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[Sep. 26th, 2006|11:21 am] |
Hi everyone, new member here. I saw Phantom for the first time last week when I was visiting New York. It was awesome! Had to find a community here to join ;)
Loved the chandelier part in the beginning, my friend warned me right beforehand but I still jumped lol.
How many of you thought Phantom was a complete asshole? |
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[Mar. 20th, 2006|01:09 am] |
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A little ramble about the dynamics of Erik/Christine and Raoul/Christine, copied from my personal journal. I don't think it's coherent enough to be called an essay or a theory, but there's no longwinded_phantom_meta community, so I'm just pimping it here. Comments, criticsm, arguments, etc. welcome.
( Twisted every way, what answer can I give? ) |
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[Feb. 25th, 2006|08:03 pm] |
I'm new here, so greetings to all.
I just started my researches, but didn't get far... I'm reading Leroux and Kay parallel at the moment, so sorry when I mix up facts.
Wondered about a few things:
Does anyone know details about Don Juan in connection to Erik? I think there is a reference in Susan Kay's novel, but I'm not shure how to interpret the whole aspect... Okay, they both wear masks (well, have to confess that I didn't read the Don Juan novels yet, just saw the movie with Johnny Depp :)...) but is there something in the figure of Don Juan that makes Erik write an opera? (Is this from Leroux or just ALW's invention?)
About the question if there was a real ghost/Erik... Just a thought, no opinion:
For Erik is a genius in music, I wonder if he'd like to stay in the cellar of an opera-house, which is famous for it's bad acoustic... Therefore it's used for ballet only, today.
Okay, I know it would have been difficult for him to move just to the next theatre, but I don't think that someone who is so deeply in love with music could bear this mistake.
So there is a little mistake in Kay's novel... When he really was involved in the planning/building of the opera house (and was great at architecture, too), he would have made sure that the sound is great- well, you'll say that it's author's right to change the facts and I think Kay did a great job in general, but that was an aspect, that made me think about it.
sorry for my english- I'm no native speaker |
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| Something Special for the PoTO Fans on my Flist |
[Dec. 31st, 2005|09:47 am] |
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Not all of of us can make it to Broadway to see the record-breaker performance of "Phantom," but we can order the playbill: http://www.playbillstore.com/phofop7pecop.html. I received the notification in my e-mail this morning.
X-posted to several places from my personal LJ. |
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[Nov. 11th, 2005|10:08 am] |
The one where Raoul falls into the water and the grid comes down on him.
The whole scene is vaguely incriminating Giry. She leads Raoul towards Erik's lair but then says "This is as far as I dare go." Perhaps she KNOWS the trap is there. And maybe even she's hoping Raoul will be foiled by it because it seems all along that she's been assisting Erik in his pursuit of Christine.
Food for thought. |
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[Oct. 19th, 2005|01:37 pm] |
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Hello. Newbie. ::waves::
One of my favourite past times with my best friend is debating Phantom. It'll be interesting to see what our conversations turn into with multiple input.
If Erik were alive today, do you think he would have corrective surgery on his face? Why or why not?
Sorry if this was already discussed. |
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[Oct. 9th, 2005|01:07 pm] |
Just something I've been pondering.
Back in the days of the Paris Opera House, they didn't have speakers/amplifiers/microphones etc.
How on earth did the entire crowd hear the singers? |
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[Sep. 16th, 2005|10:22 pm] |
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some thoughts on archetypal / close critical approaches to the Erik/Christine/Raoul love triangle.
comes from too much AP English. (on the other hand, you can never have enough Phantom.)
sorry if the language seems pretentiously articulate (or not at all articulate), been reading lots of older literature for school lately...
( archetypes! )
( close-critical analysis! )
your opinions are excellent =D
xposted some places. |
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[Sep. 12th, 2005|03:00 pm] |
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I'm afraid I've been thinking...a dangerous pastime, I know.
ALW/movieverse thought: Aside from the fact that Erik was crazy about her, it really wouldn't have made sense for Christine to play the contessa in Il Muto. Maybe Erik has logic problems?
The character was pretty well-fit for Carlotta, at least physically. Christine was young enough that, in any real opera setting, she would have been playing boys (I think that would be mezzo-soprano, but I don't know much at all about opera, so correct me if I'm wrong). I mean, I know the managers wanted to stop Carlotta's bitch-fit, but automatically throwing Christine into a silent role seems rather illogical.
But then, there is very little in The Phantom of the Opera that really makes perfect sense, no matter what version you're dealing with.
¿Pensamientos? |
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[Sep. 8th, 2005|09:32 pm] |
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I have The Essential Phantom of the Opera, which, as most of you probably know, is a much more accurate and detalied translation of the original novel than the version that is most commonly sold, and that the majority of us have.
Anyway... I was rereading it last night and I noticed a part that, for some reason, I had overlooked before. It's at the end of the chapter Apollo's Lyre.
The common version goes like this:
"You are frightened...but do you love me? If Erik were good-looking, would you love me, Christine?"
She rose in her turn, put her two trembling arms round the young man's neck and said:
"Oh, my betrothed of a day, if I did not love you, I would not give you my lips! Take them, for the first time and the last."
The Essential POTO goes like this:
"You're afraid. But do you love me? If Erik were handsome, would you love me, Christine?"
"Unhappy man! Why do you tempt destiny? Why do you ask me about things that I hide deep in my conscience the way I would hide a sin."
She got to her feet and trembling, put her lovely arms around the young man, saying "Oh, my fiance of a single day, if I did not love you, I would not give you my lips. For the first and last time, take them."
Aha! Look at that sentence! Why do you tempt destiny? Why do you ask me about things that I hide deep in my conscience the way I would hide a sin. So she does have feelings for Erik other than horror and pity! I mean, it was "between the lines" throughout the entire book, but there is actual proof. ^_^
And, another thought - what do you think Christine means when she says "For the first and last time, take them." The last time? I've thought about it for a while, but can't think of a good reason, except that inwardly, maybe she thought Erik would take her for good... *ponders* |
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| Inquiring minds want to know... |
[Sep. 6th, 2005|04:36 pm] |
Hola! New here, but prone to theorizing and mental wanderings, especially within the realm of The Phantom of the Opera. I've never seen the stage show (uncultured town + exorbitant ticket prices), but I've read Leroux a few times and I own the 2004 movie. I am a Raoul fangirl in training *dodges rotten fruit* I know he's a bit of a nosy, whiny prat sometimes, certainly not anybody's "knight in shining armor", and really not all that dreadfully important to the story, but I'd still hit that. Haha, just kidding. But someone needs to defend our lovesick vicomte around here, no?
Anyhoo, onto the theorizing.
1. How would you picture Leroux's Christine? Like, in terms of any celebrities or anything. I'm not terribly imaginitive, but I kind of see Mischa Barton...plus about 20 pounds. I mean, think about it: I'm assuming that until the gala where she played Margarita, Christine was playing boys; she probably was thin and boyish-looking. And we know she was blonde. Anyone want to continue (or derail) this train of thought?
2. Has anybody ever thought about Sorelli, the prima ballerina? I mean, she really wasn't important either, but have you ever been curious about maybe where she came from, what she was like (besides superstitious), how she came to "know" the Comte de Chagny, or anything like that? I've read one or two fanfics dealing with her, but they were all kind of sucky. It's just something that's always sort of been scratching at the back of my mind.
3. Why does the Phandom hate Raoul? I know he's not nearly as badass as Erik (few literary men are, except maybe Mr. Darcy, but that's a totally different story), but why is there such animosity towards him? Is it because he ended up with Christine, or because he shot a cat (>_< bad Raoulie), or what? I know there are some intelligent arguments out there besides "OMG KiLL teh f0p!!111oneeleven". You can do it. Come on.
Whew. That's all for now, but I'm sure I'll have more soon.
♥ Christine |
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[Aug. 26th, 2005|05:29 pm] |
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Has anyone else thought of the significance in Christine calling Erik "guide and guardian" and then, in All I Ask of You, transferring that to Raoul as she says "you'll guard me and you'll guide me"? Just makes me ponder. :) I think it sort of shows how young and innocent she really is, and how she's looking for a "father figure", or at least someone to protect her. |
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[Aug. 18th, 2005|07:30 am] |
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Hey, being that this is a " phantom theory " community, have you all ever heard the theories of the existence of a REAL Christine and that Erik might have been related to Raoul and Phillipe? Now before you scream and stomp up and down on me, because I was floored at the thought too. Well I was checking out this site:
this is the one about a possible real Christine:
http://www.phantomoftheopera.info/history4.htm
And this is the bit about an "Eric" (not Erik) de Changy
http://www.phantomoftheopera.info/history2.htm
There's also "evidence" of Carlotta!
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[Aug. 2nd, 2005|04:41 pm] |
Hello
:D I'm Melissa. I'm 16 and of course in love with the Phantom of the Opera. I haven't read the book yet but I plan too. When I was 12 my grandma took me to see the opera at Fox Theatre in Detroit. I loved it but didn't quite understand it all. My grandma explained it to me though and we bought tapes that contained the whole opera. Me and my sister own the new movie. We watch it all the time and so do some of my friends! It's great! Just thought I'd introduce myself. :) Feel free to comment.
<3
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[Jul. 8th, 2005|12:20 am] |
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Hey all I just joined a few days ago and I'm a fellow Phantom obsessee. I read the Leroux novel after I saw and fell in love with the '04 movie. It's got some crazy parts in it, like the disappearance of Christine's stockings, and (have any of you noticed?) how Erik kind of knocks her head against this huge tassel after she faints during "Music of the Night," and the terrible but hilarious "Point of No Return" dancers. I still adore that movie and watch it waaay too much, which is probably where I got my crazy theory from. It doesn't make much sense when put in context with the information provided in Leroux's novel, but from the way Madame Giry acts towards the Phantom during the movie, and the overall vibe of her character, and the incredible and undeniable sexiness that is Gerard Butler's Phantom, I was wondering if anyone else thought it might be plausible that Meg was the lovechild of Erik and Madame Giry. They never mention Madame Giry's husband or Meg's father during the movie, and I think that Madame Giry was casting some longing glances at Erik during the film. This might not apply at all to the stage version or the book but I thought it was interesting anyway! Any thoughts? |
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[Jul. 6th, 2005|12:07 pm] |
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This is a question for everyone, but I'm specifically hoping that vilia64 will comment (because you said you've sought out all forms of the phantom)
What is the BEST version of Phantom?
The Book, The stage production, ANY of the, like, 12 movies that have been made....
And WHY?
If you could put what the characters are like and any other details that appeal to you for those of us who haven't experienced that particular form of Phantom, That would be great.
Thanks! |
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[Jun. 28th, 2005|11:18 am] |
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Okay. Help me out here. I feel positively silly about this- I humbly ask the question:
"Was The Phantom of the Opera a true story?"
Now, I've heard bits and pieces here and there that it might or might not be, and even if it was true, that there are all kinds of details that are VERY different from the book, movies and musical. I fell in love with the ALW show first and pursued the movies (don't get me started on the flawed 2004 flick...there's already a rant in my journal about it...) and while I still call myself a fan, I am just now sitting down to Leroux's book for the first time. Please give me any and all information you have- I love this story, and I can't imagine ever getting tired of it! |
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[Jun. 24th, 2005|11:30 am] |
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Ok, I must admit that I fell for the movie first, and have never seen the stageplay (although it's on the top of my list). PoTO is the go-to movie for me and my best friend. Sleepover? Phantom. Little extra time just sitting around with nothing to do? Phantom. Here are some things we've noticed:
1 Point of no return: Yeah. Pretty hott. "I've already imagined our bodies entwining defenseless and silent" "How long should we two wait before we're one" yeah. You know what I mean. Well, in this scene, when Christine's sleeves fall down, ("fall down") Does it look to anyone else as if they're pulled by strings? And, What is with the black-clothed flamenco dancers? Did anyone else notice an excess of cape-swishing (by the way, the sexiest motion known to woman). And The burning question: DOES THE MIDGET KNOW SOMETHING?
2 The directing for most of the sung scenes was CRAP. When there is supposed to be a huge buildup (i.e. "Let your song [soul?] take you where you long to BE!" "Every hope and every prayer rests on you now") There is NOTHING. I mean that Raoul/Christine scene I just refered to : hug. COME ON NOW!!! And "Music of the Night" That entire scene is so BORING. The singing is awesome, but the direction? eh.
3 Just in general (movie, stage, not book though) Why does Erik show her the wax Christine? That just screams "CRAZY!" Don't get me wrong. I loved Erik SO MUCH. I just think that the wax figure of christine is CREEPY. I think it takes away from his character. It makes him more stalker and less unrequoited lover.
Anyway, Let me know what your thoughts are.
Thanks kids!
Less Than Three |
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| The Ghost's Lady |
[Jun. 21st, 2005|07:03 pm] |
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An entry or two back, I posted a question about how Madame Giry told the managers that the ghost "sometimes brings a lady" to the Box 5. Well, I thought about it for a while and I actually wrote a short fanfic on it. Hope you like. :)
The Ghost's Lady |
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| Discussion. |
[Jun. 20th, 2005|01:18 am] |
Discussion Topic #1:
Andrew Lloyd Webber "Phantom" vs. Ken Hill "Phantom"
( Intro )
When you really think about it.. ALW and Ken Hill's Phantoms are.. ENTIRELY different phantoms, and ALW includes an entirely SPECTRUM of different Phantoms in and of itself.
So tell me what you think.
Doesn't need to be "true" to Erik himself from his 'roots', but who do you all think gives the best depiction and feel of The Phantom of the Opera? Ken Hill's or ALW's? The overall character, not particular actors, but bring in certain actors to prove points.
I'm just curious as to what people other than myself think.
Also feel free to bring in other Phantom musicals, if you want...
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Discussion Topic #2:
Would it have been more beneficial for Raoul to keep his hand at the level of his eyes or his hand on the railing of the staircase? Discuss! |
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