crompton for heisman ([info]kerrence) wrote in [info]ontd_political,
@ 2009-07-10 02:32:00
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Jeb Bush interview
(CNN) – Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush told an interviewer that he could not say whether or not President Barack Obama is a socialist, and that the president would not have been elected if he had been honest with Americans about his agenda.

Bush would not answer the question of whether he agreed with the assessment of some congressional Republicans that the president is a socialist. "I don't know. Define socialism for me," he told Esquire magazine. "It's a word… I believe he's a collectivist. He believes that through collective action, through government, you can solve more problems." He added that he believed the word "socialism" was a pejorative, and "didn't help" the GOP make its case.


The brother of former President George W. Bush and son of former President George H.W. Bush dismissed the idea that his party's policies were unpopular with most Americans. "I don't think there's any seismic shift. The Democrats have won on tactics," he said. "Barack Obama would not have gotten elected if he'd let us in on his secret plan prior to the election," he said, pointing to the president's economic agenda and energy proposals.

"….He made it appear like McCain was going to raise taxes, which was unfair, but there was no response back. When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

He downplayed the president's approval ratings, which remain above average. "First of all, who cares?" he said.

"His popularity is no greater – in fact it's less – than what my brother's was during the beginning of his tenure, in a time of unbelievable friction, if you think about it, because of the 2000 election. His approval ratings were higher than Barack Obama's during his first one hundred days."

According to the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polls, Obama's approval ratings have averaged several points higher than President George W. Bush's were at the same point in their presidencies.

Told that Joe the Plumber had briefed congressional Republicans on Gaza, Bush launched into a defense of intellectualism. "I think it's okay to have a deeper understanding of things. I think it's okay to talk in three-syllable words. The world we're living in is incredibly complex," he told the magazine. "And simplifying things to the point where you're misunderstanding where we are as a nation isn't going to help people overcome their fears or give them hope that they can achieve great things. I don't get inspired by shameless populism."

Bush called conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh "a hugely important force for the conservative movement," but added that he was "more interested in elected officials, how they behave."

"I feel happy for Rush to get all this attention. He's one part of a mosaic of people and thought in the conservative movement," he said. "I don't think you can discount his importance. At the same time, he's not an elected official, so I think he has a different responsibility."

Asked by Esquire to name the leaders of the Republican Party, Bush included former House Speaker Newt Gingrich and Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, but did not mention 2012 GOP frontrunners Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin.

He discounted the idea he might run for president one day. "Frankly I don't wake up each day assuming I'm the solution to life's problems" — and said he was not upset by observers who say his last name would keep him out of the Oval Office: "It doesn't bother me. I feel blessed. I have a blessed life. I don't feel like life has been unfair at all. I got to be governor of a fantastic state. I got to do what I said I was going to do."

source + pretty good Esquire article


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[info]turkeybeer
2009-07-10 07:52 am UTC (link)
What fantasy world do these people live in? I feel like it's one where Bush did no wrong and it's Obama's fault that we're in TRILLIONS of dollar of debt.

SIDE NOTE: My mom was listening to Christian talk radio today and they were rambling on about how Obama thinks he's God and how he doesn't do anything in the interest of the American people, unlike Bush, who was selfless and a true American. I had to turn it off because I was going to bash the radio in.

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[info]ixscarexmyself
2009-07-10 01:18 pm UTC (link)
I feel you on this. I have to see these deluded people all the time and want to smash them.

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[info]krystle_ab
2009-07-10 07:55 am UTC (link)
good article. I don't know much about this Bush, but I don't come off totally hating the guy like I do whenever I read anything that his brother says.

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[info]evilgmbethy
2009-07-10 07:57 am UTC (link)
if you'd lived in Florida while he was governor you probably would hate him.

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[info]dayumsam
2009-07-10 08:00 am UTC (link)
THIS

also, he didn't mind big government when they sent down the National Guard after a few particularly strong hurricanes.

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[info]evilgmbethy
2009-07-10 08:02 am UTC (link)
He also wanted to privatize the Department of Children and Families. My mom worked for HRS/DCF for like 20 years and when Jeb became governor funding was slashed and investigations became more difficult to conduct and she pretty much had to quit her job because it became so impossible. So much fail.

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[info]anythingbutgrey
2009-07-10 09:04 am UTC (link)
He added that he believed the word "socialism" was a pejorative, and "didn't help" the GOP make its case.


apparently the smarter brother. unfortunately, that doesn't mean much.

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[info]irisira03
2009-07-10 11:33 am UTC (link)
"….He made it appear like McCain was going to raise taxes, which was unfair, but there was no response back. When there was an ideological component, it was generally centrist or even center-right. Had he said what he was going to do as a candidate, (Obama) would have lost."

Uh, no. He won because people are sick of the war. He also won because, while YOUR FAMILY was in the White House, the economy was in the shitter. The last time the Dems were in the White House, the economy went from being in the shitter to being robust.

He did say one intelligent thing, though:
Bush would not answer the question of whether he agreed with the assessment of some congressional Republicans that the president is a socialist. "I don't know. Define socialism for me," he told Esquire magazine. "It's a word… I believe he's a collectivist. He believes that through collective action, through government, you can solve more problems." He added that he believed the word "socialism" was a pejorative, and "didn't help" the GOP make its case.

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[info]rev_mom
2009-07-10 12:21 pm UTC (link)
What totally flummoxes me is that so many people think Bush did such a wonderful job...say what????

What makes people so blind that they would vote against their own self-interest and survival just to be on the "right side"? How does someone come to believe that what happened the last eight years was GOOD and the last six months BAD? Obama has only been in office SIX MONTHS. Georgie was still playing golf and spending weekends in Crawford....

No one said this was going to be easy or a quick fix. As bad as I am hurting, I have to give the current Pres and his admin the full four years before I start whining again. It wasn't going to get any better with McCain and Palin...(shudder).

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[info]bellichka
2009-07-10 01:02 pm UTC (link)
Agreed. I'll come back in 2012 and tell everybody what I think. Until then, I'm stfuing.

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[info]everythingonit
2009-07-10 12:18 pm UTC (link)
Oh Jeb... you just know bigger words don't you? You're not fooling anyone.

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[info]keeperofthekeys
2009-07-10 12:29 pm UTC (link)
Lol, what? This is not how I remember the attitudes pre-election at all. I'm pretty sure I didn't feel like McCain was going to raise taxes. In fact, I felt he was going to cut them too much. This people and their obsession with tax cuts, against any sort of reason regarding its impact on the government's revenue, just astounds me.

Seriously, of all things, economic and energy proposals are not something from Obama that has surprised me in the least. He was pretty damn explicit during the campaign season.

What sort of non-reality do these people live in, seriously?

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[info]bellichka
2009-07-10 01:03 pm UTC (link)
I love the dickholes who want to cut taxes and raise defense/military spending. I'm like..... say what?

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UH OKAY THERE JEB
[info]zestylime
2009-07-10 12:45 pm UTC (link)

"….He made it appear like McCain was going to raise taxes, which was unfair, but there was no response back."

WHAT? no. McCain was the one going on and on about TAXCUTSTAXCUTSTAXCUTS.

He downplayed the president's approval ratings, which remain above average. "First of all, who cares?" he said.

Dems up/Repubs down = POLL SUCK WHATEVER.
Dems Down/Repubs up = gloat

According to the most recent CNN/Opinion Research Corporation polls, Obama's approval ratings have averaged several points higher than President George W. Bush's were at the same point in their presidencies.


Told that Joe the Plumber had briefed congressional Republicans on Gaza, Bush launched into a defense of intellectualism.
first of all, WHAT.
second, okay Jeb, you can have a cookie. but just a little one.

"I feel happy for Rush to get all this attention. He's one part of a mosaic of people and thought in the conservative movement," he said. "I don't think you can discount his importance. At the same time, he's not an elected official, so I think he has a different responsibility."

APOLOGY IN 3...2....1.....


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[info]militsa
2009-07-10 01:43 pm UTC (link)
"I think it's okay to have a deeper understanding of things. I think it's okay to talk in three-syllable words. The world we're living in is incredibly complex," he told the magazine.

I for one am gobsmacked that such a statement even needs to be made, but the fact that this even came up (and needs a Bush to say it) really shows the state our society was in under Bush...and thank goodness we were spared McCain/Palin. It's okay to understand things? Really? Gosh, thanks!!

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[info]mindrtist
2009-07-10 08:58 pm UTC (link)
You betcha

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[info]dandycat
2009-07-10 03:25 pm UTC (link)
Off topic: She's presenting like a mandrill!

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[info]mindrtist
2009-07-10 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Told that Joe the Plumber had briefed congressional Republicans on Gaza

Wut.

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[info]saphreanth
2009-07-11 12:07 am UTC (link)
Yeah, that was kind of glossed over...I was a bit like, wait, what was that again?

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