daddym ([info]daddym) wrote in [info]ru_nlp,
@ 2007-10-21 13:40:00
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Сюрприз, сюрприз
Помнится еще прочитав первую книжку Null-A я испытывал подозрения что автор описывает знакомую ему существующую психологическую систему. Прочитав вторую окончательно в этом убедился, в чистом виде классическое НЛП. А теперь обратите внмимание на год издания:
The Players of Null-A
Null-A, Book 2
A. E. Van Vogt
1948

A normal human nervous system is potentially superior to that of any animal’s. For the sake of sanity and balanced development, each individual must learn to orientate himself to the real world around him. There are methods of training by which this can be done.

General Semantics enables the individual to make the fol­lowing adjustments to life: (1) He can logically anticipate the future. (2) He can achieve according to his capabilities. (3) His behaviour is suited to his environment.

In order to be sane and adjusted as a human being, an individual must realize that he cannot know all there is to know. It is not enough to understand this limitation intellec­tually; the understanding must be an orderly and conditioned process, ‘unconscious’ as well as ‘conscious’. Such a condi­tioning is essential to the balanced pursuit of knowledge of the nature of matter and life,

A child’s mind, lacking a developed cortex, is virtually incapable of discrimination. The child inevitably makes many false evaluations of the world. Many of these false-to-facts judgments are conditioned into the nervous system on the ‘unconscious’ level, and can be carried over to adulthood. Hence, we have a ‘well educated’ man or woman who reacts in an infantile fashion.

Because children—and childlike grownups—are incapable of refined discrimination, many experiences shock their ner­vous systems so violently that psychiatrists have evolved a special word for the result: trauma. Carried over into later years, these traumas can so tangle an individual that unsanity—that is, neurosis—or even insanity (psychosis) can result. Almost everyone has had several traumatic experiences. It is possible to alleviate the effect of many shocks with psycho­therapy

Children, immature adults and animals ‘identify’. When­ever a person reacts to a new or changing situation as if it were an old and unchanging one, he or she is said to be identifying. Such an approach to life is Aristotelian.

In making a statement about an object or an event, an individual ‘abstracts’ only a few of its characteristics. If he says, ‘That chair is brown!’ he should mean that brownness is one of its qualities, and he should be aware, as he speaks, that it has many other qualities. ‘Consciousness of abstracting’ constitutes one of the main differences between a person who is semantically trained and one who is not.

Semantics has to do with the meaning of meaning, or the meaning of words. General Semantics has to do with the re­lationship of the human nervous system to the world around it, and therefore it includes semantics. It provides an inte­grating system for all human thought and experience.

For the sake of sanity, DATE: Do not say, ‘Scientists believe....’ Say, ‘Scientists believed in 1956 ...’ ‘John Smith (1956) is an isolationist...’ All things, including John Smith’s political opinions, are subject to change and can therefore only be referred to in terms of the moment.

For the sake of sanity, INDEX: Do not say, ‘Two little girls ...’ unless you mean, ‘Mary and Jane, two little girls, different from each other, and from all the other people in the world ...’

For the sake of sanity, use ET CETERA: When you say, ‘Mary is a good girl!’ be aware that Mary is much more than ‘good.’ Mary is ‘good,’ nice, kind, et cetera, meaning she also has other characteristics. It is worth remembering, also, that modern psychology—1956—does not consider the placidly ‘good’ individual a healthy personality.

Привел эпиграфы - типа цитаты из учебника.




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[info]egor_b
2007-10-21 11:50 am UTC (link)
...Ну да, все новое, это в нужное время и в нужном месте вспомненное старое :)

Квадратное дыхание Нового Кода НЛП, который появился в 1983 г. оказывается уже давно используется в техниках йоги, которые корнями уходят в другую эру. И, может быть, кто-нибудь из йогов даже решал с его помощью задачи/проблемы по методу аналогичному 4-х шаговой модели Нового Кода НЛП :)
...Но всегда есть те, кому не интересна йога и интересен Новый Код, и потому чем больше современных школ копируют и совершенствуют техники предков наших предков, тем лучше всему человечеству :)

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[info]daddym
2007-10-21 04:49 pm UTC (link)
Как раз всяческие йоги и пр, жалкие остатки былой культуры, это логично. Эффективное моделирование мометально все рациональное из них извлечет, отбросив всяческий шлак преклонения перед гуру и накопившиеся за века деградации ошибки.
А вот в приведенном мною примере получается конкретный артефакт.

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[info]aliar
2007-10-22 07:28 am UTC (link)
Что именно описывалось в книгах 48 г. ?

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[info]daddym
2007-10-22 09:13 am UTC (link)
Вообщето это фантастика, но описание используемых героями психотехник и особенно эпиграфы к главам стилизованные под выдержки из учебника. Вечером приведу цитаты.

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[info]immergent
2007-10-22 10:18 pm UTC (link)
@General Semantics...@

ну вот и ответ - Ван Вогт, значит, хорошо знаком с Общей Семантикой Коржибского (ну, того который "карта - не территория").

А многие идеи Общей Семантики позже были инкорпорированы и развиты в НЛП.

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[info]daddym
2007-10-22 10:39 pm UTC (link)
Спасибо, пробои в карте приобрели более или менее цивиллизованый вид:)

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[info]alex_rex
2007-10-29 09:18 pm UTC (link)
Вообще говоря, вся концепция неаристотелевой логики взята ван Вогтом как раз из общей семантики.
И, кстати, Игроки нуль-А написаны в 1956. Впрочем, это может быть дата публикации. В любом случае, цикл начался в конце сороковых.

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