rusam: Ах, наши старые обманы вдруг стали правдою теперь

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rusam,
@ 2006-10-10 03:08:00

Ах, наши старые обманы вдруг стали правдою теперь
Помните ответ армянского радио на вопрос, должен ли коммунист платить партвзносы с взяток? Правильно - должен, если он честный коммунист.

Publication 525, Taxable and Nontaxable Income, 2005, Page 28:
"Bribes. If you receive a bribe, include it in your income."

UPDATE: Bribes привлекли внимание полным совпадением с одним из любимых (в свое время) анекдотов. А вообще там есть перлы не хуже:

Page 30 - Illegal income, such as from money dealing illegal drugs, must be included in your income on Form 1040, line 21...

Page 32 - Stolen Property. If you steel property, you must report its fair market value in your income in the year you steel it unless in the same year you return it to the rightful owner.
Что делать, если ты заявил стоимость украденного, и вернул на следующий год, я пока не нашел:) Какие будут идеи?

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	oldjackaroo 2006-10-10 03:50 am UTC (link)
	Совершенно замечательная находка! :)) Но не могу не попривередничать и не поправить цитату: Ах, наши давние обманы, Вы стали правдою теперь. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	redbut 2006-10-10 02:11 pm UTC (link)
	Sorry:) Городницкий - в отличие от - по памяти и со слуха. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	ничего себе! flutterby__ 2006-10-10 04:05 am UTC (link)
	If you receive a bribe ~~and then you feel very guilty about it~~, include it in your income. (Reply to this)

	vladstar 2006-10-10 04:17 am UTC (link)
	Это просто 5 баллов ! :) (Reply to this)

	kutuz_off 2006-10-10 04:29 am UTC (link)
	All income, whether legal or not, is taxable. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	redbut 2006-10-10 02:14 pm UTC (link)
	What about robbery? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	kruzo007 2006-10-10 02:52 pm UTC (link)
	за что ал капне посадили вкурсе? (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

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	kruzo007 2006-10-10 08:03 pm UTC (link)
	tax evasion of the illigal income (Reply to this) (Parent)

	kutuz_off 2006-10-10 05:25 pm UTC (link)
	Robbery too. Just write it in as "other income", and claim Fifth amendment in description without going into details. Your IRS forms can't be used to prosecute you for anything other than tax-related offences, such as evasion and fraud and so on. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	redbut 2006-10-11 03:30 am UTC (link)
	/claim Fifth amendment in description without going into details/ One more step - you can honestly write robbery in description, and then take fifth. They can not open case without detailes:) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

kutuz_off
2006-10-11 03:53 am UTC (link)

I used to think so too, until I read wiki entry on the 5th. Granted, it's only wikipedia, but anyway

In some cases, individuals may be legally required to file reports that call for information that may be used against them in criminal cases. In United States v. Sullivan, 274 U.S. 259 (1927), a case involving the Federal income tax, the United States Supreme Court ruled that a taxpayer could not use the Fifth Amendment to refuse to file a required income tax return. The Court stated: "If the form of return provided called for answers that the defendant was privileged from making[,] he could have raised the objection in the return, but could not on that account refuse to make any return at all. We are not called on to decide what, if anything, he might have withheld."

In Garner v. United States, 424 U.S. 648 (1976) the defendant was convicted in connection with a conspiracy to "fix” sporting contests and to transmit illegal bets. During the trial the prosecutor introduced, as evidence, the taxpayer's Federal income tax returns for various years. In one return the taxpayer had showed his occupation to be “professional gambler.” In various returns the taxpayer had reported income from “gambling” or “wagering.” The prosecution used this to help contradict the taxpayer's argument that his involvement was innocent. The taxpayer tried unsuccessfully to keep the prosecutor from introducing the tax returns as evidence, arguing that since the taxpayer was legally required to report the illegal income on the returns, he was being compelled to be a witness against himself. The Supreme Court agreed that he was legally required to report the illegal income on the returns, but ruled that the privilege against self-incrimination still did not apply. The Court stated that "if a witness under compulsion to testify makes disclosures instead of claiming the privilege, the Government has not 'compelled' him to incriminate himself."

Sullivan and Garner are viewed by some legal scholars as standing, in tandem, for the proposition that on a required Federal income tax return a taxpayer would probably have to report the amount of the illegal income, but might validly claim the privilege by labeling the item "Fifth Amendment" (instead of "illegal gambling income," "illegal drug sales," etc.)

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goga
2006-10-10 05:14 am UTC (link)

не более, чем зацепка для возможность дальнейшего привлечения к суду - если не за взятки, то за скрытие дохода и неуплату налогов - все одно засудят. из той же серии, что и вопрос в анкете на американскую гостевую визу "намереваетесь ли вы провести террорестические акты на территории сша?"

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	illyn 2006-10-10 08:10 am UTC (link)
	Уловка 22 (Reply to this) (Parent)

	shipyashie 2006-10-10 01:03 pm UTC (link)
	Совершенно верно. Например, Аль Капоне сел не за убийства и т.п., а именно за неуплату налогов. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Bribes pestov 2006-10-10 08:01 am UTC (link)
	Насколько я слышал, в каких-то европейских странах совершенно легально декларировали взятки советским/российским чиновникам. А вот что бы еще и декларировать свои взятки, то это уже следующий шаг. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	Re: Bribes illyn 2006-10-10 08:11 am UTC (link)
	Не то что бы именно советским. Разным заграничным, так скажем. Да, такое бывало (возможно и сейчас есть) — лоббирование только звалось, определённой разновидности. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	Re: Bribes kruzo007 2006-10-10 02:53 pm UTC (link)
	Было в Германии до недавних пор. Им мерседесы приходилось продавать в не самые гмм демократические страны, отсюда и необходимость башлять. Бизнесс экспенс. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	tetushka 2006-10-10 05:43 pm UTC (link)
	Oh, yes, baby! (Reply to this)

	magnitoz 2006-10-11 12:16 am UTC (link)
	Я не уверен, но по-моему я слышал, что это выше 25$ если. (Reply to this) (Thread)

	redbut 2006-10-11 03:24 am UTC (link)
	Ниже 25$ это уже не bribe (взятка), а tip - чаевые:) Тоже, правда, налогом облагаются. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)

	magnitoz 2006-10-13 02:49 am UTC (link)
	Точно :) (Reply to this) (Parent)

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