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Susan Roces Press Conference
Full text of Susan Roces' Speech at Club Filipino, 29 June 2005

Maraming salamat po sa pagdalo ninyo ngayong tanghali. Napakahalaga po para sa akin na kayo ay naririto.

April 14 nuong huli tayong magtipon-tipon dito. Nuon ay inilahad ko sa inyo ang lahat ng nasa aking damdamin sa pagkaka-basura ng Presidential Electoral Tribunal sa kahilingan ko na sana ay maipag-patuloy ko ang protesta ni FPJ.

Ang tanging layunin ko nuon ay malaman ang tunay na nangyari, at kung papano trinato ang mga boto nating lahat.

Hindi lang po para sa akin; hindi lang po para sa aking pamilya; kundi, para sa ating lahat na lumahok at bumoto sa araw ng halalan upang piliin natin kung sino ang ibig nating mamuno sa atin.

Mayroon po tayong kanya-kanyang pinili. Ito po ay ginawa ko, hindi lamang para sa mga bumoto kay FPJ, kung hindi para din sa kani-kanilang ibinotong kandidato.

Kaya lang hindi tayo pinagbigyan. Nalungkot po ako nuon sapagkat kailan po natin malalaman ang katotohanan?

Lumipas po ang panahon, nanahimik po ako na tulad ng sabi ng mga nakaka-alam sa batas. It was legal, but not moral.

Life must go on. Sinikap ko na gawin ang araw-araw na dapat kong gawin, tulad ng dapat gawin ng isang mamamayan. Sinunod ko lahat ang mga batas. Sinunod ko kahit laban sa loob ko – kahit nakikita ko na na in-spite of our economic state, our financial crisis, personal and business crisis, pinilit tayo whether we like it or not, na dagdagan an gating VAT. Ganun pa man, sabi ko kung lahat kayo ay nakakatiis, bakit hindi siya bigyan ng pagkakataon?

Ngunit ano ang isinukli n’ya? Arogante s’ya. Arogante! (Applause.)

Hindi n’ya isinaalang-alang ang damdamin ng nakararami! Manhid! (Applause.)

June 6. Tulad ninyong lahat nagulat na lamang ako. D’un pa mandin sa Malacañang inilabas ang dalawang discs. Hindi ko hinanap ‘yun. Hindi oposisyon ang nakahanap n’un. Kung hindi, marahil ay naibigay sa akin n’ung kasalukuyang ipinaglalaban ko ang protesta ni FPJ.

Dininig ng langit ang aking mga dalangin, kasama ng lahat ng mga sumusuporta kay FPJ. (Applause.)

Langit ang humusga na may karapatan tayong malaman ang katotohanan. (Applause.)

Para sa ating mga Filipino, mahalaga ang karapatan nating piliin ang ibig nating mamuno sa atin! (Applause.)

Sagrado! Sagrado ang ating mga boto, sapagkat ‘yan ay karapatang ipinamana sa atin n gating mga ninuno! (Applause.)

Pinagbuwisan nila ng buhay! Ipinakipag-laban nila ang ating mga karapatan! At nanindigan sila para makamit natin ang ating kalayaan! (Applause.)

Tuwing araw lamang ng halalan na tunay na lahat tayo ay pantay-pantay – mayaman man o mahirap, tigi-tig-isa lang tayo ng boto kaya ‘yun ay sagrado! (Applause.)

Nakalulungkot at nakagagalit ang kasalukuyang pangyayari. Nuon ang sumusupil sa ating mga karapatan, at nanglalamang sa atin ay ang mga dayuhang sumakop sa ating bayan! Ngunit sa kasalukuyan ang nanglalamang at kumikitil n gating mga karapatan ay sarili nating kalahahi at ka-dugo! (Applause.)

Nahpahayag si Mrs. Arroyo n’ung Lunes ng gabi; labis akong nalungkot sa aking nakita at narinig. Napaisip ako. Nadagdagan ang mga katanungan sa aking diwa.

“Sorry” daw at kinausap niya ang isang COMELEC official. Kasalukuyan pang nagbibilangan nuon. Alam n’ya ‘yun. Alam n’yang bawal ‘yun. Alam ng lahat ng mga kandidato na bawal ‘yun. Pero ginawa n’ya. Nilabag n’ya ang batas! At ‘yun ay inilihim n’ya! At kung hindi pa lumabas ang tape, kailan man ay hindi natin malalaman.

Kay tagal din n’yang nanahimik! Kay tagal din n’yang pinag isipan: aaminin ba n’ya o hindi na boses n’ya ang boses ng babaeng nasa tape. Bakit?! Bakit napakatagal n’yang naghintay? Dahil, may higit s’yang mabigat na pagkakasala na ibig n’yang ilihim, at ibig pa tayong muling isahan. ‘Yun ang pinag-uusapan nila at ayaw, at bawal ito na ating marinig: ang pandaraya! (Applause.)

Mrs. Arroyo, habang pinagmamasdan kita sa iyung paghingi ng paumanhin sa amin, sa taong bayan, kitang-kita ko sa iyong mga mata hindi nanggagaling sa iyung puso ang iyung paghihingi ng “sorry!” (Applause.)

Kitang-kita ko sa ‘yung mga mata na ibig mo na naman kaming isahan! (Applause.)

Pinaiikot mo na namang muli ang batas para sa ‘yong personal na interes para ilihim ang katotohanan. May kasabihan tayong mga Pilipino, “Ang Sinungaling ay kapatid ng Magnanakaw!” (Applause.)

Hindi ko matatanggap ang iyong “Sorry!” (Applause.)

Sinira mo ang pagtitiwala ng mga kababayan mo sa ‘yo! (Applause.)

Wala kang karapatan na mamuno! (Applause.)

Remember Mrs. Arroyo, before foreigners, before foreign investors can trust you, you must first earn the trust of your countrymen! (Applause.) Which, unfortunately you have lost! You have embarrassed the Filipinos enough! There is nothing we can find that we can be proud of that you have done for us from your Day 1 to the present. (Applause.)

You are full of empty promises. Obviously you have no love for your country. (Applause.)

The gravest thing that you have done is that you have stolen the presidency, not once but twice!! (Applause.)

Q&A

Susan: … Ang Press Conference na ito ay tungkol sa ipinaglalaban natin sa katotohanan. Ayoko po, ayokong haluan ito ng pulitika. Ayokong haluan ito ng partisan politics.

Q: …What do you think would be the appropriate retribution for Mrs. Arroyo?

Susan: Well, Maricar, for your first Question, it was Secretary Bunye who said that. I believe that is the administration’s problem right now. So, it is not for me to answer. You better ask them. As far as retribution is concerned, again we have to consult people in the legal field. And other than that, it is our countrymen who can best describe her fate. Remember laws were made for the majority. Most especially for the oppressed to protect them, not to abuse them.

Q: Maam, if you want President Arroyo to resign... Who would you endorse to replace her as President of the Philippines?

Susan: I am just like you, an ordinary citizen. Again I will say it is for the majority to decide.

Q: The President has just announced that her husband First Gentleman Mike Arroyo has left the country. Some see it as a way to appease the mounting political situation. What can you say about this?

Susan: That is a personal decision of the couple. As for me, in my marriage, I don’t agree to it.

Q: Kailan po kayo magsasaga ng malaking rally para ibagsak si President Macapagal-Arroyo?

Susan: Huwag n’yo pong lalagyan ng ‘di tamang pananalita ang aking bibig. Alalahanin po ninyo, nagiisa lang ako. Ordinaryong mamamayan, katulad n’yo. Wala akong maipagmamalaki na pwersa. Ngunit kung may mangunguna at kung kailan, handa ako!

Q: (follow up on the FG Arroyo’s self exile) Would you say, Maam, that flight is tantamount to admission of guilt?

Susan: Again, Maricar, I don’t meddle with problems of the couple.

Q: You are calling for the immediate resignation of GMA?

Susan: Yes! (Applause.)She has done enough damage to our country! She has put our country and our countrymen to shame!

Q: Maam sinabi po ni Secretary Bunye na wala daw intension si Secretary Bunye na mag-resign. So, ano po ang maari ninyong susunod na hakbang o sasabighin tungkol dito?

Susan: Iparinig mo ‘yan sa nakararami! Tingnan natin kung ano ang sagot nila! (Applause.) Oo, sasamahan ko sila!

Q: If President Arroyo steps down, according to our constitution the Vice President (will take-over.) Do you agree to this scenario?

Susan: Sa mga nakikita ko na kahit na mali ay kinakampihan, ano ang isasagot mo? (Applause.)

Q: Ano ho ang role ng isang Susan Roces sa kung sakali mang mapalitan na si PGMA?

Susan: Kagaya ngayon ang role ko. Isang simpleng mamamayan. Kasama n’yo.

Q: Kung ang papalit ay isang military Junta, papayag ho ba kayo dito?

Susan: Hindi ako ang makapagsasabi n’yan. Hindi ko ginusto na magkaganito ang ating sitwasyon. Huwag nilang isipin na ang mga taong katulad ko na ibig lamang ipahayag ang kanilang niloloob ang kanyang damdamin. Hindi natin alam kung kailan pa magkakaroon ng pagkakataong ito.

Q: (regarding snap elections)

Susan: Ang mga bagay-bagay na ganyan ay hindi ipinakikipagsapalaran. ‘Yan ay pinag-aaralan. Sa ngayon, marami nang pag-aaral. Iba’t-ibang grupo na ang nag-aaral kung ano ang makabubuti sa ating bayan.

Q: What advice will you give Mrs. Arroyo?

Susan: I don’t give unsolicited advice. (Applause.)

Q: Mamm. Ii-endorse po ba ninyo ‘yung mga panawagan for a snap election?

Susan: Hinde. Dahil s adumi ng nakaraang halalan, sino ang mamamahala ng snap elections?

Q: So maam, sa papaanong paraan ninyo gusting mapalitan ang pamahalaan?

Susan: Again I say there are plans. Different plans that I cannot reveal as of now.

Q: You said na kapag may kilusan ay nakahanda kayong sumama. What if po kung ang hinihiling ng majority eh kayo ang mamuno sa kilusan na iyun?

Susan: Depende sa pagkakataon at sa mga pangyayari.

Q: Are you saying na open po kayo sa mga possibility na ‘yun?

Susan: Malalaman mo na lang? Ang importante ay magkakasama ang lahat ng taumbayan.

Q: Kasama po ba sa plinaplano ang posibleng People Power?

Susan: Hindi ko alam.

Q: ...Naghihikayat na po ba tayo ng mga tao na lumabas sa kalsada?

Susan: Ikaw ang nagsabi n’yan, hindi ako! (Laughters and heckling.) Umpisahan mo tatapusin ko! (Applause.)

Q: Kapag naumpisahan nap o, saan po ba ito patungo?

Susan: Atat na atat ka! Ikaw ang mag-umpisa! (Laughters, heckling.) Bakit? Feel mo? Feel? Feel mo ba?

Q: If President Arroyo refuses to step down, can you categorically state if you will only endorse legal, or also extra legal steps against her?

Susan: I think I have tackled that question earlier. You were not listening. (Laughters and heckling.)

Sandra Aguinaldo (GMA7): Sabi po ni Mrs. Arroyo sakripisyo para sa kanya ang paglisan ng asawa n’ya sa bansa. Sa tingin po ba ninyo sapat na na sakripisyo ito?

Susan: Hindi ko alam ang kasaysayan ng kanilang pagmamahalan. (Laughters and heckling.)

She (ABC5): Maam, meron po ba kayong specific na mensahe sa mga loyalista ni FPJ na hanggang ngayon ay naghihintay kung ano talaga ang dapat nilang gawin?

Susan: … Para pos a kanila, tuloy ang laban.

Q: Handa po ba kayong manguna sa Civil disobedience, katulad ng hindi pagbabayad ng taxes?

Susan: Makakarating po tayo d’yan. Depende po kung gaano kayigas ang ulo ng ating Pangulo.

Q: Handa po ba kayong makausap si Commissioner Garcillano?

Susan: Alam mo ba kung nasaan s’ya? (Laughters and heckling)

Q: Ano pong options and ibinibigay ninyo sa bayan, maam? Matapos ang Edsa 1, Edsa 2, ano pong options ang pwedeng ibigay ninyo sa taong bayan?

Susan: Nasa taong bayan ang pagpapasya. Naranasan nila ang Edsa 1 at Edsa 2, at nagkaroon ng Edsa 3. May nabago ba? So, naging leksiyon yan para sa atin. Kailangang suriin natin sa ating mga isip kung ano ba ang gusto nating klase ng pamumuno.


Theatrics, that's all it was. Nothing but a whole slew of unsubstatiated accusations and speculation. She was forceful and very emotional though, and that's probably enough to sway a lot of (ignorant) people. Never mind the actual content of her speech.

From day one until the present she claims that walang nagawang mabuti kahit isa si GMA. Right. GMA and her team can't solve all the country's problems overnight (or even in one or two terms), but they have made some progress in some areas.

She wants the President to resign. She doesn't want Noli to be President. She doesn't want a snap election because she's lost faith in the electoral process. When asked what she wants to happen, she says "there are plans" but won't elaborate on what those plans are.

When asked if she would lead an EDSA type mass action, she is evasive. "Kung gusto nila magrally, sasamahan ko sila... Umpisahan nyo, tatapusin ko." Basically, she wants the people to rise up in protest, but she doesn't want to take responsibility for it.

She says it's up to the people to decide GMA's fate. Well, it seems to me that they've already decided. They've heard the tapes. Yet they're not doing anything about it. It's an interesting contrast to what happened with Erap, when people marched straight to Edsa after the senate voted not to open the second envelope. This whole Hello Garci thing just doesn't seem to incite the same kind of moral outrage.

Sure, a lot of people are whining, calling for her ouster, but they're not doing anything. Most of the people who are rallying in the streets are the people the opposition paid to be there. (And they're not being paid much, as the opposition seems to be low on funds these days. They used to give a few hundred per rallyist, but now the going rate is a mere 50 pesos.)

If not GMA, then who? Is political upheaval in the best interest of the country?

I'm a pragmatist. I'm not her biggest fan, but I can't think of a better person to take her place and anyway it's too much trouble to replace her. I just want her to work and do her job. If she's guilty of anything, I'd rather leave that for the courts to decide. I am just so tired of all this bickering. It's counter productive.



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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 06:28 am UTC (link)
Sure, a lot of people are whining, calling for her ouster, but they're not doing anything. that's such a rash and unfair generalization.

This whole Hello Garci thing just doesn't incite the same kind of moral outrage. It doesn't? Just because you don't see that much people in the street does not mean it doesn't. watch tv. listen to people beyond your circle. what kind of morals do we have if we just turn a blind eye to this. andami daming kinukulong at pinaparusahan sa pilipinas for petty wrong doings, itong taong to nagnakaw ng boto, nagsorry lang and thats it?

I just want her to work and do her job. It's not her job.

salamat, ms susan for voicing out the frustrations of people who can't do the same thing from fear of gloria's police force, her army and her department of justice. erap wasn't this too paranoid and protected kaya malakas ang loob ng tao noon, unlike now, bantay sarado at defensive ang malacanang... if youre wondering why people are apprehensive to flock to the streets.

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[info]wexistence
2005-06-29 06:41 am UTC (link)
What else are the people doing about it? Yes, I know a lot of people are angry about it, and certainly everybody's talking about it, but so far that seems to be it. It's all talk.

Last June 24 some parts of the opposition tried to organize an EDSA-type mass action to force the president to step down. They gathered at most seven thousand people, and they were the usual "hakot" crowd. They can't grow a critical mass because the people are experiencing revolution fatigue. One has to wonder why.

Not her job? Who's job is it then? I'd like there to be an investigation of the alleged election fraud before I conclude that she is not the rightfully elected President of the Philippines.

I'm not saying we should simply forget about the issue just because the President said she's sorry. I'm saying we should let the legal process take it's course. If that fails, then perhaps marching to the streets is justified. (Like in the case of Erap, people only marched to the streets after the impeachment trial failed.) Pero sa ngayon, ano naman ang magagawa ng pagrarally? Malulutas ba ang mga problema ng bansa kung magrarally tayo?

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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 06:59 am UTC (link)
people want to avoid doing another people power rally as much as possible. people want to avoid another painful impeachment process na mahirap din pagkatiwalaan dahil overwhelming ang mga "representatives" na puprotekta kay GMA.

kaya nga people are urging her to simply resign para hindi na humantong sa mga ganoon. its the least painful process. but if she will remain arrogant... then i can understand how other people might act on their overwhelming frustrations.

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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 11:35 am UTC (link)
I'm saying we should let the legal process take it's course. If that fails, then perhaps marching to the streets is justified.

i really doubt an impeachment case will prosper. oliver lozano already filed the case apparently with weak evidences and an administration-affiliated congressman endorsed it. there are theories na pakawala si lozano ng administration. its bound to fail in the House of Representatives. and because the constitution limits the filing of impeachment to only once a year... if this case fails, what next?

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[info]im_no_monalisa
2005-06-29 07:02 am UTC (link)
I was in EDSA 2, I was a sophomore in college and I didn't know any better. I do not want to have another " people power". In my opinion, we are simply turning ourselves citizens of a Banana republic .

I'd rather leave that for the courts to decide

My sentiments exactly.


Susan Roces thinks of herself as another Cory Aquino. Bad news for her, she is not, and she can't be. The circumstances are completely different.

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[info]celeni
2005-06-29 11:38 am UTC (link)
Well, the courts will only deem legitimate if the greater public trust is in the courts. The scandal is further legitimizing the Bananan repulbic-ness of the country. Where else on the known universe is there a republic that bastardizes the soul of its democracy - the electoral system. I don't think anyone will even bother to go to such lengths fabricating something so extensive.

Susan Roces thinks of herself as another Cory Aquino. Bad news for her, she is not, and she can't be. The circumstances are completely different.

True, the circumstances are completely different. Susan Roces seems to be less naïve than the ex-president, and for me with greater sence in her personal initiatives. Gloria was also by far an illegitimate president than Marcos has ever been.

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-29 12:25 pm UTC (link)
Where else on the known universe is there a republic that bastardizes the soul of its democracy - the electoral system.

Where? Florida, USA.

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[info]im_no_monalisa
2005-06-29 01:31 pm UTC (link)
ah yes of course, Susun Roces is far less naive than Cory. That's because she is obviously more manipulative.

Gloria was also by far an illegitimate president than Marcos has ever been.

Marcos was a legitimate president.Nobu can argue otherwise. He was voted by the people, twice, until he declared Martial Law. From that point on, his legitimacy was lost.

A greater sense of personal initiative? Just because she is riding on the controversy doesn't equate to a greater sense of initiative.

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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 11:46 am UTC (link)
The court we're talking about... it's the House of Representatives right? That's where the impeachment case will pass through. *snicker* Okay, wish the truth good luck.

there's already an impeachment case filed in Congress. and it was not filed by the opposition, but by some oliver lozano. an administration-affiliated congressman endorsed it. the constitution limits the filing of impeachment to once a year. if the theory that this impeachment case was an administration strategy to stop the opposition from filing their own impeachment, this case will most probably fail. after that, what's next?

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[info]herhayness
2005-06-29 04:16 pm UTC (link)
"Kung gusto nila magrally, sasamahan ko sila... Umpisahan nyo, tatapusin ko."

Sa totoo lang, nabadtrip ako dito. This statement implies she has no firm stand regarding the issues.

I agree with you, I don't want another EDSA and certainly, Susan Roces is no Cory Aquino.

I am just crossing my fingers that GMA resign voluntarily and then do the necessary actions. I am also hoping it won't be a long wait for us.

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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 10:24 pm UTC (link)
hay, against all odds, sana nga mag-resign na lang si GMA voluntarily.

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[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 12:46 pm UTC (link)
Theatrics, that's all it was. Nothing but a whole slew of unsubstatiated accusations and speculation. She was forceful and very emotional though, and that's probably enough to sway a lot of (ignorant) people. Never mind the actual content of her speech. [emphasis mine]

care to substantiate?

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[info]wexistence
2005-06-29 01:06 pm UTC (link)
She said walang ginawang matino si Gloria since she became president, which isn't true. The country's problems can't be solved over night or in one or two terms or even in half a century. But that doesn't mean wala syang ginawang mabuti at all. I haven't the figures handy at the moment, but there have been improvements.

“Sorry” daw at kinausap niya ang isang COMELEC official... Nilabag n’ya ang batas! Actually, whether or not that's illegal is debatable. Inappropriate certainly, but not necessarily illegal.

Kay tagal din n’yang nanahimik! Kay tagal din n’yang pinag isipan: aaminin ba n’ya o hindi na boses n’ya ang boses ng babaeng nasa tape. Bakit?! Bakit napakatagal n’yang naghintay? Dahil, may higit s’yang mabigat na pagkakasala na ibig n’yang ilihim, at ibig pa tayong muling isahan. ‘Yun ang pinag-uusapan nila at ayaw, at bawal ito na ating marinig: ang pandaraya! There is still no proof that she cheated. Nowhere on the tape does she tell the comelec official to tamper with the votes to give her an advantage. The authenticity of that tape has yet to be verified. Yeah, that's her voice, but that doesn't necessarily mean everything on that tape is true.

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(no subject) - [info]bikoy, 2005-06-29 01:13 pm UTC
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innocent until proven guilty
[info]driver_ng_bayan
2005-06-29 04:16 pm UTC (link)
Forgive me for borrowing a page from the bill of rights, but I think this is applicable here.

Fact: GMA has been accused of cheating in order to attain her office.
Bits and pieces of information can be put together to suggest that she did cheat. These bits and pieces, however, have not been put together to make a solid case against her. There have been no legal proceedings that have proven the accusations against her true.

Why, then, should we act like GMA is guilty? She still is a person, who, like every other person, has the right to be considered innocent until proven otherwise, right?

I'm echoing wex on this point... "I just want her to work and do her job. If she's guilty of anything, I'd rather leave that for the courts to decide." She's a person (I dare anybody to contest this point) who should be treated as innocent until proven otherwise.

The burden of proof is on her accusers. Let them build their case against her, and formally file their complaint. In the meantime, let her do her job.

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Re: innocent until proven guilty
[info]bikoy
2005-06-29 09:35 pm UTC (link)
presumed innocent until proven guilty.
good luck asking people to presume she's innocent.
even erap is not guilty then.

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Re: innocent until proven guilty
[info]celeni
2005-06-29 11:34 pm UTC (link)
I think the people are sharing the burden at this point right now. You don't blow up the entire issue if you don't want the public to be involved. I don't understand why you have to margninalize public opinion when apparently, it's their votes that has been bastardized.

I don't feel bad about the greater majority (or according to some, the noisy minority) acts as criticts of the president. They're the prevailing check and balance, and the fact that we're making an issue out of it means that the check is working.

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Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 02:12 am UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]celeni, 2005-06-30 11:13 am UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 12:12 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]celeni, 2005-06-30 12:33 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 12:40 pm UTC
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Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 12:46 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]celeni, 2005-06-30 01:40 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 01:44 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - (Anonymous), 2005-06-30 10:16 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]bikoy, 2005-06-30 11:40 am UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-06-30 12:15 pm UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - (Anonymous), 2005-07-01 03:50 am UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]wexistence, 2005-07-01 03:52 am UTC
Re: innocent until proven guilty - [info]howling_wolf, 2005-07-06 02:40 pm UTC

[info]purdymonster
2005-06-30 02:19 pm UTC (link)
I dont understand why as fast as you are to try to protect GMA because there still hasnt been any legal desicion, you're just as fast to accuse Susan Roces of "theatrics". So much for being against bickering. So much for supposedly trying to be productive. Congratulations.

Why do you protect her while attacking the people who only seek the truth?

Practicality is not a crime. But the whole point of practicality is simply to chose the best way in practice to uphold a principle. But what principle are you upholding? Your practicality is in defiance of any principle that anyone wants to uphold: truth, legality, and any hope for progress. So much for your endgoals. Susan is right - how do expect any foreign trust and investment when even the local people (just check the approval ratings) dont have faith in the system. Who are you protecting? Is it really the people?

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[info]wexistence
2005-06-30 02:25 pm UTC (link)
I don't understand how you can compare me to the opposition. I'm a complete nobody simply airing her thoughts on a blog that's read by, what, 30 people? I have no political significance, my opinion is of no consequence.

But when Susan Roces or anyone with any kind of political clout speaks, there is political significance. There are consequences.

I'm not attacking them because they're seeking the truth. I want the truth as much as the next person. I want there to be cases and investigations. I want the legal process to take its course. What I don't want is a political circus.

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[info]frozenmargarita
2005-06-30 02:36 pm UTC (link)
I dont understand why as fast as you are to try to protect GMA because there still hasnt been any legal desicion, you're just as fast to accuse Susan Roces of "theatrics".

That made absolutely no sense. What does the lack of a legal decision on GMA have to do with branding Susan Roces' statement as "theatrics"? You just have to look at the words she said and the tone of her voice. It WAS theatrics. There's nothing wrong with Susan Roces' wanting to know the truth. We all want the truth. But do emotional spiels and grandstanding contribute anything? No, they don't.

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-01 05:38 am UTC (link)
EDITORIAL - The best option right now is to sit things out

The Freeman 07/01/2005

President Arroyo is not resigning. But five more years is too long for a leader whose moral authority has been severely eroded. Yet with nothing in the tapes legally incriminating and an impeachment not likely to work in a House dominated by her allies, what is the nation to do?

Surely we cannot have another people power. Definitely we must not have another people power. Citizens of this country are sick of it. They neither have the strength nor the stomach for another uprising. Especially when they have miserably failed to make lives any better.

Besides, those in the provinces are getting increasingly resentful of the fact that a few thousand marchers in Metro Manila get to dictate how the tens of millions of other Filipinos must live their lives.

Perhaps the best option for everyone right now is to sit and wait for the midterm elections in 2007 and elect to Congress as many as may be required to remove Arroyo from office through constitutional and peaceful means.

In the meantime, Arroyo herself is given her second chance to "redouble" her efforts to bring about the needed reforms to bring this country back on track again. If she still fails to deliver, we see no reason why she can still survive after 2007.

We say this is perhaps the best option for everyone because, in light of the immutable facts we enumerated at the outset, doing anything otherwise may force the situation to proceed to other scenarios which we will only all abhor.

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[info]bikoy
2005-07-02 04:23 am UTC (link)
why did you delete one of my posts with this link http://www.sws.org.ph/pr0500701.htm

this "debate" has long dead locked. none of us is budging. can i retire from this? kanya kanya na lang paniniwala ah?

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[info]wexistence
2005-07-02 04:27 am UTC (link)
I told you to post the link here:
http://www.livejournal.com/community/pulitika/3227.html
in a more current entry so more people can see it. Very few people are going to read this old post, so baka hindi sya mapansin. Or you could make an entirely new post containing that link so more people will see it.

To stop or continue is up to you. It's not like I'm going to force you to reply to comments if you don't feel like it.

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(no subject) - [info]bikoy, 2005-07-02 04:40 am UTC

(Anonymous)
2005-07-02 05:34 pm UTC (link)
oo tama tumahimik ka nalang. nagkakalat ka lang naman dito eh. ikaw mismo nagsabi na wala kang alam tunkol sa economics. kung ganon, anong ginamit mong basehan para sa mga opinion mo? wala, nagiimbento ka lang? magaral ka muna iho bago ka bumalik dito. nakakahiya ka, taga UP ka pa naman. ang buwis namin ang nagpapaaral sa yo at kabobohan lang ang isinukli mo samin!

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[info]howling_wolf
2005-07-02 07:16 am UTC (link)
To the bitter left hand Luke, if Florida 2000 is the best you can offer, then you'd better start checking elsewhere. Bush won, get over it. They followed a process after a close count, as was mandated by law. The only thing about it similar to our situation was the whining, moaning and bitching done by the Democrats, bandying wild charges from hanging chads to voter intimidation. Much like the typical loser sourgraping here. However, when it was settled by the courts, Al Gore at least had the decency to stop bitching. Can't say the same for MoveOn.org, who can't seem to...you know..."move on". Much like our lovely opposition.

"Maybe we should have our own version of Farenheit 9/11? Celsius 66?"

Just what we need...another brain-dead exercise in political demagoguery masked as a "documentary" to feed the salivating Pavlovian dogs.

First, find some third-rate fat dumbass willing to ass-rape his intellectual dignity for the sake of finally being able to see a woman nude....

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(Anonymous)
2005-07-04 06:19 am UTC (link)
I have listened to the tape and read the transcript. Something in my gut "call it instinct" is telling me that GMA or her supporters cheated in the last elections. But also something in my gut is telling me that she won the elections fair and square. She is a legitimate President of our country – we have to live with that until 2010. Visayas, parts of Mindanao and parts of Luzon voted her to Malacanang. Reality is: losers always complain and take the streets. We are kids who can't be sport. Now to the issues:
GMA resigns calls, Snap elections, Junta etc. These calls weaken our institutions and constitution. How can we be sure that these calls (if allowed to succeed) will not end in a vicious cycle of who ever is out of position/power will not make calls of the same resulting in perpetual malicious politicking and instability of our country? If you think she committed a crime – let the laws take its course. Laws and the Constitution are the instruments that can mature our country. We must not step outside of it otherwise we will be inviting "hell " into our doorsteps.
These recent problems came about because of illegal wire tapping and invasion of privacy. If they can do it to the President, then they can do it to everyone. This is a violation of fundamental rights. The agencies that are suppose to implement the law and run after ONG et al., where are they? So… can we arrest ONG et al. now and investigate them, please.
These recent problems also came about because of our slow, antiquated systems of elections, and COMELEC members lack of integrity and credibility. So can we Replace the COMELEC officials now, and computerize the next elections, please.
The country is hugely divided on many issues. And we are facing big problems and threats: high prices of oil in the world market, huge budget deficit that could bankrupt the country and make the peso worthless, high unemployment rate etc. What can we do?
Let us not be myopic. These issues and problems are no less than important than trying to make Susan Roces, Jingoy or Rez Cortez occupy Malacanang. Or should we let our " kapamilya" occupy Malacanang and other government agencies instead? Your choice.

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