aubreyweirdsley ([info]aubreyweirdsley) wrote in [info]refinement,
@ 2005-05-21 17:21:00
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MY TRIBUTE TO BONI DE CASTELLANE






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[info]mehdi_caps
2005-05-22 12:31 am UTC (link)
Unbelievable cufflinks. I mean, incroyable cufflinks! ;)

I think he's holding a walking stick in that picture?... Gotta love the don't-bother-me-or-I'm-going-to-beat-the-crap-out-of-you look.

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[info]lord_whimsy
2005-05-22 03:00 am UTC (link)
Hah hah. Bravo! The ascot pin--is that a lion's head? Can't make out the cufflinks very well.

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[info]mehdi_caps
2005-05-23 12:25 am UTC (link)
If I remember, the Incroyables beat the unfortunate people who got in their way with their thick walking sticks... We discussed about that in your journal or this community some time ago. The gutter was in the middle of the street; the plebs were supposed to walk along it, and leave the upper part of the pavement ("le haut du pavé") to the more fortunate. During the Revolution, the poor stopped following that unwritten rule, and during the Restoration, the extravagant aristocrats known as the Incroyables tried to impose back their predominance manu militari...

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[info]lord_whimsy
2005-05-23 03:05 am UTC (link)
I remember you'd mentioned that, yes--but wasn't the heyday of the Incroyables slightly before the Bourbon Restoration? I'm aware that anglomania swept France after Napoleon's defeat, but would that be considered part of the Incroyable era? For some reason, I've always thought that the 'dress codes' of differing partisan groups during the time of the Revolution played a large part in the Incroyable aesthetic. Please enlighten.

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[info]mehdi_caps
2005-05-23 12:11 pm UTC (link)
Oh, I should think a little before posting a comment. :) Actually, it was right after the "Terreur", under the "Directoire" (1795-1799): the guillotine had just been dismantled; one could at last breathe a little. The Inc'oyables and the Me'veilleuses (they didn't pronounce the letter "r") were actually children of the high bourgeoisie, and not the aristocracy like I said. Here's the painting that was the source of our discussion:



(if it doesn't show up, click here)

They called their walking sticks (cudgels, actually) their "excecutive power." ;)

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[info]lord_whimsy
2005-05-23 02:28 pm UTC (link)
My favorite depiction!

Yes, that's what I'd thought to have been the time and class from which les Incroyables et Marveilleuses derive. However, I didn't know about the silent 'r' in their names. Was there a reason for this?

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[info]mehdi_caps
2005-05-23 04:03 pm UTC (link)
They found that more elegant. You know, like in:

"Oh my deaaaah, it's maaaaahvelous!"

Some of them even omitted every consonant, and it was almost impossible to understand them. It was probably like a game. Their jargon was like a coded language.

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[info]lord_whimsy
2005-05-23 04:19 pm UTC (link)
I'd thought that might have been the case.

Speaking of patois among the young: have you come across any verlan?

W

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[info]mehdi_caps
2005-05-24 07:42 pm UTC (link)
I forgot to answer that comment, sorry... Well, I loath verlan. I use it sometimes, though, with words like "tehon" (for "honte" - "shame"):

- Oh, la tehon! (pleasantly, when I find myself in an awkward situation that I nonetheless find funny)

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The Devil is in the details...
[info]aubreyweirdsley
2005-05-25 07:05 am UTC (link)

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Re: The Devil is in the details...
[info]lord_whimsy
2005-05-25 04:06 pm UTC (link)
Very Anton LaVey! The cufflinks especially so. I assume the pin and cufflinks aren't intended as a set, but the similarities are striking.

You really should share your collection with everyone sometime, Weirdsley--I'm sure you have some very interesting conversation pieces.

W

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[info]deadmissbates
2005-05-22 12:49 am UTC (link)
Perfection.

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