tema ([info]tema) wrote in [info]optimus_project,
@ 2008-01-28 02:35:00
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Patents and Keyboard: a Little History
Patent issues needs a bit of clarification. Most people believe that patent is a license that gives one right to sue anyone using the patented idea. That's wrong. Ideas cannot be patented. Anyone can create a keyboard with displays - question is, what the technological realization will be and what shape it will take.

In 1977, when I was two, Ken Knowlton invented a system for superimposing images over fingers on keys using a TV-screen, a glass and a mirror.



You may find discription of a display keyboard in IBM's 1978 paper: Jones, "Programmable Keytop Employing Electrochromic Display", IBM Technical Disclosure Bulletin, vol. 21, No. 4, Sep. 1978, pp. 1671-1672.

See also USPTO patents granted every couple of years:
4,078,257 (filed 1976)
4,897,651 (filed 1986)
5,818,361 (filed 1996)
7,301,532 (filed 2004)
20080001787 (filed 2007, aka Apple's patent)

And so on. Almost in any industrialized country's patent office you may find similar inventions. There are two or three of them in Russia as well. We've tried to contact inventors of one of the the Russian patents (to use their patent number on labels) only to discover 'greedy soviet engineer syndrome' that makes people ask for one million dollars downpayment and a royalty for the rest of their life.

Finally we've settled with our own patent procedure that will protect our engineering solution.

Idea of putting displays into keys appeared to be common in heavy machinery industry, as well as in hi-end telephone stations.



I'm paranoid enough not to publish projects whose main attraction is just an idea. So when in 2005 I've decided to finally put Optimus concept renders online I really believed I'm the first to come up with the idea. Pretty soon I've learned about all the patents and prior art, but it was too late: I've decided to make it real (and it is real now).


theBoard
When we were in the middle of the production, I've learned about the German inventor named Reinhard Engstler who was inspired by the IBM paper and designed the LCD-keys keyboard in 1984. Keyboard was on sale under different no-name brands. For example, last summer one Russian from Germany sent me a model branded simply 'theBoard' as a gift. Here is is side by side with Optimus Maximus:



It turned out that this keyboard (under the 'HOHE Electronics' and 'K-E-T TheBoard' brands) was on sale even in USSR. Here's an ad from the 'Business contact' magazine (#3, 1990).



In a month after Optimus concept was revealed there appeared two other companies with no background claiming they were doing the same stuff - display keyboards.

iKeyInfinity
On of them was called iKeyTypePro. Guy behind it, named Bruce Grand, while being based in Moscow (what a coincidence!) was accusing me of using his idea (see iKeyTypePro LCD-based multi-language keyboard, Aug 2005).

Their website showed two images: a very bad render and a very bad prototype.




Their website, ikeyinfinity.com is no more. Company who claimed they have everything ready for production while I had only nice renders, has disappeared.


United Keys
Another company that got noticed by the media within weeks after Optimus concept was published is United Keys.

United Keys never showed any piece of circuitry, only Photoshopped images. Initially it was the '205pro' keyboard:


Then they abandoned this image for a more glossy one:


Experienced keyboard users may note similarity with the Microsoft Internet Keyboard:


You may also want to read a very interesting piece of gossip published yesterday on Medisonscam: United Keys & Valdi's imaginary keyboard. What got my attention is a quote from United Keys' Valdi Ivancic who is accusing me of using his idea and a 'two million Swedish crowns scam' (read original in Swedish).


So, what's the morale of this story?
Just as LCD Keys company website is making a point (I believe these to be the words of the German engineer Reinhard Engstler): "it proved to be more difficult to come up workable switch design that integrated an LCD in a key top and make it work. Many tried and failed."

We have absolutely unique device with full-color displays - already mass produced. Every other claim should at least show the process (as we did), or the result.

Patent numbers don't mean almost anything, because the easiest part of making a display keyboard is to bypass any existing patent.



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(Anonymous)
2008-11-22 02:46 am UTC (link)
ох щи--

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 01:23 am UTC (link)
I don't understand that. If ideas can not be patented, why the patent offices issue them? I saw that patent by the dagestan guy. There was no particular implementation - just a general idea. There must be something else here.

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[info]livestant
2008-01-29 10:35 am UTC (link)
You can't patent something abstract. Imagine, you invented something that can fly and you want to patent this idea. But there are plains, helicopters, zeppelins and many other flying machines. They all can fly, but this is matter what way.

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[info]athensoh
2008-01-28 02:26 am UTC (link)
Very often the issue of patents comes to a simple question: which of the parties involved will have the guts (and resources) to enforce its, allegedly, original ideas and intellectual property. Neither United Keys nor iKeyPro chose to pursue the fight, but who knows what Apple would do should they decide to incorporate this idea into their next flagship iProduct.

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 03:57 am UTC (link)
Apple patent is all about apparatus with keys... buy your optimus taktus has no key... they are images!

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[info]spamchang
2008-01-28 03:58 am UTC (link)
i think the fact that there are so many companies out there with the same idea means that it's a common idea...

great engineering work on your part to bring your product to life!

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 04:02 am UTC (link)
What if you have products that was released before any patent was issued? Does it has patent immunity?

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 08:05 pm UTC (link)
Simply said - yes.
You can not make a patent on somthing which is already shown to the public. This include principles itself and products which are based on this principles (Like "producing light" and the bulb as a product.
If you can invent something completly new, which was never seen before, you can make a patent on it. If I can give you a sample, i wold patent it first ;-)

That is why tema say: "Ideas cannot be patented"

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 04:03 am UTC (link)
What if you have product that was released before any patent was issued? Does it has patent immunity?

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Thx
(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 05:06 am UTC (link)
Very interesting story and pics, thanks a lot.

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[info]xydoi4ert
2008-01-28 05:32 pm UTC (link)
VERY F..ING INTERESTING and GOOD LUCK ANYWAY!

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From medisonscam.info
(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 06:11 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the link to my blog, despite the miss-spelling of Medisonscam ;)

Really good article, I'm going to write about it in a post. Really nice discovery of the use of Microsoft's keyboard-design.

Best regards and good luck with your uber-keyboard.

Tommy
www.medisonscam.info

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Re: From medisonscam.info
(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 06:13 pm UTC (link)
spelling fixed

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-28 07:26 pm UTC (link)
That masturbation is fair. Your team showed that difficult doesn´t mean impossible.

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[info]michaniker
2008-01-28 08:19 pm UTC (link)
thx for the article tema.... very interesting!
keep up with OptimusKeyboards....

I love my MiniThree!!!

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[info]tommasta
2008-01-29 01:15 am UTC (link)
And this is why I love you guys. I look forward to owning your keyboard in the very near future. Thanks for the excellent read!

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[info]alrauun
2008-01-29 09:45 am UTC (link)
lol, valdi ivancic is the same man who's selling a 150$ laptop that doesn't exist (medison celebrity)! It has been announced one year ago but ppl who bought it are still waiting for something that veeeery probably will never be shipped to their homes.

So we are speaking about the man who runs a company with a logo like this:


is pretty funny that he's actually calling you a scammer! :)

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-29 03:52 pm UTC (link)
why Optimus Tactus image comes with Optimus Maximus caption on studio home page (http://www.artlebedev.com/)?

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(Anonymous)
2008-01-29 06:59 pm UTC (link)
+1
an unacceptable mistake for a designer

tema, do you hear us?

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Once again, Optimus > Decepticons
(Anonymous)
2008-01-29 04:52 pm UTC (link)
pwned.

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Re: Once again, Optimus > Decepticons
(Anonymous)
2008-01-30 10:56 pm UTC (link)
+1.
Har-fucking-har!

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[info]replicantlizard
2008-01-29 11:35 pm UTC (link)
What you have said here was an interesting read for me, because some years ago, like you, I started to design a keyboard similar to the optimus, as I had found that micro displays were available and would become smaller too (and thus could be incorporated into keytops) - and I had dreamed for many years of having a keyboard that could be reconfigurable.

However, after searching for and reading the existing patents on similar keytop display designs and general reconfigurable keyboard ideas, I shelved the idea not believing it was worth the possible patent infringement hassle - and of course my lack of resources - to develope the idea. Then a friend forwarded me a link to the optimus project in development - I was happy that someone was developing the idea (but did wonder at patent infringment)!

Of course, software and the control of how you manage the keyboard's functionality is a big part of differentiating a product (say the optimus) to any other prior art.

I hope to eventually own an optimus keyboard and look forward to watching its development, and hope that it does well. There are so many cool possibilities with the software and a keyboard like the optimus :D

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[info]mochalochka
2008-03-23 12:53 pm UTC (link)
looks like an excuse, doesn't it?

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