Cate ([info]sheafrotherdon) wrote in [info]pollanesque,
@ 2008-02-22 10:52:00
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So what's this Pollanesque business, anyway?
The way I think about food changed on Sunday, January 28, 2007. While munching on my morning toast, I read Michael Pollan's essay [Unhappy Meals] in the New York Times magazine online. "Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants," began the essay. Immediately I wrinkled my nose – plants and I do not get along. I know I should eat spinach, but it's just so darn tasteless. Unlike, say, a nice slab of chocolate cake served beside a latte.

But I kept reading, and found myself fascinated by his argument. Food, Pollan suggests, has been missing from most people's meals for a long time. Instead of eating food, we've grown used to eating processed, food-like substances, chock full of high fructose corn syrup (even Weight Watchers snacks have their share of the stuff) and stacked on grocery store shelves with tempting health claims stamped all over the packaging.

Heart healthy! Low fat! Sugar free! High fiber!

The trouble with such claims, Pollan argues, is that they obscure a multitude of sins – that enormous proportions of the 'food' we eat come from just four grains instead of the more than 8000 species of food which omnivores were designed to appreciate; that reducing food to nutritional components – vitamins, minerals, fats, carbs – doesn't do justice to the complexity of what goes on inside a carrot or a side of beef, or the way the human body's evolved to process a sweet potato or a shrimp in ways it hasn't evolved to process Splenda or high fructose corn syrup; that we're overgrowing corn and soy beans and so finding new ways to eat corn and soy beans (did you realize corn starch shows up in most bags of grated cheese?); that we're making animals sick in our effort to make them eat corn instead of the grass they were designed to eat; that we're making the soil sick in making it grow corn instead of the diverse biosphere of crops it was meant to support.

We are, in short, screwing ourselves over on every imaginable level, getting fatter and suffering from a wider range of diseases while we do so, and using the environment around us in a manner it just can't sustain.

I was persuaded. Read the article and see if you're persuaded too.

So from there I read more Pollan - The Omnivore's Dilemma, which means I can never go to McDonalds again without thinking of the roughly thirty-two barrels of oil it takes to produce a Happy Meal; In Defense of Food, which gave me some concrete ways to think about the food I do and don't buy. And then I started reading websites and talking to my friends and we all got righteously indignant about corn starch and fat-free yogurt and it's a genuine miracle that we didn't think to start this community about a year ago.

Which brings us to the all important question – what do you buy to eat if you're persuaded that Cheerios and frozen pizza are not only not good for you, but bad for the planet and our communities as well?

Let's be clear – I don't have a lot of money, and neither do any of my friends who've been trying this with me. We have families, student loans, car payments, credit card debt, and not a lot of time – we're pretty typical people in that regard. So part of this grand experiment has been to try and work out how to change our eating practices on a tight budget. It's doable, but it takes some creativity – it takes recipe swaps and trying new ideas, which is one of the reasons we hope this community can be a place for people to share their budgeting tips.

But for the basics, let's go back to Pollan's take on all of this – guidelines we're trying (and not always succeeding) to live by, and that form the basis of the websites and recipes and practices we share with each other and now hope we can share with a whole bunch more people who are curious about all of this:

Nine rules for thinking about food - taken from Michael Pollan's essay, "Happy Meals," linked at the top of this post:

1. Eat food. Though in our current state of confusion, this is much easier said than done. So try this: Don’t eat anything your great-great-grandmother wouldn’t recognize as food. (Sorry, but at this point Moms are as confused as the rest of us, which is why we have to go back a couple of generations, to a time before the advent of modern food products.) There are a great many foodlike items in the supermarket your ancestors wouldn’t recognize as food (Go-Gurt? Breakfast-cereal bars? Nondairy creamer?); stay away from these.

2. Avoid even those food products that come bearing health claims. They’re apt to be heavily processed, and the claims are often dubious at best. Don’t forget that margarine, one of the first industrial foods to claim that it was more healthful than the traditional food it replaced, turned out to give people heart attacks. When Kellogg’s can boast about its Healthy Heart Strawberry Vanilla cereal bars, health claims have become hopelessly compromised. (The American Heart Association charges food makers for their endorsement.) Don’t take the silence of the yams as a sign that they have nothing valuable to say about health.

3. Especially avoid food products containing ingredients that are a) unfamiliar, b) unpronounceable c) more than five in number — or that contain high-fructose corn syrup. None of these characteristics are necessarily harmful in and of themselves, but all of them are reliable markers for foods that have been highly processed.

4. Get out of the supermarket whenever possible. You won’t find any high-fructose corn syrup at the farmer’s market; you also won’t find food harvested long ago and far away. What you will find are fresh whole foods picked at the peak of nutritional quality. Precisely the kind of food your great-great-grandmother would have recognized as food.

5. Pay more, eat less. The American food system has for a century devoted its energies and policies to increasing quantity and reducing price, not to improving quality. There’s no escaping the fact that better food — measured by taste or nutritional quality (which often correspond) — costs more, because it has been grown or raised less intensively and with more care. Not everyone can afford to eat well in America, which is shameful, but most of us can: Americans spend, on average, less than 10 percent of their income on food, down from 24 percent in 1947, and less than the citizens of any other nation. And those of us who can afford to eat well should. Paying more for food well grown in good soils — whether certified organic or not — will contribute not only to your health (by reducing exposure to pesticides) but also to the health of others who might not themselves be able to afford that sort of food: the people who grow it and the people who live downstream, and downwind, of the farms where it is grown.

“Eat less” is the most unwelcome advice of all, but in fact the scientific case for eating a lot less than we currently do is compelling. “Calorie restriction” has repeatedly been shown to slow aging in animals, and many researchers (including Walter Willett, the Harvard epidemiologist) believe it offers the single strongest link between diet and cancer prevention. Food abundance is a problem, but culture has helped here, too, by promoting the idea of moderation. Once one of the longest-lived people on earth, the Okinawans practiced a principle they called “Hara Hachi Bu”: eat until you are 80 percent full. To make the “eat less” message a bit more palatable, consider that quality may have a bearing on quantity: I don’t know about you, but the better the quality of the food I eat, the less of it I need to feel satisfied. All tomatoes are not created equal.

6. Eat mostly plants, especially leaves. Scientists may disagree on what’s so good about plants — the antioxidants? Fiber? Omega-3s? — but they do agree that they’re probably really good for you and certainly can’t hurt. Also, by eating a plant-based diet, you’ll be consuming far fewer calories, since plant foods (except seeds) are typically less “energy dense” than the other things you might eat. Vegetarians are healthier than carnivores, but near vegetarians (“flexitarians”) are as healthy as vegetarians. Thomas Jefferson was on to something when he advised treating meat more as a flavoring than a food.

7. Eat more like the French. Or the Japanese. Or the Italians. Or the Greeks. Confounding factors aside, people who eat according to the rules of a traditional food culture are generally healthier than we are. Any traditional diet will do: if it weren’t a healthy diet, the people who follow it wouldn’t still be around. True, food cultures are embedded in societies and economies and ecologies, and some of them travel better than others: Inuit not so well as Italian. In borrowing from a food culture, pay attention to how a culture eats, as well as to what it eats. In the case of the French paradox, it may not be the dietary nutrients that keep the French healthy (lots of saturated fat and alcohol?!) so much as the dietary habits: small portions, no seconds or snacking, communal meals — and the serious pleasure taken in eating. (Worrying about diet can’t possibly be good for you.) Let culture be your guide, not science.

8. Cook. And if you can, plant a garden. To take part in the intricate and endlessly interesting processes of providing for our sustenance is the surest way to escape the culture of fast food and the values implicit in it: that food should be cheap and easy; that food is fuel and not communion. The culture of the kitchen, as embodied in those enduring traditions we call cuisines, contains more wisdom about diet and health than you are apt to find in any nutrition journal or journalism. Plus, the food you grow yourself contributes to your health long before you sit down to eat it. So you might want to think about putting down this article now and picking up a spatula or hoe.

9. Eat like an omnivore. Try to add new species, not just new foods, to your diet. The greater the diversity of species you eat, the more likely you are to cover all your nutritional bases. That of course is an argument from nutritionism, but there is a better one, one that takes a broader view of “health.” Biodiversity in the diet means less monoculture in the fields. What does that have to do with your health? Everything. The vast monocultures that now feed us require tremendous amounts of chemical fertilizers and pesticides to keep from collapsing. Diversifying those fields will mean fewer chemicals, healthier soils, healthier plants and animals and, in turn, healthier people. It’s all connected, which is another way of saying that your health isn’t bordered by your body and that what’s good for the soil is probably good for you, too.


Which all adds up to: What This Community's About:

1) Sharing news, tips, recipes, links, and things to read that are related to the idea of eating well (in every sense)
2) Asking questions and seeking advice about the same sort of things
3) Figuring out how to do all of this on a budget
4) Entering into conversation about environmental action and sustainable living

Our rules are listed in our [profile]. We're raring to go!

Welcome!



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[info]elbomac
2008-02-22 05:17 pm UTC (link)
This is awesome. I have been struggling with these issues since reading The Omnivore's Dilemma, one of the smartest and most accessible things I have ever read. I am excited to hear others' ideas!

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 06:14 pm UTC (link)
Yay! I'm excited to hear from everyone too! :D

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[info]bethcarielle
2008-02-22 06:34 pm UTC (link)
Wow. This is wonderful. I've been trying more and more to get away from processed foods and improve mine (and my family's) diet. Can't wait to read what other people have to say.

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 09:43 pm UTC (link)
Yay! I hope it proves useful, and that you'll contribute any tips you have!

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[info]shao_fu
2008-02-22 06:53 pm UTC (link)
This is a great idea and I definitely want to join up and read/share ideas!

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 09:43 pm UTC (link)
Yay! I'm so glad! :D

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[info]winkingstar
2008-02-22 07:40 pm UTC (link)
I read the first page of that essay and I'm hooked -- Pollan's writing is great. I have piles of homework to do, but I shall go back to finish it later. I've also requested In Defense of Food from my library. :)

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Yay! You'll love the book - it's a fuller consideration of what he brings up in that essay. Request The Omnivore's Dilemma too! That's the book where he goes into the bigger issues behind how our food is produced, and it's fascinating.

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[info]lavvyan
2008-02-22 09:44 pm UTC (link)
Hmm. This is pretty interesting, from a practically-outsider's point of view (I'm German). I'm usually cooking my own meals and view meat more as an occasional side-dish, so uh... I'm joining for the recipes? *coughs*

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 09:46 pm UTC (link)
We have regionally specific tags - one for continental Europe right now, which we can break down by country if we get enough interested / tips / questions! We're hoping that'll help people point out green-living opportunities close to home, all over the world.

So yay!

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[info]lavvyan
2008-02-22 10:00 pm UTC (link)
Oh, that's convenient. Because some of the ingredients that seem to be common in your part of the world I've never even heard of. *g*

Oh, and I have a suggestion: maybe a post for people who really haven't had that much contact with vegetables/fresh fruit so far, telling them how to tell if the vegetable/fruit is ripe/not ripe yet/too ripe? Only I don't have the necessary experience for that, since I mostly live on zucchinis, bell pepper, frozen peas and bananas. Well, and potatoes.

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-22 10:30 pm UTC (link)
We have a tag for questions! :D So you could say hey, I know how to tell if a bell pepper's good (and you could share that, since not everyone knows) and then ask people for tips on other fruit and vegetables! That way no one person has to know all the answers, but the community as a whole can pitch it the bits and pieces they know!

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[info]libsechumanist
2008-02-23 12:16 am UTC (link)
Thanks very much for starting this. I just posted (probably too long, I apologize) since this type of eating is a way of life for me and has been for 2 years. It is not a "diet" - it is just the way I live. And, I welcome any suggestions for how do create variety in eating my veggies! Thanks again!

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-23 12:57 am UTC (link)
Your post had lots of good information - thanks for sharing it! I posted a follow-up with links that should help people track down some co-ops close to where they live (if they exist).

Could you do me a wee favor and change the subject lines of your posts to reflect the content? We've been labeling them first by the type of post and then by the specifics, so, for example: Recipe: Split Pea Soup or Link: Favorite Green Sites. It makes it a little easier for people to navigate the site. Thanks much! ♥

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[info]rainbow
2008-02-23 12:40 am UTC (link)
i just found this comm via friendsfriends and am very pleased to find it.

re #5, last month i found a neat article here that said:

"In the first decade of the (20ths) century, fresh beef was around 13 cents a pound, equivalent to about $30 a pound relative to 1990 dollars. Soap was 5 cents a bar, equal to $11.50 in 1990 dollars. A refrigerator early in the century cost $3,000 in 1990 dollars."

and it really put prices for truly healthy food in perspective for me.

another book i love is nourishign traditions by sally fallon.

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-23 12:58 am UTC (link)
Yes, yes! That's such a great point, and emphasizes Pollan's argument about much more we once spent / invested in our food.

I'm intrigued to know more about the Sally Fallon book. If you've the time and/or inclination, this is the perfect comm to type up a short review and link to the author's website. Reading more about sustainability / food issues is a great thing!

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[info]rainbow
2008-02-23 02:07 am UTC (link)
i LOVE the book. especially the fermenting section. i adore kimchi and sourkraut and pickled lemons and dills and pickled beets.

i did have raw milk for a while from a local couple, but unfortunately even though i'm not as allergic to it as to conventional, i'm still allergic enough to wheeze. but it tastes OH so much better, and the yougurt from it was dreamy. ditto kefir. (oh! i have 2+ year old "science experiment" in my icebox. i made some kefir with organic past'd milk and some with raw. after the last batches i made i covered the curds with the same kind of milk i'd used. in a few weeks the past'd stuff was VILE. but 2 years on the kefir curds look and smell like sharp cheese and look like a hunk of cheese floating in whey. very cool!)

i honestly don't have any idea how to write a real review (i have brain injury and cognitive problems and have problems taking any kinds of notes, too, since i can never figure out what is the "important part" to write down).

but here are links to a couple other ppls reviews:
http://www.bulkherbstore.com/NT
http://www.pamkilleen.com/nourishing_traditions_review.htm

amazon has a couple hundred reviews: http://www.amazon.com/Nourishing-Traditions-Sally-Fallon/dp/1887314156

http://www.westonaprice.org/bookreviews/nourishing_traditions.html

i dont know if she has a website of her own, but i think she might be on the board for the weston price folks.

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[info]lilyfarfalla
2008-02-23 12:56 am UTC (link)
This is such a fantastic idea! (And funny timing, since a friend and I were talking about this book and how we eat just last night.)

I'm very excited for recipe sharing and discussions!

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[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-23 12:59 am UTC (link)
Yay! I'm so glad! First discussion is slated for tomorrow - I have an article about the top five things to buy organically if you're on a tight budget. Should be a good place from which to talk about how to live sustainably on very little money at all!

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[info]sobelle
2008-02-23 06:19 am UTC (link)
sounds very promising...

I've been working on adding a lot of exercise to my good eating habits (and also eating less) in order to lose some more weight to out-distance my border line diabetes...

that may become harder to do as my Great Grandfather was the first diagnosed diabetic in our family... so it's annoyingly genetic...

but I intend to fight the good fight with good food and some interesting additions (herbal) that I would love to share...

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[info]nimnod
2008-02-23 09:27 am UTC (link)
I had really bad fibromyalgia about 5 years ago, to the point where I was in too much pain to put on a jacket or lift a cup. After a number of years of pain I started consulting an acupuncturist, and with his help I'm about 90% normal again. The relevant bit is that a huge part of that process was changing the way I ate, and that he said basically what you're saying above: eat lots and lots of fruit and veggies, small amounts of meat if you're going to have it, and the sort of things you could make on a farm if you had one. Thus, although butter has more fat than sunflower oil, its much less refined, and much less full of unnatural chemicals - better a little bit of butter to fry your onions than triple refined, bleached and deodorised oils which claim to be good for your heart. It's so true; I now look forward to Saturday mornings when i go to the local farmer's market for farm-made yoghurt and cheese, eggs and carrots and bread, from small local families who set up little tables and chat when they see you.

I'm bit scared to post things though, in case someone yells at me because one of the ingredients contains X that I didn't know about which is baaad. ;)

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Re:Pollanesque
[info]angels21k
2008-02-23 08:27 pm UTC (link)
I am so pleased to see such a site - a common sense, eco & people friendly one too. I've never heard of Pollan before but I am fascinated by what you have written so will attack Amazon ASAP. Have heard of & trust Paul Chek with his idea of Metabolic Typing along with the notion that our GI tract hasn't caught up evolutionary-wise so we do need the unprocessed hunter/gatherer dietary input.
A tip - never let yourself go over 4 hours without food otherwise your body goes into starvation mode & then what you eat is stored as fat.
Another tip - never eat anything which would be liquid at room temperature.
Yet another (sorry) you can grow almost any veggies in containers or cherry tomatoes in hanging baskets.

Thank you for the site.

A
PS Am PC illiterate so please imagine the icon I would have had John, Rodney and chocolate! All the impossibles. :(

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[info]inocciduous
2008-02-23 09:07 pm UTC (link)
What a nifty idea! I'd love to eat better and more green (greener?) but I have no idea how to go about it -- this seems like a great way to start! :)

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Mod request
[info]nimnod
2008-02-24 11:53 am UTC (link)
Can we have a "region: southern africa" tag pls? Or *anywhere* in africa? =)

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Re: Mod request
[info]sheafrotherdon
2008-02-24 02:55 pm UTC (link)
You bet! *scurries off to make* :D

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Re: Mod request
[info]nimnod
2008-02-24 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Thanks =)

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[info]merryish
2008-02-25 01:18 am UTC (link)
VERY cool. I just joined. I've been thinking about this for a while - and, since I'm moving to Boston this spring, I've been researching CSA's and farmer's markets over there. One of the problems I have is that I had a very "traditional" American upbringing - latchkey kid, lived out of boxes and soup cans till I went to college, where I lived on cafeteria food, pizza, and ramen. I have no idea what anything really *tastes* like, you know? Or how to make anything that doesn't come out of a box. I'm starting from the very bottom, and really glad this comm showed up on my flist today!

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[info]rassoula
2008-02-25 10:46 pm UTC (link)
Sounds great! I live next door to my sister and her family and we are making conscious efforts to be greener and especially eat real food! Hoping this will give us some new ideas - at the moment it's mostly trying to eliminate processed stuff, and making meals that take time and effort to prepare instead of 3 mins in the microwave!

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Motivation
[info]angels21k
2008-02-26 09:29 pm UTC (link)
Just bought organic seed potatoes, onions, shallots all for containers and packets of seeds of cauliflowers. broccoli and beets. Am all ready - just waiting for Spring so I can get planting..Also, has anyone got recipes for quinoa and buckwheat? The ones I tried are yuk!

Thank you
A

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Finale
[info]angels21k
2008-03-11 09:08 pm UTC (link)
Anyone here? Or, like me, are we all still under the influence of the finale?

A

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