Prince Cowboy ([info]cowboy_mod) wrote in [info]polychromatic,
@ 2008-05-06 18:35:00
Previous Entry  Add to memories!  Tell a Friend!  Next Entry
SET YOUR EYES HERE AND...CLICKY!
¤ CHARACTERIZATION POLL ¤


I'm sure some of you remember the OOC discussion thread posted about a week ago. We'd like to thank you for your input. The various opinions and ideas offered were eye opening, and we're glad that the discussion went over so well. However, while it's clear that we can't make every single person in a community of 200+ members perfectly happy, we fully understand that it's the players that make the community as fabulous as it is, and so we value your input. We do what we do because we have the community's best interests at heart.

We've all read what you've had to say, and now we'd like a poll to better organize certain ideas. Additionally, we know there are members of the community who weren't able to participate in the previous debate, so this is your chance to offer up your opinion without feeling the need to tl;dr your brain out.

Bear with me, because this post will be hosting some tl;dr in the form of a poll. If you care about how this community is moderated in terms of characterization and inactivity, even just a little, then please fill out the poll. It will only take a minute of your time. ♥

Poll #1183789
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

How many characterization complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?

View Answers

1
2 (2.2%)

2
9 (10.0%)

3
62 (68.9%)

4
3 (3.3%)

5
6 (6.7%)

Other [I'll explain in comments].
8 (8.9%)

How many inactivity complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?

View Answers

1
1 (1.1%)

2
26 (28.6%)

3
47 (51.6%)

4
6 (6.6%)

5
4 (4.4%)

Other [I'll explain in comments].
7 (7.7%)

Should the number of complaints needed be changed depending on the size [small or large] of the crew?

View Answers

Yes
27 (29.7%)

No
64 (70.3%)

If so, what should be the deciding crews member number for smaller crews? What about larger crews?

If a player requests not to be contacted about OOC complaints filed later when they feel they've already been solved, should we honor their request?

View Answers

Yes, because it's their character and they know if they've solved the problem or not.
11 (12.4%)

No, because other players' opinions deserve to be heard, even if the player might disagree.
48 (53.9%)

Yes, but only if they already have a personal characterization crit post available.
30 (33.7%)

Should moderators be allowed to file character complaints?

View Answers

Yes, because they're players too.
49 (54.4%)

No, because they already have enough leverage as mods.
24 (26.7%)

Yes, but only if they're part of the crew.
12 (13.3%)

Yes, but only if they're NOT part of the crew.
5 (5.6%)

When letting a player know of character complaints, should those who lodged the complaints remain anonymous?

View Answers

Yes, because it keeps things fair and will lessen anymousity.
71 (78.9%)

No, because I can't contact the person to refute their complaint.
19 (21.1%)

How should players be contacted by mods in regards to a complaint?

View Answers

Email
61 (67.0%)

AIM
19 (20.9%)

Email, but only on the second time.
5 (5.5%)

AIM, but only on the second time.
6 (6.6%)

How do you feel about making the personal characterization crit posts mandatory to replace going to a moderator about characterization?

View Answers

I think it's a good idea.
34 (36.6%)

I think it's a bad idea.
27 (29.0%)

Neutral. I think it has pros and cons [I'll explain in comments].
32 (34.4%)



We encourage comments as well because we realize opinions can vary beyond checking boxes. Please feel free to express your opinion, but don't forget to be polite. We won't tolerate flaming of any kind towards other players.


[EDIT] Please, only one vote per person.



Page 1 of 2
<<[1] [2] >>

(Post a new comment)


[info]scienceinacan
2008-05-07 01:44 am UTC (link)
How many characterization complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?

^ I think this one really hinges on the size of the crew and the nature of complaints...

(Reply to this)


[info]sandmullet
2008-05-07 01:46 am UTC (link)
Re: Characterization complaints:

Three is fine, unless the characterization is so BLATANTLY OOC that three separate complaints really should not be necessary to evince the problem. At that time, the single complaint drawing attention to it should be more than sufficient.

(Reply to this)


[info]ketsumetsu
2008-05-07 01:50 am UTC (link)
How many characterization complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?

This should depend on the severity of the oocness involved in complaints and the relative size or cultural entrenchment of a canon. (It's not ideal to consider Chameleon from the Legion of Superheroes as a character liable to receive as many complaints as the goddamn Batman).

When letting a player know of character complaints, should those who lodged the complaints remain anonymous?

Anonymity is important sometimes to keep players happy with one another, but anonymity would not be threatened if the moderation were to forward responses to complainants and inform complainants of what the moderation communicated to the players who play the characters in question.

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]tenmorehours, 2008-05-07 01:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tenmorehours, 2008-05-07 02:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]tenmorehours, 2008-05-07 02:26 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:41 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:47 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:27 am UTC
*ignores actual content of comment* - [info]annwyd, 2008-05-07 02:15 am UTC
off topic thred wat off topic thred - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:21 am UTC
:< - [info]annwyd, 2008-05-07 02:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]so_very_greedy, 2008-05-07 03:17 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-09 10:18 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]whofelltoearth, 2008-05-09 10:27 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]compactcrucifix, 2008-05-09 10:56 pm UTC
(no subject) - [info]merchantboom, 2008-05-10 12:43 am UTC

[info]ketsumetsu
2008-05-07 01:56 am UTC (link)
Regarding requests for no further contact, one of the options bothers me:

No, because other players' opinions deserve to be heard, even if the player might disagree.

Other players are welcome to voice their opinions, by means of crit posts, e-mail, im or ooc comments. They're welcome to voice their opinions about characterization on the HMD posts.

However--

Making a formal complaint about a player's characterization is an entirely different matter and suggests that there is a large issue. Moderators and players both should consider filing a formal complaint a last ditch measure.

This is not the same as simply having an opinion, and having an opinion and communicated it is not impacted by a player requesting not to be contacted about opinions they've received before and decided to not honor in their characterization.

(Reply to this)


[info]lefeufollet
2008-05-07 01:56 am UTC (link)
How many characterization complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?
    I think this depends on the nature of the complaints. If it's something small and nit-picky, or if the complaint is even along the lines of "I mostly like this character, but I think this facet could use a bit of work," then I don't think complaints should necessarily be issued unless the complaint becomes a problem, just because characterization is such a touchy subject and in a game, we should be leaving much of it to the player to decide. Also, in the case of minor complaints, I would really prefer for the moderators to stress trying to contact the player in some fashion themselves--most likely, a player can either explain his or her reasoning, or perhaps take the complaint into account and change their roleplaying to some degree.

    As for major complaints? Where a player is seriously barred from playing their own characters somehow, or if it goes strictly against canon? I'd say two-three complaints should warrant an email, depending. Also, I think frequency of complaints should factor in--how recent the complaints all were, how many in succession, and so forth.

    I realize that these are hard to implement in a concrete fashion, but well. Willing to discuss at length if needed.


How many inactivity complaints should be lodged before a player is contacted?
    I think two complaints, from separate players, should be enough. I really don't think many people even file inactivity complaints unless it's a real issue--I know that I've filed one, but only because it in fact really hinders my playing of a character, and I'm not sure if it's been resolved at all yet.


Should the number of complaints needed be changed depending on the size [small or large] of the crew?
    No. A crew can be small and still adversely affected by really bad playing. Also note that really bad playing can uh, drive away people from a crew, thus making it smaller, but it doesn't make the complaints any less valid.


If so, what should be the deciding crews member number for smaller crews? What about larger crews?
    N/A.


If a player requests not to be contacted about OOC complaints filed later when they feel they've already been solved, should we honor their request?
    The latter 'yes' option. If they feel a problem has been solved, I don't think an email from the mods is going to change anything. Get the people who complained to try to reason things out with the player, even if it requires posting anonymously in an OOC crit post. It's better than getting things from the mods, who might have to water things down even because of politics, etc. Also, this can get a player to respond directly to a complaint, explain themselves, etc. etc.


Should moderators be allowed to file character complaints?
    Nope. Moderators, of all people, should be able to contact a player through other means. Also for the sake of politics, etc., I've gone over this before. I sincerely hope this isn't changed. Really.


When letting a player know of character complaints, should those who lodged the complaints remain anonymous?
    Yes, but encourage them to come out of the closet.


How should players be contacted by mods in regards to a complaint?
    I didn't really have a response to this. I think all modes of contact should be... available. Also might depend on the situation. IMing one-on-one can be friendly for minor issues, emailing might be better for major concerns. Always offer IMing as an option to players in the email.


How do you feel about making the personal characterization crit posts mandatory to replace going to a moderator about characterization?
    I personally like it, but I can see why some people wouldn't. So I'm unhelpful here.

(Reply to this)


[info]wishyuumay
2008-05-07 01:58 am UTC (link)
RE: How many complaints should be lodged before player contact.

I agree with previous statements that it really depends on the crew, but the post raises a good question of when a crew becomes too big. The only thing I can think of to address this issue is to say that you need 30% of existing crew numbers (in complaints whether they come from crew members or not) or xx number of complaints, whichever is LESS. Of course, percentage and fixed number still depending on whatever others think, but it's one way around the dilemma?

(Reply to this)


[info]knightbalanced
2008-05-07 01:59 am UTC (link)
I filled out everything, but I'd also like to note that I think having a fixed set of numbers that have to be met for any action to be taken might ultimately be a trap you're setting for yourselves. What if more than one member of any given crew is wildly ooc, and only one person has the balls to file a complaint, even if the complaints are dire and extreme? What if a fandom is too small for three unique complaints? What if you only get two complaints but they're really grave and have hard core backing evidence? I think three is a good general target if you're unsure, but I also think you should give yourselves room to make judgement calls based on the content presented versus numbers.

Edited for spellcheck betraying me with incorrect word choice. x[

Edited at 2008-05-07 02:00 am UTC

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]lullabyoflondon, 2008-05-07 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:35 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]better_third, 2008-05-07 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]sin_sacrum, 2008-05-09 06:50 pm UTC

[info]eternalnic
2008-05-07 02:02 am UTC (link)
On the issue of smaller crews, if the crew is smaller and at least half the people from the crew complain, then the complaints should be looked at, even if that puts the complaints at less than the number of complaints that has been generally agreed on.

That said, complaints from outside of the crew should have weight just like complaints from other crewmembers.

(Reply to this)


[info]breakerofchains
2008-05-07 02:07 am UTC (link)
Well, the previous comments have been taken out of my mouth, but like I stressed the last time, I'd like to see these issues at LEAST to be resolved to a player-to-player basis, and that complaints thread should honestly be a last-ditch effort. But that's just me, and I'm always willing to work for compromise.

Also, I'm sort of honestly leery, while concrit is good, but seeing as HMD is and plus the fact some people might feel uncomfortable with commenting on a crit post? I think making it mandatory is a bad idea, and should honestly be optional. Then again, that's just me, because some players wouldn't feel comfortable with that.

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 02:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]proudbutterfly, 2008-05-07 02:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]proudbutterfly, 2008-05-07 02:22 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]proudbutterfly, 2008-05-07 02:33 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 02:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]proudbutterfly, 2008-05-07 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 02:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]proudbutterfly, 2008-05-07 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:09 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 03:17 am UTC
On anonymous comments - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:20 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 03:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 03:42 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:24 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:27 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]eternalnic, 2008-05-07 03:28 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:30 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 03:15 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:20 am UTC

[info]lefeufollet
2008-05-07 02:13 am UTC (link)
Ohgod, please don't hate me for this, but--

I do hope that... decisions won't be made purely on a democratic process for these issues? Because... some of these questions might seriously squick a player. (Like, for instance, if mod complaints gets passed, I'm going to be uneasy, not because I don't trust the mods to try their best to be unbiased, but because I really do think that mods of all people should be going directly to a player. Encourage exemplary behavior, etc. And humans are by nature... biased, too.)

*waves minority rights flags?*

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 03:12 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 03:16 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 03:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]lefeufollet, 2008-05-07 03:52 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 04:05 am UTC

[info]proudbutterfly
2008-05-07 02:15 am UTC (link)
Neutral. I think it has pros and cons [I'll explain in comments].

To address this, they should be mandatory, but they shouldn't replace the going to a moderator about characterization method. This last scenario should happen as last resort, methinks.

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 03:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]arthurhellsing, 2008-05-07 07:46 am UTC

[info]mildlyreckless
2008-05-07 02:19 am UTC (link)
As far as neutrality on the mandatory crit post... There are some players here who are extremely paranoid about being attacked over their characterization. I think those folks should be respected by being ENCOURAGED to have a crit post, but not forced. But I'm not going to throw an outright hissy fit if they're mandatory, since it would be a personal post made, where they can screen comments and such.

Also, I really like the idea of OOC complaints being taken more seriously from crew members, since they're likeliest to know if a person's being played right.

This is looking good so far, guys. Kudos.♥

(Reply to this)(Thread)

(no subject) - [info]quamserena, 2008-05-07 02:21 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 02:27 am UTC
STILL VASH-MUN - [info]kittycrystal, 2008-05-07 02:34 am UTC
NOTED! - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 02:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittycrystal, 2008-05-07 02:48 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 03:00 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittycrystal, 2008-05-07 03:04 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 03:11 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mildlyreckless, 2008-05-07 03:13 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 03:18 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mildlyreckless, 2008-05-07 03:19 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 03:23 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]mildlyreckless, 2008-05-07 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 02:58 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]glock30, 2008-05-07 03:03 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 03:34 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittycrystal, 2008-05-07 03:06 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 03:40 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]kittycrystal, 2008-05-07 03:43 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 04:17 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 03:08 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]quackingly, 2008-05-07 03:46 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 02:38 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 02:45 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 02:53 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreadnot, 2008-05-07 02:55 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]knightbalanced, 2008-05-07 02:56 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]dreadnot, 2008-05-07 02:57 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]ketsumetsu, 2008-05-07 02:32 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]nico_oniichan, 2008-05-07 03:14 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]blutengel, 2008-05-07 03:25 am UTC
(no subject) - [info]guardianed, 2008-05-07 03:11 am UTC