hideto's slave ([info]hidetoslave) wrote in [info]ongakusociety,
@ 2005-04-22 14:19:00
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Definitions.
I just had to post here as I have read a certain 'claim' somewhere (about being gothic because one can "carry" the gothic clothes) which ticked off my brain cells and got me into thinking. Im not starting a fight see. Im just stating my own opinion. If anyone takes the time to read then I am grateful.

What defines a goth?

In its real essence, there really is no true unifying stereotype- that all goths are angsty and depressed, all are fascinated with vampiric culture, that all goths wear all things black and leather and listen to goth music.

Goth is more than just the label and the clothes. In fact it has existed even before the label of "goth" and "gothic" came into existence. It started in Western Europe and North America in the seventies as a rebellion of the middle class youth from the tightening social structure.

Literature has its own share in terms of influencing this culture. Most claim about reading Vampire stories and literature BUT even Poe, the ancient Greek Aeschylus and William Shakespeare contributed to the birth of Gothic lit.

Bands also had influence with this culture. Their music became a deviation from the norm. But it was not even a movement, according to the bands who had the most influence with the gothic scene - it only became one when it was called one. For them it was an expression of their life and culture. Then media came into the scene and the BBC coined the term "gothic". Since then the term was identified with gothic bands, their image and their form of dark expression, when in fact it was and still is much more than this.

One does not become goth just because he/she can "carry" the clothes, or listen to dark music. Being goth is an existence, a belief, a subculture, a way of life. It rests within the belief that there is beauty in darkness and recognizing it as integral within each and everyone of us.

It has been driven greatly by philosophy and artistry but has now been replaced by attitude and dress code. Sadly, the latter has become the popular belief.

I am not in the position to point out faux goths or define who or what the true goths are. In fact I am not in the position to do so too. But I do have a plead. Support the local goth music industry. At least there's something good coming out from you other than making these claims.

The local goth industry has a wide variety of music tastes, from progressive rock to new wave. And then maybe you'll get to meet the wonderful people who started the subculture here (we like to call them the oldies). Most have heard from Late Isabel but there are lots of other bands worth hearing to, such as Dominion, Funeral Frost, Names are for Tombstones and Sea of Rains.

And then again, maybe you will be able to look past the dark make up, dark clothes, and the vampiric attitude. And realize what it really is. Just maybe.




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[info]pedz
2005-04-22 12:25 am UTC (link)
oi buddy namin yang sea of rains ah! nakajam namin yan sa isang gig dati, dalawang beses na. kung lokal band na sea of rains ung tinutukoy nyo. ahihihihi.

bat ba gothic ang topic. diba nagsimula yan sa panahon ng mga kulto ekek. saka ung mga panahon ng crusaders at mga anti-jews(not anti christ ha). siguro kasi ung iba, iniisip, basta black, gothic na! ahahahahaha!

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[info]hidetoslave
2005-04-22 07:12 pm UTC (link)
yup yan ung SEa of Rains na lokal band.. have watched them before sa mga events at na feature na rin sila sa NU. May mga common friends kami nung vocalist (si Ramon) pero hindi kami talaga close ni Ramon.. hehehe... ibang banda kasi yung mga ka close ko yung mga matatanda loL! ^^

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[info]pedz
2005-04-22 11:32 pm UTC (link)
oi kilala mo rin ung ramon, dalawa ung ramon eh, ung isa ung bokalista at organizer at ung isa ay ung gitarista namin dati tropa din nila. ahehehe, asteeg pala e. minsan nood kau sa gods of metal! langya, nung napadpad ako doon, para akong nasa vampire community. tapos ang suot ko muka akong hiphop na jologs, ampness! muka akong tanga ahahaha! asteeg dun, dami mga gothic at 99.9% ng mga tao nakablack at may mga black na lipstick at makeup! katakotz, kulto!

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[info]magnetic_rose
2005-04-22 06:46 am UTC (link)
tang ina, i'd have more to say if i were really into the scene, but i know this much: this is a great piece -- analytical and well-researched. i hope the psudo-goths you are referring to in the article read this and realize the error of their ways, or at least try harder in "becoming goth". rock on! \o/

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[info]hidetoslave
2005-04-22 08:07 pm UTC (link)
thanks! :) la lang na asar lang talaga ako sa comment na yun.. ang babaw eh... -_-""

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[info]kakyou024
2005-04-22 11:14 am UTC (link)
yar,,,recently marami na akong nakikitang *ehem* mali ang pananaw sa being ng 'goth'.

there are goths na hindi dark manamit at masayahin kahit papaano pero yung pagiisip nila..may pagka-gothic..er...complicated i-explain. eniwei, ikaw, do you still consider these people as gothic? nagkakaroon na ng *small* twists ang meaning ng goth ngaun...~__~""

and...LATE ISABEL! XD

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[info]hidetoslave
2005-04-22 08:18 pm UTC (link)
you know late isabel?? :)

imho, you dont hhave to wear black and be depressed to be goth.. i have friends in the gothic community here and although most of them wear black, hindi generalization yun. And maiiingay yung mga yun... not the mopey faced goths na stereotyped..

I do believe it is a way of thinking and a way of life.. mali yung mga stereotypes ngaun. Just because i wear black im goth.. gyah.. minsan nakakainis.

Its not about the clothes or attitude. Yun lang. :)

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[info]h_matsumoto
2005-04-23 08:08 am UTC (link)
faux goths

gyah! dami kong nakikitang ganyan sa mall... =.=
ewan, tingin ko sa kanila mga nakasuot ng trash bags.. they all look the same! >.<

btw, nice topic! :P

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[info]terachi_hikaru
2005-04-25 08:21 pm UTC (link)
Woohoo! Nice one! faux goths </> lolz, korak hazel ang dami nyan. Parang kilala ko ata yang tinutukoy mo, if i recall correctly, ayaw nila sa isat isa before, sabi nya galit sya sa feeling goth, tapos ngayon kasama na sya sa banwagon nila. Labooooo

I do like to dress in black, "look gothic" , but I don't want to be called one, because I know that I'm not and I don't have the right to be one. :P

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Opinion...
[info]gunmetalrebirth
2005-05-11 01:42 pm UTC (link)
Being goth's a mindstate IMO. Heck, I know I ain't goth although 90% of my wardrobe's black. XD

Meron akong ilang kilala that claims they're goth, pero kala mo may sugar sa dugo. Ah, ewan ko ba. I'm confused.

Even gothic music... what defines Goth music? This is nuts... I don't even see Evanescence as Gothic music... it's just rock with classical swaths to it. ^^

As for The Late Isabel, it's cute. She's demented, not goth. Heck, I'm demented too. Maybe that's why I appreciate her. XD

Plugging lang po... Darkside Jazz rules. :P Try Etro Anime... hindi sila Goth. Hehehe.

-Raven

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