alliecaulfield ([info]alliecaulfield) wrote in [info]rounders,
@ 2005-06-08 10:12:00
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fatigue
Ok so I went back to the 10-20 game at the local casino last friday and sat down at a very passive/loose table and won 700 dollars. Alot of players who take there hands too far. It was getting late and I was coming back the next morning so I left because I wanted to get some sleep. The next day I sat down, was up and down for a while but still confident and i managed to get +350... then as the hours dragged on (9+) I felt myself getting uncomfortable and fatigued. I was moved to the main game, where there were some tougher players. I felt like three of them were better players who had more experience than I was, but there were still a few loose/awful players. The table struck me as not being nearly as profitable, plus I was nearing exhaustion. I had this good idea that I should leave, cash out, go on an extended break, and come back later in the night. Fresh start. But I didn't do it and I ended up - 300 on the day. I was pretty upset with myself as I had known this but had not trusted my judgement and not acted upon it. What are all of your thoughts on when to quit, quiting while ahead even if the game is good, fatigue, or even my idea of cashing out while ahead and putting my name at the bottom of the list and starting over. (I was thinking it might be a good confidence booster to cash out +350 (so 750 total) and then start over with only 400 in front of me again at a feeder table. Especailly if the main game I'm moved to isnt as profitable.) Sorry for the long post. Thanks.



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[info]dannimal
2005-06-08 05:07 pm UTC (link)
I try not to worry about quitting while ahead. I think that if you need that "boost" from leaving the table "up", you haven't really accepted the idea that it's all one big session.

If I'm tired but still beating the game, I'll keep playing. I will take a "walk break" if I start to get tired, believe I'm still beating the game, but made a stupid mistake. Grab some coffee, clear the head.

My criteria for leaving a game are generally:

- No longer playing well enough to beat the game (for whatever reason. Tired, players changed...)
- Need to be somewhere
- Not having fun

Leaving a game because you were moved to a tougher table, so you can clear your head and re-enter a better table is smart.

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[info]1nvrknoz
2005-06-08 08:01 pm UTC (link)
I disagree with dannimal... feeling confident and positive is just as important as the luck of the cards. I personally like to leave when I'm up; but whether I'm up or down, the second you feel like you're not giving 110% you should walk because that's where you stop paying attention and start to get lazy/desperate/apathetic toward the game.

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[info]alliecaulfield
2005-06-08 09:02 pm UTC (link)
Yeah I'm not sure I buy into the whole one long session thing. To me this is a half baked pseudo-philosophy. It tends to make people think they should keep playing and playing and playing instead of seeing all sides of what it is. Sure it's all one session but you can also play poker now pretty much whenever you feel like it... There are games at the casino from 10AM to 4AM, 7 days a week, as well as poker 24/7 online, not to mention weekly home games and such. IT REALLY HAS BECOME ONE SESSION. You can quit a game and join another one two hours later if you want. If its one long session what difference would it make? Poker is still about plenty of LUCK. Some sessions have a better luck value than others. The way I play is this, if things are working out and I get WAY UP I say to myself ok I'm going to wait for a playable hand in the next three button cycles and if I don't get one I am going home with my huge win. If I get a playable hand and lose despite correct play and positive EV, I am going home. If I win the cycle starts over again. One session I was up 40 big bets and I decided on this method. I got QQ and raised. the one caller (calling station) called me down with 52o and hit a five on the turn and a two on the river. I said "that's my cue" and went home with my money. Any thoughts on this? If I'm totally wrong in doing this let me know what you think.

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[info]1nvrknoz
2005-06-08 09:15 pm UTC (link)
The whole "one long session" thing refers to being "lucky" or "unlucky" and the fact that over time it all evens out; what it doesn't address is fatigue. Your system seems like a pretty good litmus test to see what kind of attention span you're having, though I'd like to think that if I'm counting the hands down until I can leave, it's time to leave because my concentration isn't on the game, it's on how much longer before I should stand up.

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[info]alliecaulfield
2005-06-08 09:37 pm UTC (link)
good point. However, it's more just a system I use to avoid bad luck and mistakes, to set a limit on myself to insure a winning session once I'm up. Still paying attention to the game, I'm just setting a boundary for myself, just as I set boundaries on what cards to play, position, amount of chips I buy in with, etc. Plus that's only if I am WAY up. If im up say a good amount but not tons I'll say ok if I have a bad hand where I lose some money I'm leaving, and so forth. I think of it more as an exercise in discipline.

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[info]axiom_1
2005-06-09 12:12 am UTC (link)
I agree 100% with 1nvrknoz - mood is actually a huge factor in poker. The odds don't change when you're in a bad mood, but two things do:

1. Most people are more likely to ignore the odds when they're in a bad mood. Who hasn't caught themselves thinking, "I don't have pot odds for this draw, but if I could just hit it I'd be on my way to even again", or, "Why the hell did I just throw my money in, that was stupid!" when they're in a bad mood.

2. Poker is just as much about "gut" instincts as odds (is she raising as a free-card play for his draw, or did she just flop a set...). I've been told by someone with a Ph.D. in psychology that it's an accepted fact that inductive reasoning (which is what drives these instincts) tends to be less effective when people are in a bad mood. Once your mood is shot, so are your instincts, so it's time to leave.

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