Darren ([info]astroboy009) wrote in [info]qc_comic,
@ 2008-06-23 10:53:00
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Current mood:See running man.

conceit vs concept
I don't think he's using the term correctly. That being said, as taken from wikipedia: "a conceit[1] is an extended metaphor with a complex logic that governs an entire poem or poetic passage. By juxtaposing, usurping and manipulating images and ideas in surprising ways, a conceit invites the reader into a more sophisticated understanding of an object of comparison."

So... what is the message that is being conveyed by this extended metaphor? Any ideas?
Or is Jeph just mixing up the Conceit and Concept? Cause it's been driving me wonky since friday...


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[info]hysteric_orange
2008-06-23 02:03 pm UTC (link)
–noun
1. an excessively favorable opinion of one's own ability, importance, wit, etc.
2. something that is conceived in the mind; a thought; idea: He jotted down the conceits of his idle hours.
3. imagination; fancy.
4. a fancy; whim; fanciful notion.
5. an elaborate, fanciful metaphor, esp. of a strained or far-fetched nature.
6. the use of such metaphors as a literary characteristic, esp. in poetry.
7. a fancy, purely decorative article.
8. British Dialect.
a. favorable opinion; esteem.
b. personal opinion or estimation.
9. Obsolete. the faculty of conceiving; apprehension.

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[info]astroboy009
2008-06-23 02:07 pm UTC (link)
2,3, & 4 all sound like they could work. But i still think concept would have been a better choice of words. :/


**note to self, use dictionary.com. ::headdesk::

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[info]ladieophilia
2008-06-23 07:44 pm UTC (link)
Conceit is used when it is something that is on going, where as generally a concept it static. Think of it like this: a conceit is a string that the beads of concepts flows on...

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[info]harpen15
2008-06-23 02:05 pm UTC (link)
I think he means "conceit" in the sense that he's so self-obsessed that if he gets an idea he thinks is good, he'll take it as far as it takes.

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[info]astroboy009
2008-06-23 02:08 pm UTC (link)
nah, i don't think that. I've never met the man, but i would like to think he's not self obsessed any more than anyone else.

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[info]harpen15
2008-06-23 02:11 pm UTC (link)
*take it as far as it GOES. Sorry about that.

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[info]astroboy009
2008-06-23 02:11 pm UTC (link)
haha, didn't even notice that. ~.~

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[info]flynnacatri
2008-06-23 02:08 pm UTC (link)
A concept is more generic... a conceit is ALSO a concept, or collection of concepts, I believe.
A conceit can also be understood as someone's high falutin' and overcomplicated notion/personal hobbyhorse/indulgence, that they think is quite clever (Hence... conceited) - but this whole sequence is certainly an extended metaphorical storyline, and with imagery in interestuing/thought evoking contexts...

also, if you checked the bottom of the article: Other uses
For later literature and film, the term is sometimes used to refer to a device that stretches reality to take advantage of what Samuel Taylor Coleridge called the "willing suspension of disbelief." This usage is seldom seen in formal literary criticism.


And in the wiktionary
Noun
Singular
conceit
Plural
countable and uncountable; conceits


conceit (countable and uncountable; plural conceits)

(uncountable) An over-high esteem of oneself; vain pride..
(countable) Something conceived, especially, a novel or fanciful idea.
(countable) In literature and poetry, a device of analogy consisting of an extended metaphor.

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[info]astroboy009
2008-06-23 02:11 pm UTC (link)
huh, interesting. And i'd buy the 'collection of concepts' idea, but the rest of that is good food for thought as well.

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[info]hysteric_orange
2008-06-23 03:43 pm UTC (link)
i think he's also acknowledging his own wankery tothe extent that any intelligent indie webcomic author who namedrops obscure bands would.

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[info]sophia_helix
2008-06-24 04:21 am UTC (link)
Yeah, it's a slight misuse -- "conceit" is an kind of fanciful suggestion used in a somewhat abstract sense, i.e. "if you accept the conceit that...", or "her thesis is based on the conceit that Lear's madness is actually a metaphor for..." It's almost more of a theory, or a notion being posited.

So, yes, wrong word since he's not arguing anything, although you could say something like "when will I get sick of playing with the conceit that our dreams show what we're really thinking?" and it would be more correct.

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