lievable.

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[info]jitterbean
2004-07-17 06:39 pm UTC (link)
My boyfriend lives in that house now. Wait, you sent in complaints? To who? I'm Erin's old roommate, and I've got the appointment with legal services. When you guys moved in, were the walls painted? Did he charge you for painting them when you moved out? Because if he did, they were not white when my boyfriend moved in. I'd like to talk to you about him if you don't mind; it could help us build our case.

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[info]rivendellrose
2004-07-17 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I was really only a temporary house guest of sorts in that place, so if you don't mind I'll try to put you in touch with one of the people who actually had the lease - I know they had a lot of trouble with the house, especially in the last few months they lived there, but I don't know a lot of the details from the beginning or the end.

How shall I have them contact you? I know there's some way to reply to a livejournal comment through email, but I haven't done it before...

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[info]immoralusername
2004-07-16 12:18 am UTC (link)
Seattle landlords suck! They are the worst.

Try Fremont Public Association. They will send you a handbook on renter's rights or refer you.

My advise - communicate only in writing & keep copies.

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[info]alicetiara
2004-07-16 01:26 am UTC (link)
Definitely talk to the Seattle Tenants Union - they have helped several friends of mine sue their landlords and it sounds like you have a good case.

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[info]helloinsomnia
2004-07-16 09:12 am UTC (link)
And I know he DEFINITELY can't charge you for money beyond your deposit. So, don't worry about that extra $75, because he legally can't get it from you.

Sounds like you're doing the right thing though, you've got pictures, a move-in report, and lawyer - so a pretty good case.

It sucks that you're going to have to sue for your money back, but you are totally in the right with this one.

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[info]lazyangel
2004-07-16 01:19 pm UTC (link)
ugh i'm sorry you have to go through this. what a total asshat

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[info]clarice
2004-07-16 01:36 pm UTC (link)
yup, and so the litigation begins... It'll be ...um... life experience. Crappy life experience. Yeah.

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[info]kitanaor
2004-07-17 01:58 pm UTC (link)
Let me get this straight: He's charging you for work you did??

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[info]margotheangel
2004-07-18 04:40 pm UTC (link)
Yeah, I won't reiterate everything that was already said, but (a) man, that guy's a jackass, and (b) find your lease, and see exactly what you agreed to. Hope it works out, and do keep us updated.

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[info]i3abyi3oo
2004-07-18 10:58 pm UTC (link)
My former landlord tried to do that too...ITs Campus View Apartments and what they did was charge us for repairing a "large hole" in the bathroom that wasnt listed in the final walk through that we did when we moved out and then they said that they couldnt find the "right shade of paint" (which was white) to repaint the bathroom so they had to repain the whole apartment...anyway, long story short they ended up taking all of our deposit plus part of our parking deposit as well!!

The UW has a student housing services in the HUB that lists tenant complaints so it would be a good idea to go there and list this guy and also to check on possible places you are looking at to see if others has complained about them.. The people who work there can also help you with any housing laws and people to go to if you want to sue this guy and trust me it works!! my friend was the director there last year and we managed to get back most of our deposit.

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[info]garpu
2004-07-19 10:38 am UTC (link)
I've tried listing my run-in with a slumlord with them. No help whatsoever. they may be banned from listing with the SHA, but they're still free to advertise in the "Daily."

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[info]scubathugsteve
2005-08-12 06:56 am UTC (link)
Has anyone heard anything about the the landlord at 4253 8th Avenue? Me and my roommate were in the process of renting it and he originally quoted me a deposit of first and last months rent. But when I went the second time with my mom, he said $400 deposit only. And then after our background check went through, he said we would have to pay $400 PLUS the first and last months rent. He said he "forgot" to tell us, but I dunno...any info would be helpful.

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[info]clarice
2005-08-12 07:28 am UTC (link)
sounds dodgy. If it's your first apartment, though, first + last + deposit is fairly standard. If he's had a lot of complaints against him, his name might be on record with the Seattle tennant's union. It's worth a phone call.

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a day late & $1500 short
[info]t_is_for_tigger
2007-10-10 06:20 am UTC (link)
I just came across this blog and know it was written a while back but would love to hear how it resolved. If the last names weren't different (our ex-slumlord - oops I meand landlord's last name was Burgarraff, so renters be wary!), I'd swear it was my ex-landlord who just ganked me for $1500 in deposits, last months rent and utilities and even sent me a bill for $86 more! hi ho court, here I go...

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[info]forever_emo
2007-11-12 04:57 am UTC (link)
I just stumbled across your entry through google, I was looking up any info I could find on Richard. I've been renting a house from him at 4i6 E. Harrsion Street on Capitol Hill for the past 2 years, soon to be moving out thank fucking god! I've been worried all along that he'll screw my roomates and I on getting any of our deposit back. We've had nothing but problems with him. neglecting to fix our gas furnace, gas leaks, hot water heater, rotting floor in the bathroom. we called the Seattle Housing Autority on him last year and he talked his way out of all the violations on the state of the house they were going to fine him for. On top of that just being a nasty mean asshole. I"m really sorry this happened to you and all the rest of us he's screwed; but it's great to know i'm not alone.
-Amanda

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[info]henrywin
2007-12-03 06:07 am UTC (link)
Only God can change adult...

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